Originally posted by amnesia
The villains and heroes are all unlikable. The only one i like is the little cat.
You don't like Erza?
I can see not liking Natsu (fairly standard shounen type. I find him fun) or Lucy or Gray, but I thought everyone loved Erza!
And you aren't supposed to like the villains, though the quality of opponents does go up as time goes on. The Phantom Lord group I thought was great.
It's a your-milage-may-vary thing, but I think Fairy Tail's one of the better shounen fight series out right now.
Originally posted by Q99
You don't like Erza?I can see not liking Natsu (fairly standard shounen type. I find him fun) or Lucy or Gray, but I thought everyone loved Erza!
And you aren't supposed to like the villains, though the quality of opponents does go up as time goes on. The Phantom Lord group I thought was great.
It's a your-milage-may-vary thing, but I think Fairy Tail's one of the better shounen fight series out right now.
I can sum all of fairy tail up right now.
Gerald, Darkness.
Originally posted by Q99Almost all the charcters are clones of the Straw Hats, Shichibukai and the Akatsuki.
You don't like Erza?I can see not liking Natsu (fairly standard shounen type. I find him fun) or Lucy or Gray, but I thought everyone loved Erza!
And you aren't supposed to like the villains, though the quality of opponents does go up as time goes on. The Phantom Lord group I thought was great.
It's a your-milage-may-vary thing, but I think Fairy Tail's one of the better shounen fight series out right now.
Natsu is Luffy and Ace merged together, Erza is Zoro and Robin, Grey is Piccolo and Renji, LOL Lucy is obvious.
Theirs a reason Fairy Tail fan art and hentai is rare it's a second One Piece. And on one wants copy Japans number one shounen series
Originally posted by killermover
Almost all the charcters are clones of the Straw Hats, Shichibukai and the Akatsuki.Natsu is Luffy and Ace merged together, Erza is Zoro and Robin, Grey is Piccolo and Renji, LOL Lucy is obvious.
What? Some of those character combinations are nothing alike 🙂 If you combine two radically different previous characters (Zoro+Robin, Piccolo+Renji), you don't really have much of a clone.
The rest of the ones you mention are the basic shounen stereotypes that pretty much every series has, same criticism applies to OP ("Oh, Luffy is just Goku and Nami is Bulma!". To an extent that's true, but they are also their own character). Even with this, they do have their own personalities, Natsu and Luffy are the same type, but different characters.
Theirs a reason Fairy Tail fan art and hentai is rare it's a second One Piece. And on one wants copy Japans number one shounen series
Because OP's been going for 13 years and Fairy Tail is only on four? And every shounen series draws from prior ones.
Also, both he and Oda trained under the same artist when developing their styles too, so the influences are similar. They aren't the same or anything, but they do come from (literally) the same art schools.
I'm not going to claim Fairy Tail is incredibly radical or anything, no, it's pretty standard shounen stuff and it does draw from OP. I'm simply claiming it's good.
Fairy Tail is shit, theres a shit ton of other manga that beat it, especially Soul Eater and Beelazeebub.
Mashima admitted he draws inspiration from One Piece, so your arguement is moot. It's no coicidence he ripped off character traits from famous shounen heroes.
Natsu especially is basically Luffy down to a tee with fire powers and peaking at chicks which Naruto did before.
Erza is basically Zoro, even uses swords like Zoro and even trains and sleeps like Zoro. You can't tell me these aren't coicidences.
Luffy however despite being inspired from SOn Goku is a completely original character who's more simple minded and yet passionate and flawed than Goku is. And instead of training, he fights and gains experience by making stuff up on the fly.
Fairy Tail is just to plagurizing to be something interesting to the media because it's to much like One Piece and doesn't really stand out of it's own class.
It's like that Bleach copycat, who claims his work is orginal yet rips off Kubo.
Originally posted by killermover
Mashima admitted he draws inspiration from One Piece, so your arguement is moot.
Yes? I agree with that.
Drawing inspiration isn't the same as ripping off, mind you. Again, they actually were taught by the same artists, and every artist is inspired by someone. It doesn't make Fairy Tail not a good series.
It's no coicidence he ripped off character traits from famous shounen heroes.
It's not really ripping off any more than many shounen manga. In case you haven't noticed, this is not the most inventive genre, and One Piece is incredibly stereotypical as well.
I like them both because they both have a lot of the standard characters and do them in a very fun way. Not quite the same as each other, but both definitely fun.
Natsu especially is basically Luffy down to a tee with fire powers and peaking at chicks which Naruto did before.
So Natsu has character traits that have to be assembled from several other characters?
That's not much of an argument.
I'm not saying he's not a stereotype, he's the biggest stereotype in FT, but you know what? So is Luffy. Heck, Shounen Jump practically contracts it's writers to make characters in that mold.
Saying he's a stereotype does not on it's own make it a bad story.
Gotta add that Natsu's not nearly as innocent as Luffy either. He's an older character. Similar in battle, but different socially.
Erza is basically Zoro, even uses swords like Zoro and even trains and sleeps like Zoro. You can't tell me these aren't coicidences.
I can tell you that the kind of training Zoro does is incredibly stereotypical (also? I don't think Erza does a lot of his insane weight training and such). And Zoro sleeps in pajamas, occasionally barging into his friends rooms? News to me.
Also in how they fight, even with both using multiple swords, is actually pretty darn different. Erza's is in large part based on using a variety of specialist armors to use different special abilities like increased attack, controlling swords in mid-air, or similar.
That mode-shifting via armors is more like... hm, I guess it's sorta like Chopper's different specialist forms. Though using a completely different means so still quite different in practice.
Gray's style is different than ice-users in OP, often using his ice to create objects, which he then controls (like hammer and anvils), unlike Aokiji.
And I don't think anyone in OP fights like Lucy, with the summoning.
Luffy however despite being inspired from SOn Goku is a completely original character who's more simple minded and yet passionate and flawed than Goku is. And instead of training, he fights and gains experience by making stuff up on the fly.
Rather, he trains off-screen.
Luffy's no more 'completely original' than Natsu is. That is, both are not just carbon copies of who came before, but Luffy is clearly very solidly in the Goku mold, innocent yet battle loving and all that. Natsu, he's neither Luffy nor Goku in personality and reacts different than either would.
Actually, come to think of it, Natsu's past is kinda like Zoro's. A childhood girl friend who died... though the parental abandonment thing is a separate thing too, that's more like... hm, I guess it's kinda similar to Ichigo and his mom? Though not quite the same, Ignel's not dead...
Fairy Tail is just to plagurizing to be something interesting to the media because it's to much like One Piece and doesn't really stand out of it's own class.
Nope.
Is it quite similar to OP? In a lot of ways, yes. In other ways, no. It doesn't follow the same story arc formula and it has a different mix of characters and chemistry. The fighting style of most of the characters is a fair bit different, and so on.
Is it a simple rip-off? No.
Is it good? Yes. Funnily enough, one thing can be similar to another, but still have differences and be enjoyable. Heck, that it's got similarities to OP is why I recommended it here in the first place, it's a darn fun substitute if you can't get a OP fix.
It's like that Bleach copycat, who claims his work is orginal yet rips off Kubo.
Except that person actually traced Bleach, while Mashima is a solid mangaka in his own right who developed his skills on a prior manga, Rave Master, that he spent 7 years on, so you can see them develop as they did literally on the page if you want.
It's more like Satan 666/O-Parts Hunter. You know, the manga done by Masashi Kishimoto's brother who everyone accused of ripping off Naruto until Masashi said: "No, people! We had the same influences, but he is not ripping Naruto off, it's just artistic similarity."
Oh, something occurs to me: Did Kuma send the Strawhats to their respective destinations specifically because they'd be the best to make each stronger?
Franky to the technology island. Zoro to the swordsman's lair. Robin to a place about to be targeted by revolutionaries (who's plan to attack it he may have known about). Nami to a weather center. Sanji to an island of pro-revolution martial artists. Chopper to a place with good medicine. And the others just generic places to get stronger.
Though I'm not sure whether he specifically wanted Luffy to hook up with Boa so he could get to Impel Down and all.
Originally posted by Q99
Oh, something occurs to me: Did Kuma send the Strawhats to their respective destinations specifically because they'd be the best to make each stronger?Franky to the technology island. Zoro to the swordsman's lair. Robin to a place about to be targeted by revolutionaries (who's plan to attack it he may have known about). Nami to a weather center. Sanji to an island of pro-revolution martial artists. Chopper to a place with good medicine. And the others just generic places to get stronger.
Though I'm not sure whether he specifically wanted Luffy to hook up with Boa so he could get to Impel Down and all.
Yes, it is strongly implied that Kuma did that to protect Luffy...
Originally posted by Bentley
Luffy ain't innocent, he's just optimistic and self-confident.
Yea, I guess innocence isn't quite the right word.. he takes stuff at face value and does a lot of foolish stuff just to try it out. Naive maybe? Still not quite right...
Hm, I'd say Natsu's got the same self-confidence, but isn't as optimistic or possessing that naive/innocent/whatever factor above.