The supporters of the trio are doing a decent job of making Spider-man seem like a weak clumsy amateur that can't handle himself against a group of foes who are far weaker and have few abilities that would give him a difficult time. Only Wolverine has offered true competition to Spider-man for DD has admitted his inferiority to a composed Spider-man and how anyone thinks Cap can take a punch from Spidey and retain consciousness confuses me.
Spidey has knocked out the manbeast with one punch into machinery and he is near hulk level strength. He has also beaten Blasstar while wearing a different costume that he didn't have webbing with. Blasstar is another character that usually requires a team to defeat.
It always takes a full team effort from the X-men to challenge him for he embarrasses this LARGE group EVERY time he faces them and they train as hard as the Avengers if not moreso in the Danger-room. Six X-men with many ranging powers have a VERY difficult time fighting him so how does anyone get off thinking that THREE non-flying, non-superstrength having, non excess durability given ( besides wolverine) are going to have an easy time beating him TO DEATH. He's not going to just jump in the middle of them and assume the fetal position.
Spidey has handled multiple skilled opponents before and is very adept to divide and conquer tactics that won't fail to completely incapacitate his opponents.
Wolverine is not INVINCIBLE and proving that to his fans has become an exercise in futility...
Why can't Spider-man compensate for fighting a guy who is twenty times weaker and not as fast as he is even tough he is much faster than the average hero? Wolvy couldn't take Blasstar by himself if his life depended on it and would be useless against the likes of sandman, electro, and even the Lizard ( the mindless one) could have finished him considering his losses to Sabertooth (before enhancements).
The Jury was a team of 3 or 4 who could fly and had been trained on how to deal with Spidey and Venom. They got the best of him at first but when the KID GLOVES came off they were beaten easily.
If you were to freeze all of these guys at the top of their game and have them battle Spidey is the one who has survived against the worst possible odds against GROUPS of enemies that have only his death in mind.
I am a fan but I don't have to be a fanboy to weigh the odds and say that the guy who has beaten groups of opponents more powerful than this group and has fought a larger variety of opponents than almost any solo adventurer in COMICS has the odds in his favor.
The trio don't have an experience advantage over Spidey due to the fact that He's the only opponent that they've ever faced that has the perfect combination of powers to dismantle a plan even if it's very well thought out and specifies an offense and defense against him.
I challenge any trio supporter to explain how manbeast is FINISHED by a powerpunch from Spidey and none of the trio are. Do any of them surpass his strength and Durability?
So far trio supporters are just posting pics of wolverine showing abilities that do not surpass Spidey's by any means, and trying to imply that Spidey doesn't have JUST AS MUCH experience as Cap when he has fought far more powerful opponents SOLO than Cap, DD, or Wolverine.
"Your only using one extreme..Wolverine has also been shown more often than not..to be taken down by a simple kicks/punches by street level people before,"
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please share examples........more often than not of course....
anyways.......secret wars wolverine is CLEARLY telling spiderman he doesn't want to hurt the guy........ I mean he had his claws out in marvel team up no.1 when that kid/omega class mutant blasted him off the freakin building....and wolverine once again specifically said he came to help.....if he did come just to help why did he snikt those claws you ask? hell wolverine snikts those damn things at the most inapropriate times constantly....maybe he just thinks they're cool, maybe he just likes the noise they make...regardless he does it all the time when he's not in a fight, not being hostile, and not trying to hurt people....
but since you thought wolverine was "begging for his life" in marvel knights 14....I really don't expect you to interpret it logically anyways...
so once again we're going by what's happened more than not......spidey gets his ass kicked by wolverine more than not.....spidey gets punched into the ground by captain america more than not.....daredevil holds his own against spidey BY HIMSELF more than not......
Originally posted by jinzin
"Your only using one extreme..Wolverine has also been shown more often than not..to be taken down by a simple kicks/punches by street level people before,"😂
please share examples........more often than not of course....anyways.......secret wars wolverine is CLEARLY telling spiderman he doesn't want to hurt the guy........ I mean he had his claws out in marvel team up no.1 when that kid/omega class mutant blasted him off the freakin building....and wolverine once again specifically said he came to help.....if he did come just to help why did he snikt those claws you ask? hell wolverine snikts those damn things at the most inapropriate times constantly....maybe he just thinks they're cool, maybe he just likes the noise they make...regardless he does it all the time when he's not in a fight, not being hostile, and not trying to hurt people....
but since you thought wolverine was "begging for his life" in marvel knights 14....I really don't expect you to interpret it logically anyways...
so once again we're going by what's happened more than not......spidey gets his ass kicked by wolverine more than not.....spidey gets punched into the ground by captain america more than not.....daredevil holds his own against spidey BY HIMSELF more than not......
and as far as my pics are concerned Ive shown every spidey vs. trio encounter I have save one more daredevil fight cause the pic from that spat was already posted.....the jumping thing was upon request.....the spidey vs. FF thing was when someone insisted spidey bested the fantastic four despite never actually reading the damned comic.......
thus far in terms of comic book incidents
trio-6
spiderman-3 (and I'm being gracious by giving him two victories where he didn't actually win anything)
regardless.........HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM STATS BIZATCH?!?!
Originally posted by jinzin
and as far as my pics are concerned Ive shown every spidey vs. trio encounter I have save one more daredevil fight cause the pic from that spat was already posted.....the jumping thing was upon request.....the spidey vs. FF thing was when someone insisted spidey bested the fantastic four despite never actually reading the damned comic.......thus far in terms of comic book incidents
trio-6
spiderman-3 (and I'm being gracious by giving him two victories where he didn't actually win anything)regardless.........HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM STATS BIZATCH?!?!
The stats don't make any difference at all If they're untrue but there has been nothing to disprove the stats except pictures and they aren't gospel to all any more than stats are gospel to trio supporters....
the inability to present any scenario at all and no explanation for taking blows from Spidey other than the lovely "training makes your bones bulletproof" which is appreciated but laughable at best, leads me to believe that the trio hasn't a prayer of getting a logical victory.
Trio sucks except for Wolverine and loses 4 out of five times...Label me a fanboy if you must but I've weighed what I know and Spidey isn't outclassed here by any means. Peace 😮💨
"training makes your bones bulletproof"
NO ONE......EVER.....MADE THIS CLAIM......you're really beginning to dissapoint me.....
and yes.....we've already stated how and why spiderman's punches aren't anywhere near as effective as the fanboys would lead people to believe....
so the stats don't matter huh?....but that's all we ever here about in spiderman threads anymore.......well I guess they just don't matter when they make spiderman look bad.....creshock was right all along......
so the trio loses 4 out of 5 times...when wolverine alone has gotten the best of spiderman 3 out of 3 times....... (or 3 out of 4 considering secret wars)?......yeah....that makes sense.... 🙄
Originally posted by jinzin
"training makes your bones bulletproof"NO ONE......EVER.....MADE THIS CLAIM......you're really beginning to dissapoint me.....
and yes.....we've already stated how and why spiderman's punches aren't anywhere near as effective as the fanboys would lead people to believe....
so the stats don't matter huh?....but that's all we ever here about in spiderman threads anymore.......well I guess they just don't matter when they make spiderman look bad.....creshock was right all along......
so the trio loses 4 out of 5 times...when wolverine alone has gotten the best of spiderman 3 out of 3 times....... (or 3 out of 4 considering secret wars)?......yeah....that makes sense.... 🙄
the force, speed, and concentration of a speeding of a bullet is completely different from a spiderman punch......wtf....
no you dissapointed me by making a mockery of a well thought out argument and explaination of how these characters can survive spiderman punches in the real world much less a comic book one by saying we made a claim that we never did.....
Originally posted by jinzin
please share examples........more often than not of course....
Punisher, Elektra, Daredevil, Cyclops, Psylocke...to name a few..top that of with ninjas, bar room bruisers, and oh yeah..I think I caught him get hit by a pirate once or twice..but I know what your going to say..he was fighting more than one so it doesn't count..besides we all know how tough it would be for Spider Man to take down a bunch of pirates..lol...
anyways.......secret wars wolverine is CLEARLY telling spiderman he doesn't want to hurt the guy........ I mean he had his claws out in marvel team up no.1 when that kid/omega class mutant blasted him off the freakin building....and wolverine once again specifically said he came to help.....if he did come just to help why did he snikt those claws you ask? hell wolverine snikts those damn things at the most inapropriate times constantly...
Yes Wolvie popping his claws has always been a sign of him getting ready to assist someone..🙄
maybe he just thinks they're cool, maybe he just likes the noise they make...
or maybe your just a delusional fanboy..who can't ever realize the difference between between what's logical and what's not.......😆 😆 😆...
It's time for me to pack my bags and leave SM supporters...
I've realized that there is one power that SM will never be able to overcome..that power is "FANBOYISM"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..erhem..ha.... 😮💨
Originally posted by StrawNilla
Wolvie does anything but kick the crap out of Spidey. If anything, there's some stupid technicality for Wolvie getting the upperhand in any of their fights in the first place. Notice the difference in Spidey's personality and manner in Secret Wars, where he fought like he actually had superhuman abilties and had not only backhanded Wolvie a few feet, but also left Colossus, Nightcrawler, and Rogue pulling webbing out of their ears. Wolverine has been confirmed already through comic book stats to have not been on Spidey's level both in the past and currently.And when have I not debated everything you've had to say on the trio beating Spidey? That's a false accusation. Btw, that was a smart move, you know, owning up to my accusation.
And it's like I said, you want to bring a hero's origin into a discussion about real world physics, then Superman should be everyone's doormat on account of our having no proof of alien lifeforms.
And I'm not ignoring any of yours' or Cresh's points, but I don't see the logic in them. You claim to be a specialist on the human anatomy despite knowing that Cap and DD are both human with human anatomies and physiologies and therefore could not survive having their heads rammed through walls and the force of an unpulled punch from Spidey...you're just refusing to own up to it. Which is really, very sad.
And you've NEVER trapped me in a crap writing argument, I may have given you an answer you don't want to acknowledge or accept, but I have given you an answer to it nonetheless. And I stand by it.
And where in the statement: Cap A and DD are humans, does something scream ignorance? If you're so sure of my ignorance of these characters than maybe you should start reading more comics, the fact that Cap. A and DD are humans has been confirmed, and it's the fact that your precious argument of them being superhumans has not been confirmed that has you resorting to insulting me rather than trying to prove me wrong with an example other than a battle in which Spidey was fighting well below his potential.
More later.
"Wolverine has also been shown more often than not..to be taken down by a simple kicks/punches by street level people before"
"Punisher, Elektra, Daredevil, Cyclops, Psylocke...to name a few..top that of with ninjas, bar room bruisers, and oh yeah..I think I caught him get hit by a pirate once or twice.."
those are your examples of wolverine getting taken down by simple punches and kicks????????????? 😕 BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA 😂 omg you're dumb.........seriously and the pirate thing.....wolverine took down 100 well armed priates with guns and machetes....had spiderman got into that he would be dead...just like when he got into it with the swat team...... Not one of those was a good example of wolverine getting "taken down" much less by characters who utilize "simple punches and kicks".......overwhelming numbers, grenades, guns, and mutant powers is more like it.... but please feel free to give your plethora of issue numbers to back that statement up...as I'm sure you have them...
"Yes Wolvie popping his claws has always been a sign of him getting ready to assist someone.."
WHEN HE SAYS HE'S THERE TO HELP....NOT HURT......YES......YES IT IS A SIGN......a strange one I'll admit...but none the less...
again....who am I a fanboy of exactly....? pathetic....if that's all you got...
Originally posted by jinzin
whoops....here's the pic...of course I suppose we could do some spider-fanboy arguing and just say the only reason that spiderman did that was because of his popularity....but I'll just stick with this.....wolverine was down and out....he got knocked back got up and spiderman hightailed it outa there.....second wolverine wasn't trying to hurt spidey.....third, even if I did count this as a spiderman win........it's still wolverine 3 spidey 1.....
You amke it sound like Spidey was thinking the whole time: 'Okay, I've just backhanded a guy a few feet almost effortlessly and handed his teammate's a**es to them, now all I have to do is get out of here before that one guy that I, again, backhanded a few feet almost effortlessly, gets up and makes a statement about how I made him and his team look like ameteurs.'
Wolvie was outplayed, outsmarted, outmaneuvered, and straight up outdone. Regardless of Spidey having to get out of there to deal with other matters involving him and others at the time, nothing will ever change that.
Originally posted by StrawNillaGood post. Spidey gave Wolverine one of the most disrespectful ownings ever. He brushed him off like a kid and then he called him a dummy. Wolverine had his claws out and jumped @ Spidey. He wasn't trying to be nice.
WTF?You amke it sound like Spidey was thinking the whole time: 'Okay, I've just backhanded a guy a few feet almost effortlessly and handed his teammate's a**es to them, now all I have to do is get out of here before that one guy that I, again, backhanded a few feet almost effortlessly, gets up and makes a statement about how I made him and his team look like ameteurs.'
Wolvie was outplayed, outsmarted, outmaneuvered, and straight up outdone. Regardless of Spidey having to get out of there to deal with other matters involving him and others at the time, nothing will ever change that.
1 more thing: Let's try to keep this a friendly debate.