Of course your own weight. In your description, Spidey just up and grabs Caps sheild and pulls his arm off, like it's some cheap zombie movie, of course his arm can handle his own weight.
If he tried any fancier maneuvers, he'd get KO'd. Spiderman is only a little bit faster than Cap. If you don't agree, Prove it different.
Iron fist...nah. Shang chi is better, but Cap is damn close (I'm assumming you meant worlds greatest fighter (WGF)).
Don't listen to mercs fighting logic, he thinks bats can hit harder than superman and carrying a 3 pound weight will break your arm.
Anyway, we already agreed that Spidey wasn't going to be ko'ed by a single hit unless it was with caps shield, and that means cap can be ko'ed by a force equal to or weaker than caps shield, Spidey's punch or kick, especially at higher velocity is much greater than caps shield can ever hope to accomplish, its easy math.
And we're not being too illogical by saying what can happen. Spidey CAN knock out these guys without too much effort, not has been written to, In fact hulk hasn't ko'ed these guys with little effort. This is a scenario where things can happened and happen yet, which makes this a reasonable, consistent, and unbiased argument.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellWait, you mean spiderman can do things now that he can't do in the comics?
Don't listen to mercs fighting logic, he thinks bats can hit harder than superman and carrying a 3 pound weight will break your arm.Anyway, we already agreed that Spidey wasn't going to be ko'ed by a single hit unless it was with caps shield, and that means cap can be ko'ed by a force equal to or weaker than caps shield, Spidey's punch or kick, especially at higher velocity is much greater than caps shield can ever hope to accomplish, its easy math.
And we're not being too illogical by saying what can happen. Spidey CAN knock out these guys without too much effort, not has been written to, In fact hulk hasn't ko'ed these guys with little effort. This is a scenario where things can happened and happen yet, which makes this a reasonable, consistent, and unbiased argument.
Hey Jinzin where's that list of spidey powers?
I find it funny that these guys complain about pis/cis and then fall back to the secret wars fight like it was a bible.
"Anything that doesn't portray spiderman as a god is pis/cis"
I mean in the secret wars incident he neutralized most of the x-mens powers.
Rouge couldn't fly as fast as she normally could. She normally has the ability of flight, and she is able to fly at speeds around the sound barrier.
So she technically had the stats advantage over spiderman, but stats only count when they are in spiderman's favor.
And nightcrawler, he couldn't teleport either.
But hey Spidey's in a good light so this is good writing. The other incidents? Spidey was in a bad light so they were all pis/cis.
Nah, I myself have yet to use the crap writing excuse even if it shows him winning or losing in a fight so don't give me that, with the exception of me and maybe you, everyone has referred to bad writing at least once. I know I have given the same stats for spiderman throughout and so has everyone else, what he can do should be public knowledge, i merely said what he can do versus what he has been writtern to do meaning this hasn't happened yet so saying what he is capable of is ok too mention, even if it is not potrayed. If what Im saying is confusing you, read the PLEASE READ AGAIN by Paola.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellWell I was talking to you specifically, rather than about you. 😛
Nah, I myself have yet to use the crap writing excuse even if it shows him winning or losing in a fight so don't give me that, with the exception of me and maybe you, everyone has referred to bad writing at least once. I know I have given the same stats for spiderman throughout and so has everyone else, what he can do should be public knowledge, i merely said what he can do versus what he has been writtern to do meaning this hasn't happened yet so saying what he is capable of is ok too mention, even if it is not potrayed. If what Im saying is confusing you, read the PLEASE READ AGAIN by Paola.
I just find it hard to beleive that Spiderman has the ability to knock wolverine out after seeing all that Wolverine has taken all the time.
In each of the encounters between the two Spiderman has punched Wolverine, and has never been able to knock them out.
And the ways that we truly learn what a character is capable of is what happens to them in their books.
Otherwise there'd be nothing to base the stats off of.
Yea, but Wolverine has a varied amount of what he has taken, He was out for two days from a minor explosion, then takes adamantium bullets. I would just ask, How can a brain stay still in a hard skeleton that was just rocked by a ten ton punch not to mention at a high velocity, I have already voted on who would win that wont change, I'm just explaining the difference in consistency and the capabelities in this scenario, which have yet to be written.
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellIf there is a varience in consistancy then shouldn't you look to see what happens most often?
Yea, but Wolverine has a varied amount of what he has taken, He was out for two days from a minor explosion, then takes adamantium bullets. I would just ask, How can a brain stay still in a hard skeleton that was just rocked by a ten ton punch not to mention at a high velocity, I have already voted on who would win that wont change, I'm just explaining the difference in consistency and the capabelities in this scenario, which have yet to be written.
Wolverine has survived large hits on a fairly constant basis. So why couldn't he stay concious when Spidey hit him?
I yep and these hits are large when spidey isn't holding back, in fact that is why he has so many enemies, then there are certain indirect ways besides just punching. Also, note that you said staying alive and conscious, we all know wolvie is damn near impossible to kill, hulk may have problems doing that, now CU spidey could probably kill him, though spidey is very unlikely to kill him in one punch. I know howerver that wolvie wont still be standing and smiling like supes from an unpulled punch, things will get serious, a calm wolvie aint on par speed or strength wise much less so from a beserk spidey.
here's a list of spidey's powers, in FB world....( copyright jinzin 2005)
Unlimited strength (can one punch anyone)
Unlimited speed (he can move faster than anyone can see even precogs)
The best precog in existence (he's seen everything coming at him since before they were born)
His webbing moves just as fast as he does if not an infinteimal amount slower than he does.
and it can hold even the gods for eternity since it never disolves and can't be cut by anyone.
He can sap his opponents powers til they're weaker than newborn babies.
He is also omniscient as he knows everything about a person.
Once the spidersense goes off Spiderman is already elsewhere.
He appearently can fly and completly immobilize his opponents too...
[QUOTE=3986289]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]Wait, you mean spiderman can do things now that he can't do in the comics?
-"Are you serious? All comic book characters can do things that they don't do in the comics (like be complete criminals). If you didn't know this for real then what you aren't getting is that we're using what we know about the characters to figure out who would win. Spidey has never picked up a hippo...Do you think he can't?"-
Hey Jinzin where's that list of spidey powers?
-"Here's one: he pinched off a gun barrel so he could palm a dent in a cannonball and in any human skull.."-
I find it funny that these guys complain about pis/cis and then fall back to the secret wars fight like it was a bible.
-"I could care less about technical terms and that fight in the secret wars wasn't completely ridiculous...It lasted all of 10 seconds so he caught them all off gaurd with his combination of skills...If they were trying to fight him (and it was obvious that they weren't) he would have had too much to deal with."-
"Anything that doesn't portray spiderman as a god is pis/cis"
-"Anything that doesn't portray Spiderman as a scrub is pis/cis (whatever)"-
I mean in the secret wars incident he neutralized most of the x-mens powers.
-"GARBAGE! that never happened"-
Rouge couldn't fly as fast as she normally could. She normally has the ability of flight, and she is able to fly at speeds around the sound barrier.
-"Spidey wasn't on the other side of the planet he was right there and how much practise has he had nailing flying enemies?"-
So she technically had the stats advantage over spiderman, but stats only count when they are in spiderman's favor.
-"She didn't hit him or touch him so how where her stats negated at all? You must mean that the stats never count to Spidey haters when they're very much in Spidey's favor. (not then but in this fight)"-
And nightcrawler, he couldn't teleport either.
-"He teleported and got snared as he appeared. Wolverine got slapped and then proffeser x ended the fight. Why would nightcrawler need to attack again?"-
But hey Spidey's in a good light so this is good writing. The other incidents? Spidey was in a bad light so they were all pis/cis.
-"Spidey is like any other hero and costantly is made to look good and bad. The thing that I like about Spidey is that he doesn't have to go outside of what's believable, given his abilities, to be nigh untouchable and very dangerous to almost every opponent. When he does (like when he ko'ed hulk) I'll acknowledge it though, unlike the trio supporters that take every drawing as evidence of ability. If a blind person that had someone read the stories of each character to them where to place their opinion here, I don't think that you'd ever convince them that a human can take any unpulled blow from Spidey."-
-"Finally can you explain which one of the trio has more durability than manbeast? Spidey finished him with ONE PUNCH!"-
Originally posted by CorderaMitchellWhich is why in one of the encounters that people love to bring up spiderman said that he wasn't holding back, leads me to beleive Wolverine could take a full spidey punch.
I yep and these hits are large when spidey isn't holding back, in fact that is why he has so many enemies, then there are certain indirect ways besides just punching. Also, note that you said staying alive and conscious, we all know wolvie is damn near impossible to kill, hulk may have problems doing that, now CU spidey could probably kill him, though spidey is very unlikely to kill him in one punch. I know howerver that wolvie wont still be standing and smiling like supes from an unpulled punch, things will get serious, a calm wolvie aint on par speed or strength wise much less so from a beserk spidey.
Originally posted by The MISTER
[QUOTE=3986289]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]Wait, you mean spiderman can do things now that he can't do in the comics?-"Are you serious? All comic book characters can do things that they don't do in the comics (like be complete criminals). If you didn't know this for real then what you aren't getting is that we're using what we know about the characters to figure out who would win. Spidey has never picked up a hippo...Do you think he can't?"-
Hey Jinzin where's that list of spidey powers?
-"Here's one: he pinched off a gun barrel so he could palm a dent in a cannonball and in any human skull.."-
I find it funny that these guys complain about pis/cis and then fall back to the secret wars fight like it was a bible.
-"I could care less about technical terms and that fight in the secret wars wasn't completely ridiculous...It lasted all of 10 seconds so he caught them all off gaurd with his combination of skills...If they were trying to fight him (and it was obvious that they weren't) he would have had too much to deal with."-
"Anything that doesn't portray spiderman as a god is pis/cis"
-"Anything that doesn't portray Spiderman as a scrub is pis/cis (whatever)"-
I mean in the secret wars incident he neutralized most of the x-mens powers.
-"GARBAGE! that never happened"-
Rouge couldn't fly as fast as she normally could. She normally has the ability of flight, and she is able to fly at speeds around the sound barrier.
-"Spidey wasn't on the other side of the planet he was right there and how much practise has he had nailing flying enemies?"-
So she technically had the stats advantage over spiderman, but stats only count when they are in spiderman's favor.
-"She didn't hit him or touch him so how where her stats negated at all? You must mean that the stats never count to Spidey haters when they're very much in Spidey's favor. (not then but in this fight)"-
And nightcrawler, he couldn't teleport either.
-"He teleported and got snared as he appeared. Wolverine got slapped and then proffeser x ended the fight. Why would nightcrawler need to attack again?"-
But hey Spidey's in a good light so this is good writing. The other incidents? Spidey was in a bad light so they were all pis/cis.
-"Spidey is like any other hero and costantly is made to look good and bad. The thing that I like about Spidey is that he doesn't have to go outside of what's believable, given his abilities, to be nigh untouchable and very dangerous to almost every opponent. When he does (like when he ko'ed hulk) I'll acknowledge it though, unlike the trio supporters that take every drawing as evidence of ability. If a blind person that had someone read the stories of each character to them where to place their opinion here, I don't think that you'd ever convince them that a human can take any unpulled blow from Spidey."-
-"Finally can you explain which one of the trio has more durability than manbeast? Spidey finished him with ONE PUNCH!"-
Ya ready I'm gonna have to do this again
Spiderman (Friendly neighborhood version)
Class ten lifter: Approx 10 tons.
Superhuman, Speed,Relfexes,Agility,Equilibrium)(For those of you who don't know what Eq is lets just say it has to do with the natural resistance to weight and gravity and being knocked down. All of these are easily 40 and above times the amount of a human.
Wall Sticking very important but usually unmentioned ability, Since he can adhere to many surfaces, it gives him an almost unfair advantage to ground based enemies w/ no good projectiles.
Webbing super strong, steel capable, spidey himself could not "Break out of it" A sufficient amount could hold the thing for life, and it has held the likes of: Hulk, She-Hulk, Thing, Rhino, Trains, Cars, And buses to name a few things.
Pre cog, a superhuman feat Prof x doesn't even have. It allows him to sense threats(not just attacks) from all directions, and a short period before they happen, though does not identify the threat or nature of the attack.
WOLVERINE
Strength Peak Human or a Human at its max potential, could perhaps fling around the weight of a pool table across the room.
Speed Peak Human: Could probably run at the speed or a little less than a grey hound
Healing factor/ Durability: most incosistent garbage ever at times: Passes out from bad tea and being knocked on the floor from Cyclops to taking punches from namor. Has nigh-indestructable skeleton andclaws. Answer this for me: Gambit charged and Blew up Wolvies face by use of his skeleton, if it was bonded with his skeleton, therefore organic would it have happened?
The funniest thing about this debate is that I've only heard from one trio supporter that doesn't seem biased just opinionated, but almost all the others are just Spidey fan bashers and haters..IMO
so many arguments they make sound like this
" YOU'RE A SPIDEY FANBOY CAUSE YOU THINK THAT HE'S A GOOD FIGHTER EVEN THOUGH I SAID THAT WOLVERINE'S THE MOST DURABLE MARVEL CHARACTER EVER AND HAVE A COOL PICTURE OF HIM DOING SOMETHING THAT HE CAN'T DO IN A DIFFERENT COMIC IN THE SAME TIMELINE!!!! YOU FANBOOOYS MAKE ME MAD!!! IF YOU'D JUST AGREE WITH ME FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN MY INSULTS THEN YOU WON'T BE A FANBOY ANY MORE!!!!" 😖
I could care less about namecalling... Can anyone bring forth some good reasons why this group is a very serious threat.... Wolvy is the only killer on the team, and the only one I believe won't be crushed like a bug by Spidey not holding back.