Originally posted by jinzin
ummmm he did........anyways....if daredevil can hit you at the precise time of your heart beat you will die.....he has the ability to do that......
yeah, and spiderman has the ability to shatter bones with one punch. Spiderman punching you would be like getting hit by a fast moving car. Spiderman is also more agile than DD
nothing that happens in cross over comics should be credible. batman spanked on spawn in a cross over comic, batman destroyed an entire brood of aliens twice. do you see what i mean?
"yeah, and spiderman has the ability to shatter bones with one punch. Spiderman punching you would be like getting hit by a fast moving car. Spiderman is also more agile than DD"
first off you're talking about company crossover which brings up more issues than the guest appearance books I brought to the table....secondly that took place in a spiderman comic...just so you know where the bias would have lied....and third we were not comparing the power of punches...you're going on a tangent...we were discussing whether or not he could be KOed by a peak human...obviously he can....he may have enhanced physiology, but he's still human....he still has weak points...daredevil knows where those weak points are and how to take advantage of them......he's well within range of Koing spidey using said means.....considering those blows were mentioned as "well placed" I think it's safe to assume that's exactly what he did...
well a cross over to me is a crossover what ever it consists of, they are always plagued with shitty writing and misplacing of abilities.
I diddnt know the debate was wheather or not DD has the ability to KO spidey. If Spiderman were to stand there as a dummy and let DD punch on him i am sure he could utilize pressure points to his liking, but would they even have an effect on spidey? DD can pin point a strike in between heartbeats, yeah i have heard that before, but could it be aplied to spidey. His entire metabolic structure is different from a normal humans? With spideys agility and webbing it would just be that much harder for DD to exploit spideys weaknesses.
"enough. Even with DD being one of marvels top martial artists, a human is Not going to knock Spiderman out from punching him. NEVER EVER"
see.....that was what we were debating....apparently you're wrong...no offense to you.....but you're wrong.....
now onto pressure points....yes they'll still work on spidey...spiderman has a hyped up anatomy but it still has basic human prinicipals.......the same nerves, joints, organs, etc etc.....so yeah DD can do the heartbeat thing....and if cap can take down namor with pressure point they shouldn't have trouble doing the same with spiderman....
(note for those who didn't understand that post: relax....I'm saying in a hypothetical situation if spiderman where to just stand there and take it would these moves work on him due to his enhanced physiology? my answer: yes)
Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Why not it only takes 3 pounds of pressure to break a bone, If spiderman's 10 times as durable that's only 30 pounds of pressure needed (not actually directed at you rages, just getting back at some guys earlier.)
Logically that is true, but in the world of comics logic has no bearing. Spiderman gets hit by cars, falls a 100 stories and is fine.
Originally posted by jinzin
i think all mercs is saying is it is well within the logic of comic books for the trio to pull it off.....
Absolutley. A wolverine kills a bear, Wolverine fights the Hulk (I don't agree with it but it's true.) I mean who would think a little fat guy related to the weasle could take a bear? Taking spiderman is completley within Wolverine's character, people always seem to forget that his first appearance was in a Hulk comic.
DD has fought Ultron, and survived. What the hell is Ultron doing in a DD comic! Do i like it, no. But did it illustrate DD's ingenuitly, ability/will to survive? Yes.
I shouldn't actually have to say anything about Cap, he kills Ulik for crap's sake, him and that sheild of his, There's nothing he can't handle (there's a very deep underlying metaphor there somewhere.)
How can these three guys, two of which have embarrassed Spidey, and one more who is right on the same level, actually lose to Spiderman?
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
yeah i was agreeing in my own way, and i was never trying to say that Spiderman could beat all three of these guys together. One on one would be hard enough. How would that look if a human broke SPidermans arm though? lol
If they wrote it well, which it is unlikely that they would, it would look just fine.
Here it is for kicks.
Spidey picks up the frail body of some poor guy he's been womping on, (maybe the punisher) he's confident now, pissed and trying to make a point. He goes to pick up the body, telling him he's not done yet grabbing Frank by the collar. Suddenly and devilishly fast, Frank Grasp on to Spidey's wrist with a death clutch, he kicks out spidey's feet (spider senses tingle but there's really no where to go) spidey easily breaks the fall, (spidey senses tingle in greater magnitude now) spidey springs to his feet, but it's too late, Frank has a full on armbar. Spidey could easily curl out of said position, but is unfamiliar with what Frank is even doing. He gets plenty of time to think about it (about a whole third of a second) but the damage has been done, Spidey's arm bends entirely the wrong way, broken and mangled.
yeah, but from what we know of Spiderman that would be totally unbelivable, and from what the comics has given us it would be totally unbelivable. I'm sure many people would swallow it, but i just couldnt accept that the punisher could apply enough pressure, because that would mean Spiderman would be dead about 200 issues ago.
The only problem I saw with my story is that Ground fighting/grappling is generally not accepted visually. I guess it just isn't as cool to see people hugging eachother on the floor as it is to see a full on slug fest.
Still it made sense to me, Spidey doens't know what an armbar is, his spider senses go off but what exactly should he do? It only takes a fraction of a second, and some proper technique (a child of say 10-12 years could probably break the arm of full grown adult in decent condition.) Leverage is far more important than strength in grappling. Many "stand up" martial arts use the same technique, just not as elaborate and unescapable. They rely more on the moment to make it happen. So I leave you with this. "Leverage."