Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

Originally posted by Creshosk
with his thiird arm? and while they just stand there and let themselves and each other be webbed up.

Cause we all know that the tripo are sucky fighters that would just stand there and let Spidey do out of character things, particularly when these things ALSO go against what Spidey CAN do.

He's a cold blooded killer that Spiderman is. 🙂

Miles?! Wow that spiderman must be really REALLY flippin strong, especially considering when he punches wolvie he only goes a few feet.

And it's this point that I'm considering just not responding to this fanboy anymore. -_-;;

First of all, it doesn't matter if Spidey does something out of character in this fight, point is: HE CAN USE ANY MEANS NECESSARY. Second of all, regardless of what DD, Cap, and Wolvie can do in hth combat, they cannot defend themselves against a Spidey speedblitz at it's absolute best. And at the start of the fight? The trio wouldn't know what hit them, especially so seeing as they have *no* time to prepare or strategize against a Spidey going all-out in every aspect of his abilities. They don't have the option of being completely prepared for any and everything in this fight. And that's what Spidey thrives on here.

Again: ANY MEANS NECESSARY, as for your third point.

If Spidey can lift/press 15-20 tons then he can most certainly throw a 300 lb man a couple miles. Do you actually think that the force applied to a pulled punch from Spidey that sends Wolvie flying a couple of feet is the same of that applied to an all-out Spidey throwing Wolvie? I hope not.

And as for the last point to your "oh-so-elaborate" argument, mockery only hurts your credibility. I myself could care less about your crap opinion about someone you don't even know.

Originally posted by StrawNilla
Spidey doesn't need a third arm to web up tthe lot of them, he can alter the width of the webbing, he could create a net of webbing to web up two, maybe three of them and end it like that *snap*. And who say's the trio will be standing around? Spidey can shoot webbing in mid-vertical leap anymore?

First of all, it doesn't matter if Spidey does something out of character in this fight, point is: HE CAN USE ANY MEANS NECESSARY. Second of all, regardless of what DD, Cap, and Wolvie can do in hth combat, they cannot defend themselves against a Spidey speedblitz at it's absolute best. And at the start of the fight? The trio wouldn't know what hit them, especially so seeing as they have *no* time to prepare or strategize against a Spidey going all-out in every aspect of his abilities. They don't have the option of being completely prepared for any and everything in this fight. And that's what Spidey thrives on here.

Again: ANY MEANS NECESSARY, as for your third point.

If Spidey can lift/press 15-20 tons then he can most certainly throw a 300 lb man a couple miles. Do you actually think that the force applied to a pulled punch from Spidey that sends Wolvie flying a couple of feet is the same of that applied to an all-out Spidey throwing Wolvie? I hope not.

And as for the last point to your "oh-so-elaborate" argument, mockery only hurts your credibility. I myself could care less about your crap opinion about someone you don't even know.

Yeah this person is definitly not worth responding to anymore. 😕 😬

Don't waste your time responding top my posts either, your responses will now simply be ignored.

"Second of all, regardless of what DD, Cap, and Wolvie can do in hth combat, they cannot defend themselves against a Spidey speedblitz at it's absolute best."

stick hand out.....extend claws....dead spidey....

Originally posted by jinzin
"Second of all, regardless of what DD, Cap, and Wolvie can do in hth combat, they cannot defend themselves against a Spidey speedblitz at it's absolute best."

stick hand out.....extend claws....dead spidey....

Jinzin, don't worry about Straw:

And as for the last point to your "oh-so-elaborate" argument, mockery only hurts your credibility. I myself could care less about your crap opinion about someone you don't even know.

They don't even know about the trio, so why should we care about their crap opinion?

they hardly know about spidey at that..... well....straw anyways...

Originally posted by jinzin
I agree one hit from spidey could and would incapacitate or possibly kill many.......just not these three....they don't fall into the category of an ordinary bank robber......i've already explained why a simple martial artists bones are comparible to living metal in some cases....but for comic book evidence...captain amreica's head was used as a battering ram that leveled an entire building after he was already fatigued and beaten from previous fighting and he was still barley concious...but spiderman is gonna KO him or kill him in one shot?......no, it ain't gonna happen....

Cap and DD are human, humans at the peak of human ability they may be, but humans all the same. They simply can't mentally ward off the force of an unpulled punch from Spidey. The force of something like that to their skull would implode their skull, plain and simple.

Cap's head being used as a battering ram is grade-A crap no matter which way you slice it. There are people here who argue the laws of physics against Spidey seeing as his origin is unrealistic, yet this is fine? NO. Not when you're uding real world physics applied to the character's physiology/abilties. It concerns me not whether or not something like this would happen in the comic book world, in a versus fight where logic does matter it just wouldn't happen, you can preach it's happening to me all you'd like, it's just not logic.

Completely disregarding the effect of an unpulled punch from Spidey to these three just because Spidey has to job to these three for no good reason other than to keep the fight interesting is disregard for what Spidey can do period.

Originally posted by jinzin
"Second of all, regardless of what DD, Cap, and Wolvie can do in hth combat, they cannot defend themselves against a Spidey speedblitz at it's absolute best."

stick hand out.....extend claws....dead spidey....

And who said anything about Spidey going after Wolvie first, better to eliminate the two weaker links first then to have them serve as distractions.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Jinzin, don't worry about Straw:

They don't even know about the trio, so why should we care about their crap opinion?

Uh-huh.

"I'm not referring to comic book logic"

then why are you debating comic book characters in a comic book debate?

"Cap's head being used as a battering ram is grade-A crap no matter which way you slice it"

oh yes the crap writing argument...retreat retreat! pffft

"There are people here who argue the laws of physics against Spidey seeing as his origin is unrealistic, yet this is fine?"

if you're going to argue real world physics....neither are acceptable...oh wait...I seem to recall debating comics here!

"in a versus fight where logic does matter"

logically peter parker has cancer then....you can't have it both ways....

"Completely disregarding the effect of an unpulled punch from Spidey to these three just because Spidey has to job to these three for no good reason other than to keep the fight interesting is disregard for what Spidey can do period."

you mean like disregarding the fact that these guys can take an unpulled punch from spidey and HAVE taken worse than that before? yeah you're being reeeeally "logical" now... 🙄

"Yeah, Wolvie's going to anticipate the speedblitz from the get-go. "

yeah spiderman moves faster than lightspeed.. 🙄

"I'm using actual logic and not this wacked crap-heap of an argument you're slinging 'round?"

are you referring to our comic book facts and evidence as a crap-heap.....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 😂

I said it before I'll say it again....delusional...

Originally posted by jinzin
they hardly know about spidey at that..... well....straw anyways...

In case you didn't catch those words at the beginning of the thread, I took the liberty of re-typing them for you.

C'mon man, are you JUST coming to the realization that, despite Spidey's down to earth, just like everybody else persona, Spidey IS well above the limits of what a human can accomplish. Did you even know that Spidey was more than human to begin with? Do you know Spidey's abilties at all? What about his fighting style that enlists the use of ALL of them, hmm?

But, then again, I suppose that I don't know anything about Spidey because I don't agree with you. I mean, ANYONE at the height of human potential can ram their head through a wall by logical means, right?

Please don't tell me what I know and don't know, because unlike your opinion of what I know and don't know about Spidey, I can almost confirm that you know nothing of a human's physiology.

Originally posted by jinzin
"I'm using actual logic and not this wacked crap-heap of an argument you're slinging 'round?"

are you referring to our comic book facts and evidence as a crap-heap.....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 😂

I said it before I'll say it again....delusional...

"Crap writing or not it happened"-YOU said this jinzin. C'mon, if anyone's "delusional" here.......

Originally posted by jinzin
"Yeah, Wolvie's going to anticipate the speedblitz from the get-go. "

yeah spiderman moves faster than lightspeed.. 🙄

But I can confirm through stats made from Marvel itself, that Spidey is a GREAT deal faster than Wolvie. Not to mention that it's not like you have to be the Flash to catch Wolvie off-guard anyway, that's just an assumption of yours....

I don't know about human physiology? you seem to be the one having a hard time coming to grips that logically spiderman is just a guy that gets cancers from a radioactive spiderbite or that the radioactive spider dies from the radioactivity in the first place thus no spiderman.......

I have already said that I'm debating comic book characters here...not real ones......real world physics, logic, and physiology apply at a very very very minute level.....

I'm saying you don't know too much about spidey since you think his fihgting ability to be uncompared by anyone on earth................even though vulture kicked his ass in a h2h fight..

you think that spiderman can't be hit by peak humans cause "it's not fact".................when it's happened hundreds upon hundreds of times....

you thought that spiderman should have no reason to be afraid of the shocker............when shockers had spiderman at his mercy several times....

you think cap can't hit him with his shield...............even though cap hit a guy that moved faster than the eye could see.

the list goes on and on and on......

"But I can confirm through stats made from Marvel itself, that Spidey is a GREAT deal faster than Wolvie. Not to mention that it's not like you have to be the Flash to catch Wolvie off-guard anyway, that's just an assumption of yours...."

nope I'm saying that a wolverine caught a guy that's been confirmed (by your precious stats) to move faster than lightspeed......but spiderman's gonna move so fast wolvie can't even respond? puh----lease!

Originally posted by jinzin
"I'm not referring to comic book logic"

then why are you debating comic book characters in a comic book debate?

"Cap's head being used as a battering ram is grade-A crap no matter which way you slice it"

oh yes the crap writing argument...retreat retreat! pffft

"There are people here who argue the laws of physics against Spidey seeing as his origin is unrealistic, yet this is fine?"

if you're going to argue real world physics....neither are acceptable...oh wait...I seem to recall debating comics here!

"in a versus fight where logic does matter"

logically peter parker has cancer then....you can't have it both ways....

"Completely disregarding the effect of an unpulled punch from Spidey to these three just because Spidey has to job to these three for no good reason other than to keep the fight interesting is disregard for what Spidey can do period."

you mean like disregarding the fact that these guys can take an unpulled punch from spidey and HAVE taken worse than that before? yeah you're being reeeeally "logical" now... 🙄

And it's funny how you'll pick and choose what to debate out of one of my arguments without debating the whole thing, you don't even get how to factor in logic to one of your examples (or maybe you do, and are just keeping up the argument anyway in hopes of having no one notice.)

And again, you're picking and choosing what to debate in an argument without arguing the whole thing. Origins don't matter, notice I did say "real world physics applied to the abilities of the characters in this fight" and was not referring to the origin. You're only disputing the origin to get out of having to argue the physiology of a human and the physiology of Spidey and having to admit Spidey as a human's superior many times over, etc, etc, or continuing with what you've got and risking humiliation, or leaving altogether. To simply dismiss real world physics just because of a character's origin is wrong and an action resorted to out of desperation. In a Cap. A. vs. Superman thread I could use your "logic" as means to say that Superman is impossible because aliens are impossible so Cap. A. wins. Using your logic, I could also go on to say that mutants don't exist, DD is just blind period and also suffering from cancer or something of the sort, and Cap. A. is still his scrawny self without any special enhancements because: "you can't just take a dip into a pool of chemicals and come out with powers" or I could go to the extreme and say that Cap. A. dies from poisoning or the experiment is shut down by the government because the procedure is unethical.

And I'm not disregarding the fact that Cap and DD have taken unpulled punches from Spidey without good reasoning! Logically it couldn't happen. Then again, you'd have to understand a human's physiology to understand and obviously you don't, so, I don't hold anything against you.

Originally posted by jinzin
"But I can confirm through stats made from Marvel itself, that Spidey is a GREAT deal faster than Wolvie. Not to mention that it's not like you have to be the Flash to catch Wolvie off-guard anyway, that's just an assumption of yours...."

nope I'm saying that a wolverine caught a guy that's been confirmed (by your precious stats) to move faster than lightspeed......but spiderman's gonna move so fast wolvie can't even respond? puh----lease!

Spidey has been shown and portrayed time and time again to be faster than Wolvie, even in your precious "graveyard fight" example. Spidey is evading all of Wolvie's attacks depsite his "fear" (please) of Wolvie's own speed. Even in Marvel Knights, there's a technicality to Wolvie stabbing Spidey: 1) Spidey's just standing there like an idiot to take the stab while Wolvie is pulling from webbing he's never been confirmed to have been strong enough to pull away from and 2) Wolvie admitted that the whole thing was an accident. So basically the end result to that story was canon with a half-a**ed but acceptable explination, esp. when you ocnsider that Spidey was holding back and not even trying to attack Wolvie with anything other than his stronger-than-steel-cable-type webbing, unlike now, when he (as stated in the initial post) WILL use any means nessecary to defeat the trio to the BEST of his abilties, and vice versa.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah this person is definitly not worth responding to anymore. 😕 😬

Don't waste your time responding top my posts either, your responses will now simply be ignored.

"You can debate comic book characters and use comic book examples as long as they're not redicoulously above what said comic book character can actually do....that's what you've been doing,"
ummmmm no I haven't..... 🙄 wolverine consistantly kicks the crap out of spiderman.....apparently it's not outside of the limits of his character to do so.....

"And it's funny how you'll pick and choose what to debate out of one of my arguments without debating the whole thing, you don't even get how to factor in logic to one of your examples "

but it's okay for you to pick and choose what types of "logic" and realism you're using for your debate?....again... 🙄

"Origins don't matter, notice I did say "real world physics applied to the abilities of the characters in this fight" and was not referring to the origin."

of course you weren't talking about the origins because it's in direct contrast with the whole "lets use realism in our comic book debate strategy" and makes you look hipocritical as all ****... 😂 ....but like I said.....even given spidermans abilities in the real world his bone density wouldn't be any more sufficient to land from jumping 2 stories into the air than it would before.....hence he breaks his legs the first time he attempts to jump off something high.....

"You're only disputing the origin to get out of having to argue the physiology of a human and the physiology of Spidey and having to admit Spidey as a human's superior many times over, etc, etc, or continuing with what you've got and risking humiliation, or leaving altogether."

please everytime I've trapped you in one of your crap writing arguments with a hypothetical question you simply don't respond to it....... again....what makes the wolverine vs. spiderman fight IN CONTINUITY? I'm disputing real world logic because it doesn't belong in a comic book debate...these guys have shown through actuall FEATS ...life experiences that they can take anything spidey has to dish out and even beat him into the ground....."but that's crap writiing wha wha wha".....well stick with what you got I guess..... :rolleyes"
"Using your logic, I could also go on to say that mutants don't exist, DD is just blind period and also suffering from cancer or something of the sort, and Cap. A. is still his scrawny self without any special enhancements because: "you can't just take a dip into a pool of chemicals and come out with powers" or I could go to the extreme and say that Cap. A. dies from poisoning or the experiment is shut down by the government because the procedure is unethical."

maybe you've been avoiding the logic of creshock's posts because both he and I have been saying relatively the same thing for ump-teen some pages here..... that's why we're not debating realism...is that to hard for you to understand? 😕 poor kid......

"Then again, you'd have to understand a human's physiology to understand and obviously you don't, so, I don't hold anything against you."

obviously I don't.....despite my courses in human anatomy and biology......😂 oh wait....you don't have proof of that statement either...like you haven't had proof of anything other than your absolute ignorance of all of these characters during theis entire thread... 😱
"Wolvie's stats say different."

his feats don't.......

"even in your precious "graveyard fight" example. Spidey is evading all of Wolvie's attacks depsite his "fear" (please) of Wolvie's own speed."

yeah except a "claws sheathed" punch to the face..... 🙄

"Spidey's just standing there like an idiot to take the stab while Wolvie is pulling from webbing he's never been confirmed to have been strong enough to pull away from and"

😂 you only further PROVE you're complete and total ignorance.....not only is spidey not "standing around" but the guy is in mid air (jumping if that helps you....feet not on ground if that helps more), he's also still spraying webbing out from his wrists....hahahahaha

"when you ocnsider that Spidey was holding back and not even trying to attack Wolvie with anything other than his stronger-than-steel-cable-type webbing,"

whats your point?.....😕 obviously wolverine wasn't going all out either since it was an accident.......oh well you almost had a nice debate..........oh wait....no you didn't! 😱

anyways....I'm with cresh on this one......anyone else wants to debate this thang great....I'm done with straw though......