Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

Originally posted by jinzin
I still don't get why anyone thinks that wolverine's human when he can stagger hulk with anadamantium headbut, stand up to two namor shots, survive nukes, jump 35 feet in the air, back flip and front flip from one speed vehicle to the other and remain balanced, survive the sun, tag spidey all three times they've fought, catch characters that transcend light speed, tear through webbing, get hit in the spine by a stealth bomber and get up fighting, get dropped 11 stories and get up at a full sprint....the list goes on and on and on.......did anyone think that maybe just maybe those "handbooks" might be ummmmm wrong?

Remember we're arguing against selsective parts of the real world, we do NOT argue about comic books. because that is illogical in a comic book debate. 😉

😂

well at least when they concern spiderman...

Originally posted by Creshosk
Spiderman is dead, Daredevil is dead, Wolverine probably has downsyndrome and Cap'n america is pumped up full of steroids.

You THINK that you have a valid point by selectivly picking and chosing WHICH real world logic you're going to use.

Radioactivity in the REAL world causes cancer and death. But lets just discard THIS real world logic because it doesn't fit. Even though it foes against your case.

LOGICALLY using the real world to argue comic books is ILlogical.

Some but not all.. 😄

Originally posted by The MISTER
If you don't like any logic at all then tune in to Tiny Toons...If you can't come up with a logical explanation for a Spidey defeat (Though it may come at the cost of SOME brainwork) like many others have done, don't assume that a completely illogical one will work just as well... Comics aren't void of logic..some people on the other hand...

Some but not all.. 😄

And when I try to argue from their own logic people brush it off as crap writing because it uses comic book logic rather than real world logic.

it's not logic...that we're debating...it's the use of which types of logic....you guys are trying to apply real world logic to comic books that doesn't have relivence in the comic book world.....we're either to stick with the comics.....or we can use real world logic where parker gets sick from a spider bite and batman probably tumbles off of a rooftop somewhere.........

Originally posted by jinzin
I still don't get why anyone thinks that wolverine's human when he can stagger hulk with anadamantium headbut, stand up to two namor shots, survive nukes, jump 35 feet in the air, back flip and front flip from one speed vehicle to the other and remain balanced, survive the sun, tag spidey all three times they've fought, catch characters that transcend light speed, tear through webbing, get hit in the spine by a stealth bomber and get up fighting, get dropped 11 stories and get up at a full sprint....the list goes on and on and on.......did anyone think that maybe just maybe those "handbooks" might be ummmmm wrong?

it doesn't make sense.....but then again marvel doesn't make much sense.... how the hell was wolverine a functional member of the new avengers, while teaming up with the fantastic four, while being on the blue, gold, and red x teams, while being brainwashed by hydra and assasssinating his own teamates he was fighting with in the same month?

it doesn't make sense....that's why it's comics....

No one said anything about Wolvie's healing being negated. It's about the only thing that makes him a FU****G CHALLENGE.

Secondly I never said true real life but things do apply regardless.

They need oxygen
What comes up must come down
And if they didn't make references to real things, we would have no idea how strong they are.
I.E if Spidey could stop a train, fight with people like they're in slow motion, and sense attacks before they happen, we could classify him as pretty powerful.
This ain't Dragonball Z, everyone is not uber-strong. People in the comics die from natural causes all the time. Uncle Ben: BUllet, Gwen Stacy;Broken neck,upon numerous examples.
Bottom line: Brain Cells cannot repair themselves, wolvie can still suffocate or drown, bones break even in the comic book world.
And like I said earlier, SUPER STRONG PEOPLE CAN BE OVERPOWERED, SUPER FAST PEOPLE OVERWHELMED, SUPER SMART PEOPLE TRICKED, AND SUPER DURABLE PEOPLE KNOCKED THA FU** OUT!! Spidey can incapacitate wolvie,I NEVER SAID WITH ONE PUNCH,I said he doesn't have to touch skeleton. Obviously he could recover, but it would take precious time spidey would use to his advantage.
All this and i didn't even mention webs. 🤨 🪩

And another thing. I already agreed with JINZIN about crap writing.
EVERYONE KNOWS IT EXISTS BUT NO ONE CAN DO A THING ABOUT IT.
Its like pointing a finger and saying,"HE DID IT"

Originally posted by jinzin
it's not logic...that we're debating...it's the use of which types of logic....you guys are trying to apply real world logic to comic books that doesn't have relivence in the comic book world.....we're either to stick with the comics.....or we can use real world logic where parker gets sick from a spider bite and batman probably tumbles off of a rooftop somewhere.........

Originally posted by jinzin
it doesn't make sense.....but then again marvel doesn't make much sense.... how the hell was wolverine a functional member of the new avengers, while teaming up with the fantastic four, while being on the blue, gold, and red x teams, while being brainwashed by hydra and assasssinating his own teamates he was fighting with in the same month?

it doesn't make sense....that's why it's comics....

But shouldn't we try to make sense? We don't have an excuse for not making sense...We're not writing a story...We don't have to embellish anything... 😮‍💨

Amen to that.
We all have some good points, or else this wouldn't be 106 pages long.
We all have to agree on some basic, fundamental concepts...

Like SPIDEY WINS LOL ✅

see the thing is....you're trying to use real world logic where real world logic doesn't apply...and what happens when that starts to become a promblem (i.e. immediately) is we start getting into a semantic debate....I came here to debate comic book characters in a COMIC BOOK vs. forum....I don't know....it's just that there is no definitive spiderman, no definitive wolverine, no definitive captain america or daredevil...all we have to go by is feats....the reason why we spend so much time debating these things the reason why we love these characters is because we've come to know them, to understand them, through their "life experiences".....when someone skims through a couple graphic novels at the local book store, and looks up some "stats" about the character and think they know all there is to know about the character...it pisses me off.....really....like I said...this is a comic book versus forum that's what I'm here to debate...so lets do that....

I never said anything about using pure world logic, I am using comic logic when I say a superpowered person hitting a superpowered person in the stomach, it will usually knock the wind out of him.
I make my own comics to ya know and you need to have something as a reference, because in reality, comic heroes are simply what we want to be. Everything from the basic drawings to the situations, drama, and trauma have been derived from human life.
Besides Spidey and Caps are strategists, and who can count how many times that Spidey has used science to discover one's weakness and win, or caps would probably say to a team, HULK is too strong for you, don't trade hits with him.
You do need something to base this on, if Juggy powerpunches a human they go splat, if he punches a superhero theystill get hurt a lot.
That is all.

This has gone from who would win to a physics class.!!! 😂 😂 😂

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
This ain't Dragonball Z, everyone is not uber-strong.

lol.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I never said anything about using pure world logic, I am using comic logic when I say a superpowered person hitting a superpowered person in the stomach, it will usually knock the wind out of him.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
I make my own comics to ya know and you need to have something as a reference, because in reality, comic heroes are simply what we want to be.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Everything from the basic drawings to the situations, drama, and trauma have been derived from human life.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Besides Spidey and Caps are strategists, and who can count how many times that Spidey has used science to discover one's weakness and win, or caps would probably say to a team, HULK is too strong for you, don't trade hits with him.[/quote unless you know, the person could.

[QUOTE=3927349]Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
You do need something to base this on, if Juggy powerpunches a human they go splat,

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
if he punches a superhero theystill get hurt a lot.
That is all.

Originally posted by jinzin
when someone skims through a couple graphic novels at the local book store, and looks up some "stats" about the character and think they know all there is to know about the character...

Juggernaut is stronger than any of the x-men, physically invulnerable and has a helmet that shields his mind from psionic attacks? He must stomp all of the X-men in ALL of their encounters.

I mean the stats are overwhelmingly in his favor, there is nothing the X-Men could possibly do!

(except develop a stretgy to get the helmet off of him so that their psionics can beat him. Like they DO. . . )

exactly...