The Downfall of America?

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
We were discussing spanking in another thread and this topic came to mind. If a person steps back and looks at when the general decline of morality or whatever you want to call it came about, I am speaking about the guns at school, the kids beating up parents, killing each other, the people in our own country blowing up federal buildings etc etc. All of this began it seems to be, after the decade of the 50's. Now Im not saying that this stuff NEVER happened before but it was definitely NOT as prevalent as it is today. And I dont buy the argument that there wasnt as much technology to report either peeps. It just didnt occur to this degree.
SO, to that end, what caused this? I myself have to wonder if it pretty much began back in the 60's. That era was definitely the beginning of many things. The women's movement, the free love, the free flowing drugs, the general lack of respect for anything remotely connected with the government or authority. I could go on here but Id like to hear what others think.

You're only focusing on all of the bad stuff.

The good that goes on counter balances the bad.

Originally posted by ash007
Well i do belive that society is not right but i wouldn't say it was just the US i would say the UK have the same problem and so do alot of other countries.

But then again lil how would you want society to act???

Everyone has that problem. I wasnt specifficly refering to USA.

How I want society to act? Well absolutely differently to how its acting now.

If i told you, Ash imagine yourself as having no extra money, no computer of your own. Imagine having no different clothes to everyone else, what would your identity be?

We are a product of a consumer society - you are what you own. We dont have our own dreams and hopes, we dream and hope the dreams and hopes which society as set for us - which is have tons of money, have big car, have big house, be loved by everyone, be beautiful because apperantly thats all that matters

Can you imagine a society where your face, your money status, your sexual orientation or your gender an issue? I dont think so, becuse we are all brought up thinking in a box that what we have now and how the world is now - is how it was ment to be.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Isnt the greatest power in the world to stop people from complaining? To stop them looking for an alternative and just accept the roles they are given?

What? People WILL always complain about anything! Humans are hard to please. No power in the world could EVER make an entire society happy.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
No, you see THATS the problem. The problem is the fact that you all think that society in which you live is how it should be and that there are no other ways. WRONG! Its not right, its not how it should be!

You all think? so you are including me? Uh-uh! I do acknowledge the problems that our politics and our society face. I'm not gonna go insane trying to fix the problems much less go around blamming everything else. I take care of my problems first. Not those whiners out there! They fix their problems and still complain.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Isnt that a lovely way to just shut everyone up and let them roll with it, work for the money all their lives, trying to acheave some kinda standard for other people and not complain - because - its how it was supposed to be. I dont think so.

Oh no! I'm not telling them to shut up. Eventually they'll recognise that their complaining isn't taking them anywhere. Eventually they'll realise that the only way to fix something is by taking the lead and really DO something about the problem. All I'm doing is pointing out that these ppl complain more and do nothing about the problem.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I wish to met one, just one person (apart from my super sexy sociology lecturer) who will say ''hey, the society today is not right, we are controled and we are just going along with it, and if we all are to just think for a second we could possibly enter a new kind of socialisation where this kind of shit is not a problem.''

No society is right and there never was and NEVER will be. No matter what society you might want to go with. Whether is Socialism or Communism or Democratic new problems will arise. It is unfortunate that humans can never agree on something. There is always something wrong all the time. Whiners don't do any help and finger pointers (if you want to label me as one) don't do much help either.

in response to meat

Really? Funny, I grew up in the 60's and I dont recall and school shootings? I dont recall the general lack of decency people have towards each other that we see today. I myself never even got to experience what it is I am talking about so how can you even begin to make an assumption like that?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
We dont have our own dreams and hopes, we dream and hope the dreams and hopes which society as set for us - which is have tons of money, have big car, have big house, be loved by everyone, be beautiful because apperantly thats all that matters

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
in response to meat

Really? Funny, I grew up in the 60's and I dont recall and school shootings? I dont recall the general lack of decency people have towards each other that we see today. I myself never even got to experience what it is I am talking about so how can you even begin to make an assumption like that?

N***ER! To the back of the bus!

maybe your getting senile!

Tex, there is much more bad today then there was then.

AND the rest of you. This is NOT ABOUT SOCIETY per se ok?? It's about what happened to the US the way it was in the 40's and 50's when society WASNT all screwed up. WHAT CAUSED THAT???> I dont care to have a discussion of society today blah blah blah........Im sick to death of discussing that.

Originally posted by Storm
Those are not the dreams and hopes of everyone.

Raguardless - those we only the examples.

In reality, none of your hopes and dreams are real or your own - they are society set.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
N***ER! To the back of the bus!

bite me Link 😱

So, no one ever got murdered, or mugged in America before the 50's?

IN THE 1940'S... WORLD WAR 2! WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT WASN'T AS BAD BACK THEN!

Ok lil i undersand that but you have to tell us what is the other choice??

I mean i agree that we are a product of a consumer society. But i rather have that then be run by a dictaership.

I mean there is no way to change this.

Oh lord QUIT generalizing. In the 40's and 50's you could go out and walk down your damned street without the fear of getting mugged. Many people didnt even lock their doors at night. Maybe I shouldnt have brought this topic up. I think some of you are too young to understand what I am talking about.

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
bite me Link 😱

you were talking about a general lack of deceny towards others.

Maybe I'm wrong, but weren't blacks referred to as "the N word" and treated like crap through the 60s?

You can do the same in the town I live in. You think you could walk through the slums of New York in the 40's and not get mugged?

Every town is different.

Meat, give it up man you are too young to understand.

Oh sorry Link I see your point I should have rephrased that. And the time period I am speaking is Pre 60's.

Indeed but in the 50s there was not threat of terriosm on our door steps.

And what about the World Wars i am reallly sure it was more dangerious in thoese times then it is today.

Also were Blacks allowed to vote in the 40s 50s??

Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Oh lord QUIT generalizing. In the 40's and 50's you could go out and walk down your damned street without the fear of getting mugged. Many people didnt even lock their doors at night. Maybe I shouldnt have brought this topic up. I think some of you are too young to understand what I am talking about.

There is certain truth in that. WWII was over and soldiers were returning home. New jobs were open and the depression of the late 30's had vanish. Unfortunally there was the red scare and from there on things change. Three wars erupted. First one, was the cold war. Second, Korea, and Thirdly, Vietnam. America was stable from the period of the late 40's to the early 60's.