Originally posted by Q99The thing is, Mashima makes his characters too similar and his plot to anti climatic, it's taking popular things from other manga and copy pasting them into the plot and characterization. Mashima doesn't even try to seperate the main character from Luffy. Nor Gildarz from Shanks.
Yes? I agree with that.Drawing inspiration isn't the same as ripping off, mind you. Again, they actually were taught by the same artists, and every artist is inspired by someone. It doesn't make Fairy Tail not a good series.
It's not really ripping off any more than many shounen manga. In case you haven't noticed, this is not the most inventive genre, and One Piece is incredibly stereotypical as well.Not really, One Piece is original in it's execution of multiple main characters that focus on each Straw Hate member and fleshes their personalities out away from the main protagonist and even blends in the adventure genre with all the Straw Hats venturing the Grand Line looking for One Piece. Fairy Tail Rips off The One Piece Plot and meshes generic staple shounen formulas to drag the story and have the main character fight bad guys while his friends get pwned, also paying rent and finding fathers isn't nearly as versitile as finding treasure or becoming Hokage.
I like them both because they both have a lot of the standard characters and do them in a very fun way. Not quite the same as each other, but both definitely fun.Well both manga's are both of the same basis. But both manga's are both virutally identical including Design, Drawing wise and Character wise. One Piece is superior, People acknowledge Fairy Tail as One Piece lite and terrible.
So Natsu has character traits that have to be assembled from several other characters?He's to similar to Luffy(Almost down to the Smile and Design) and not a staple shounen protagonist that has a new flavor to him. He's nothing like Black * Star or Oga. Natsu is luffy with Ace's powers. Even has intangibilty like Ace.
That's not much of an argument.Natsu is a rip off of Luffy and Luffy's whole character. Not just typical shounen heroes in general. He doesn't stand out in the slightest from your typical shounen hero, all his traits are traits Luffy does or already did. Which is why Lucy is never gonna get any. Mashima basically copied pieces of One Piece and mix them with his own plot to make it seem as deep. All it's doing it making itself look like poor clone.I'm not saying he's not a stereotype, he's the biggest stereotype in FT, but you know what? So is Luffy. Heck, Shounen Jump practically contracts it's writers to make characters in that mold.
Saying he's a stereotype does not on it's own make it a bad story.Natsu and Luffy both share the same nature. Goofy, Childish, Moronic, Straight Forward and Blunt. They both eat alot, and they both smile alot. Their resolve always comes before their friends. They never think of the consequences and they always wing it for the sake of protecting Nakama/Crew. Their social skills with their friends are like the most indentical, their either playing with them or assholes to them because their to stupid to understand human emotions.Gotta add that Natsu's not nearly as innocent as Luffy either. He's an older character. Similar in battle, but different socially.
I can tell you that the kind of training Zoro does is incredibly stereotypical (also? I don't think Erza does a lot of his insane weight training and such). And Zoro sleeps in pajamas, occasionally barging into his friends rooms? News to me.[quote]Zoro and Erza have a tolerance for hard work and honor. Don't have the patience to put up with their wacky friends and are both supposedly the strong stock badass older mature friends of the main leads and cast. Notice how both characters always look bored or ****ing stern because they hate not wanting a challenge. ALot of manga does this but Zoro and Erza's are the only ones I know who fit this profile almost down to a tee and it's similar to each other. Even when it tries not to be.So she uses armor? It doesn't changed the fact, she and zoro are the berserker blade masters of their group. It doesn't change the fact, they have the same motivations to help the main character, the same look, the same personality.[QUOTE]Also in how they fight, even with both using multiple swords, is actually pretty darn different. Erza's is in large part based on using a variety of specialist armors to use different special abilities like increased attack, controlling swords in mid-air, or similar.
That mode-shifting via armors is more like... hm, I guess it's sorta like Chopper's different specialist forms. Though using a completely different means so still quite different in practice.So you admit it copies aspects of One Piece? Who else does Rumble Ball techniques in manga like Fairy Tail. Mashima is just giving the main cast different powers that One Piece has already done.
Gray's style is different than ice-users in OP, often using his ice to create objects, which he then controls (like hammer and anvils), unlike Aokiji.Aokiji can manipulate and shape ice to. He did so when ICE TIME and made a ice sword.
And I don't think anyone in OP fights like Lucy, with the summoning.And just like Nami, Bulma and Orihime, she lacks pysical combat prowess and fights with hax. Summoning is boring BTW.
Rather, he trains off-screen.Luffy is every once of original than Natsu. Like Fire powers and Shounen fire hax hasn't been done before.(sarcasm) Luffy? Rubber and Raw Strength shaped into different attacks is original IMOLuffy's no more 'completely original' than Natsu is.
. That is, both are not just carbon copies of who came before, but Luffy is clearly very solidly in the Goku mold, innocent yet battle loving and all that. Natsu, he's neither Luffy nor Goku in personality and reacts different than either would.You must be kidding. Natsu is Luffy with Parachute pants and a freaking vest which is just like Luffy's when opened. Also wears sandles. Luffy is an original an original concept that tributes Son Goku. Natsu is a Luffy recolor. And LOL Natsu not being like Goku or Luffy.
Actually, come to think of it, Natsu's past is kinda like Zoro's. A childhood girl friend who died... though the parental abandonment thing is a separate thing too, that's more like... hm, I guess it's kinda similar to Ichigo and his mom? Though not quite the same, Ignel's not dead...At this point, Natsu's not even a main character. He's just a shounen part of a series that rips and copies more staples from manga to date. Natsu has no depth, and he's basically one demensional and bland as a protagonist he needs Lucy to balance his entire character of consistant annoying Nakama Punches and Pay Rent motto. His entire character is just Find father, Fight, Eat, Sleep and Be Strong.
He's also the guy keeping this series turning into a hentai. I mean I admit one thing, Mashima knows how to do the women right in this manga. 💃
Nope.It's a lot similar to One Piece because it's design, characters and basis are just like Oda's only the plot is so bland and unappealing. It might as well be One Piece GT. Thats what it is, it's One Piece 40 years into the future. With more or less fan service to keep your porn folder up.Is it quite similar to OP? In a lot of ways, yes. In other ways, no. It doesn't follow the same story arc formula and it has a different mix of characters and chemistry. The fighting style of most of the characters is a fair bit different, and so on.
Is it a simple rip-off? Yes.Fixed.
Is it good? Yes. Funnily enough, one thing can be similar to another, but still have differences and be enjoyable. Heck, that it's got similarities to OP is why I recommended it here in the first place, it's a darn fun substitute if you can't get a OP fix.It's not even in the top ten manga in japan. If you want a fix similar to One Piece but different. Go to Naruto or Gintama or Soul Eater. Fairy Tail is like reading the same ass thing only it's not fun or interesting at all. Only thing thats worthy is the **** and butts.
Except that person actually traced Bleach, while Mashima is a solid mangaka in his own right who developed his skills on a prior manga, Rave Master, that he spent 7 years on, so you can see them develop as they did literally on the page if you want.Rave Master wasn't that good either. Also Mashia did trace Luffy to Natsu in some form considering their battle poses are virtually identically and their smirks and designs in emotion are the same. Plus some arcs had the same building design as One Pieces Alabasta and Water 7 arcs.
It's more like Satan 666/O-Parts Hunter. You know, the manga done by Masashi Kishimoto's brother who everyone accused of ripping off Naruto until Masashi said: "No, people! We had the same influences, but he is not ripping Naruto off, it's just artistic similarity."Actually Seshi is a better mangaka than Kishimoto IMO. Masashi is just a shell of his former self and rushing the plot just to end it no really putting the manga into perspective and gradually smoothing things on. In the spur of the moment he changed the dynamics of characters and made them into generic shounen staples that had a poor and contridictive build up.
Seshi did his manga right. And Dio is a way more believeable main character than Naruto.
I.... just realized I'm arguing with the person who thinks Sasuke was tacked on to the Naruto plot.
To sum up: Of the main four characters, two don't have a counterpart in OP in all, and the setting/situation is different. Some of their powers (Erza, Lucy) also have no counterpart in OP or most other shows, and even the regular powers (Gray's ice) is used in non-generic ways.
One cool thing that I like is the main hero (Natsu) isn't even the strongest of the regular characters, Erza is, it's a lot more power balanced. Fairy Tail's got a good gender balance too, with both female and male characters allowed to kick ass.
The art is similar to early OP, but that's not a bad thing because that's a darn good stylistic influence. The reasons for this similarity have gone over.
If non-killermover people have questions, I'd be happy to answer them. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but I like it, and I'm pretty surprised by the dislike here. Most shounen fight readers I know enjoy it.
I think Q99 is seeing things thats not there, espeically about the part Natsu isn't the strongest. Natsu beat Gerad who beat Erza, and also is hax enough to eat fire and bust a contry in Dragon Force Mode.
Soul Eater is everything Fairy Tail is not, a good story, the characters are remarkable, the plot is slow and gradual and The main character is a female yet the most human of the cast.
Vinland Saga's a seinen series which gives it a nice maturity edge over the shounen fight ones. Pretty different from OP 🙂
Originally posted by killermover
I think Q99 is seeing things thats not there, espeically about the part Natsu isn't the strongest. Natsu beat Gerad who beat Erza, and also is hax enough to eat fire and bust a contry in Dragon Force Mode.
Oh, Erza's most definitely stronger. It's just Natsu can be amped by outside sources sometimes (note Gerard was wrecking him totally and absolutely until the building got involved).
When they go head to head, though? Erza wins. Erza's also curbstomped people who were beating Natsu like Aria.
Erza commented once that Natsu may surpass her at some point.
Soul Eater's good too (though I like FT better than what I've read of it- admittedly only the first 3 volumes, but only one of the three mains, Maka, starts out very interesting, and the art style, while cool in it's stylization, is a lot less detailed than FT or OP. I'm pretty sure it'll get better as I go on in most if not all of those respects, but the opening is fairly slow), but that doesn't make Fairy Tail not good.... wait, why am I arguing with you? You get stuck into the most bizarre assertions about series sometimes.
I wonder what the turnover rate on Shichibukai is... Boa's been one for 11 years. Most probably joined after they were long-experienced, with maybe a few being 'supernova' types like Boa or Ace who got a rep for their speed of growth and youth.
Ace seems to have been offered a job (so, no more than 3 years ago), but I don't know if they had an opening then, or if they were thinking of bumping off someone weaker like Moria.
Originally posted by menokokoro
you finished it! did you read it or watch it, cuz that fight is epic in the animeEdit: It=water 7
Reading it, drawings are less epic but still pretty awesome. Think I'm going to watch the fabled whitebeard arc though.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Vinand Saga is ****ing awesome.
👆 It deserves to be an anime. But it's pretty obscure so i doubt it will happen in the near future.