Originally posted by WindDancer
No society is right and there never was and NEVER will be. No matter what society you might want to go with. Whether is Socialism or Communism or Democratic new problems will arise. It is unfortunate that humans can never agree on something. There is always something wrong all the time. Whiners don't do any help and finger pointers (if you want to label me as one) don't do much help either.
I do not believe that, and I reject the idea that this is the best we can do. Its not. The only reason we think we cannot do better, is because we are brought up believing we cannot do better.
Do not get me wrong, I am not a functionalist and although I agree with some stuff Durkheim says, i certainly do not believe our society runs smoothly - no way no how.
But I believe, strongly that there can be a socialisation unlike this one! There has to be, and just because most people are closed minded to understand a complete change, doesnt mean its impossible.
And no, i dont want to label you because i am least fond of labeling people - (unless we're talking about crime but thats a different debate)
Argh you are missing my point entirely. NEVER is life perfect. NEVER! Yes racism was rampant back then. Altho I think it actually got worse towrds the end of those 2 decades. BUT on the whole, we had far less crime, far less friggen serial killings, no school shootings that I remember reading about, you see where I am going with this?
Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Oh lord QUIT generalizing. In the 40's and 50's you could go out and walk down your damned street without the fear of getting mugged. Many people didnt even lock their doors at night.
Its funny that you bring that up because I read an article saying that you're just as safe leaving your door unlocked today as you were 40 years ago.
Difference is no one does, because you hear about all the bad stuff on TV and the radio and you're scared shitless.
The truth is crime and murder and rape and kidnappings were happening in the 40s and 50s. (Organised Crime)
I think that as populations grow and live in more densely populated ares, crime will naturally increase. And news of those crimes spread faster and wider. People start getting suspicious of each other.
You're just as safe as you were in the 50s.
I think.
Even though it may not seem that way to you.
The 50s were America's golden age.
We put it on a pedestal, pristine and crisp.
Although in reality it was nothing but.
Originally posted by Tex
Its funny that you bring that up because I read an article saying that you're just as safe leaving your door unlocked today as you were 40 years ago.Difference is no one does, because you hear about all the bad stuff on TV and the radio and you're scared shitless.
The truth is crime and murder and rape and kidnappings were happening in the 40s and 50s. (Organised Crime)
I think that as populations grow and live in more densely populated ares, crime will naturally increase. And news of those crimes spread faster and wider. People start getting suspicious of each other.
You're just as safe as you were in the 50s.
I think.
Even though it may not seem that way to you.The 50s were America's golden age.
We put it on a pedestal, pristine and crisp.
Although in reality it was nothing but.
Now Tex, I dont agree with that. The reason people lock their doors is so their stuff doesnt get ripped off or they dont get murdeed in their sleep. Im not saying that America is all bad. But I am saying that the American life in general is worse today than it ws then. Yes I know they didnt have half the technology we do, but really, is that even neccessary to have a fulfilling life? I just think that as a WHOLE Americans were much happeier back then.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I do not believe that, and I reject the idea that this is the best we can do. Its not. The only reason we think we cannot do better, is because we are brought up believing we cannot do better.Do not get me wrong, I am not a functionalist and although I agree with some stuff Durkheim says, i certainly do not believe our society runs smoothly - no way no how.
But I believe, strongly that there can be a socialisation unlike this one! There has to be, and just because most people are closed minded to understand a complete change, doesnt mean its impossible.And no, i dont want to label you because i am least fond of labeling people - (unless we're talking about crime but thats a different debate)
I'm more of a Comte thinker. I'm sure you seen Brazil's flag many times. Well, that flag has the greatest and best statement ever written in the history of humanity: "Ordem E Progresso" which translated means "Order and Progress". That's the key to a better society! That philosophy of establishing order and making progress in Any state is the key to a better humanity. The only problem is that it needs to be put in action NOT in words. So the way I see it is not all about ideology is about doing something for ourselves and make something happen. Are you following me on what I'm saying?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
JP, Tex is absolutely right.Your media controles you by your fear. It makes you believe that its worse outthere than it really is.
Last year, there was a young couple that was murdered in thier house. They lived in a small town, actually just a mile north of this little town. During the night, 2 idiots pulled off the interstate and basically buthered them and drove off into the night. That's not just media lil thats what this world has come down to. Im not saying that none of this happened back in the Golden era as Tex put it, Im just saying it happens way more often today and that I honestly feel bad for the children that have to grow up in this world. 🙁 🙁 And I wondered what brought about this change.