Originally posted by The MISTERAh the strawman argument. 🙂
[QUOTE=3986289]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]Wait, you mean spiderman can do things now that he can't do in the comics?Are you serious? All comic book characters can do things that they don't do in the comics (like be complete criminals). If you didn't know this for real then what you aren't getting is that we're using what we know about the characters to figure out who would win. Spidey has never picked up a hippo...Do you think he can't?
Spidey has never picked up Galactus, Do you think he can?
Originally posted by The MISTER
[QUOTE=3986289]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]Hey Jinzin where's that list of spidey powers?
Here's one: he pinched off a gun barrel so he could palm a dent in a cannonball and in any human skull..[/b][/quote]Including an adamantium one?
Originally posted by The MISTER
[QUOTE=3986289]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]I find it funny that these guys complain about pis/cis and then fall back to the secret wars fight like it was a bible.
I could care less about technical terms and that fight in the secret wars wasn't completely ridiculous...It lasted all of 10 seconds so he caught them all off gaurd with his combination of skills...If they were trying to fight him (and it was obvious that they weren't) he would have had too much to deal with.[/b][/quote]Nightcrawler cound't teleport out of spiderman's web, Rouge couldn't fly at the speed of sound.
It was completly ridiculous.
Originally posted by The MISTER😆 far from it. But you've already proved my statement. 🙂
[QUOTE=3986289]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]"Anything that doesn't portray spiderman as a god is pis/cis"
Anything that doesn't portray Spiderman as a scrub is pis/cis (whatever)
Originally posted by The MISTERRouge couldn't fly at the speed of sound, Nightcrawler couldn't teleport, but this is still considered "good writing" from the spidey fans.
[QUOTE=3986289]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]I mean in the secret wars incident he neutralized most of the x-mens powers.GARBAGE! that never happened
Originally posted by The MISTERHow much practise has he had nailing enemies that fly at mach speeds?
[QUOTE=3986289]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]Rouge couldn't fly as fast as she normally could. She normally has the ability of flight, and she is able to fly at speeds around the sound barrier.Spidey wasn't on the other side of the planet he was right there and how much practise has he had nailing flying enemies?
Originally posted by The MISTER
[QUOTE=3986289]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]So she technically had the stats advantage over spiderman, but stats only count when they are in spiderman's favor.
She didn't hit him or touch him so how where her stats negated at all? [/b][/quote]You just answered you own question.
Originally posted by The MISTERYou just don't get it do you?
You must mean that the stats never count to Spidey haters when they're very much in Spidey's favor. (not then but in this fight)
People have said that spidey has a chance at taking out thor.
Rouge and Thors stats are better than spideys. Yet in fights bewteen spidey versus either of them, spidey wins.
"Anybody with stats greater than spidey, spidey still has a chance. Anybody with stats less than spidey doesn't stand a chance."
It's hypocritical.
Originally posted by The MISTER
[QUOTE=3986289]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]And nightcrawler, he couldn't teleport either.
He teleported and got snared as he appeared.[/b][/quote] So now Spidey can see the future and exactly where nightcrawler is going to appear AND then the web nergates his teleportation, why couldn't he teleport out of the webbing?
Originally posted by The MISTERHe couldn't even fricken teleport out of the webbing!
Wolverine got slapped and then proffeser x ended the fight. Why would nightcrawler need to attack again?
Originally posted by The MISTER
[QUOTE=3986289]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]But hey Spidey's in a good light so this is good writing. The other incidents? Spidey was in a bad light so they were all pis/cis.
Spidey is like any other hero and costantly is made to look good and bad. The thing that I like about Spidey is that he doesn't have to go outside of what's believable,[/b][/quote] Negating other people's powers is beleiveable? Having an enhanced precog that rivals Destiny's is beleiveable? Being able to do what other's stronger than him haven't is beleivable?
Originally posted by The MISTERLike an absolute precog ability, and power negation?
[QUOTE=3986289]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B] given his abilities,
Originally posted by The MISTERIncluding those stronger and faster than he is. .. but those slower or weaker than he is stands no chance. Nice double standard you've got going there.
to be nigh untouchable and very dangerous to almost every opponent.
Originally posted by The MISTERAs oppsed to spidey fans who only support things that make spidey look good and call things that make him look bad pis/cis.
[QUOTE=3986289]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B] When he does (like when he ko'ed hulk) I'll acknowledge it though, unlike the trio supporters that take every drawing as evidence of ability.
Originally posted by The MISTERAnd of course only spidey's feats matter. Let's just ignore all that wolverine has taken.
[QUOTE=3986289]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]If a blind person that had someone read the stories of each character to them where to place their opinion here, I don't think that you'd ever convince them that a human can take any unpulled blow from Spidey.
Originally posted by The MISTERObviously wolverine. Since Spiderman has never Ko'd him in one punch.
[QUOTE=3986289]Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]Finally can you explain which one of the trio has more durability than manbeast? Spidey finished him with ONE PUNCH!
Think my reasoning is flawed? Then maybe the manbeast thing is a pis/cis?
Wow what you just posted is hard to read, I agree with you on the stats thing somewhat, I used the superiority ON TOP OF his resourcefullness because spidey is hardly ever shown using the max of any of his abilities. In fact, he loses at first to people who pretty much topple him like Venom, but finds a strategy to go with. He is not a hit trader, and takes advantage of the enemies offensive much like batman. That with his superiority physically, he can avoidt them until he is ready with a tactic and still over powers them. THINKING, OVERWHELMING SPEED, AND STRENGH, WITH UNORTHODOX ABILITIES AND WALL STICKING? Just seems a tad overwhelming in most scenarios.
Creshosk you proved nothing in your response except that you just want to argue with someone (strawman?)
The spidey robot defeated thor by keeping him from his hammer for over 60 seconds....Spidey beat the robot
Rouge doesn't go from 0 to mach speed like superman and Spidey has snagged the torch and other flying opponents...your rebutal was a question like so many of your other weak responses.
Nightcrawlers attack location would be sensed by the spider-sense as it let's Spidey know where ALL danger is COMING FROM... It was just a matter of spraying webbing in that direction....then the fight ended...where did you read that nightcrawler DIDN'T teleport out of the webbing? Nowhere. similar to where most of your points lead.
Like someone said before it was a NON-FIGHT and ended almost as soon as it started. Keep analyzing it and you might prove nothing....Oh damn..too late
I've heard that Captain america ko'ed wolverine with the shield...If that's true then that must mean Cap hits harder than hulk. Beast has embarrased wolverine with agility that is admittedly not on Spideys level and inferior strength. So spidey has a disadvantage against wolverine? Spider-man regularly handles enemies that make wolverine seem safe but now he's suddenly much weaker?
Spider-man is written to ALWAYS hold back so much so that some people aren't even aware of his SUPER strength.....like you. If he can lift ten tons he can kill Cap and DD with brute force using little skill. All he'd have to do is break their neck or spine or skull.
You want to focus on everything but the facts....If wolverine was drawn getting knocked out in a car crash it wouldn't be out of character given his abilities....If hulk collosus or juggernaut were it would be.....Truly wolvy's a cool ass character so he's drawn cool as hell and his abilities are...stretched..but I don't care. I want him to be bad as hell too cause I like him.
But I KNOW MY MARVEL and I know who he doesn't stand a chance against. Spider-man is not one of those but Cap is due to his experience fighting foes who are similar to Wolverine in attack methods. That's where experience and not having to hold back pay off. Spidey doesn't have the same type of experience and holds back but he make's up for that with other abilities that dwarf Cap's, and give him many advantages over wolverine.
to hell with pis and cis because it's just a way for you to scramble out of being reasonable. You're crying about powers that get negated and Spidey has actually LOST ALL his powers and had to fight before. So many times he has gotten hit and his sense just abandoned him SO he could get hit and NO explanation given for the lack of the power. Who cares about minor details in a fight like this where the trio will be a solo unless they stand back to back and then they might get webbed up together. Spidey's good enough to web wolvey and Cap together in such a way that Wolvey will stab cap if he tries to cut himself out. 😮💨
Originally posted by The MISTERAnd you just showed that you know nothing about debate. Oh well. . .
Creshosk you proved nothing in your response except that you just want to argue with someone (strawman?)
Originally posted by The MISTER"Feats and stats only count when they are in spidey's favor." 🙂
The spidey robot defeated thor by keeping him from his hammer for over 60 seconds....Spidey beat the robot
Originally posted by The MISTERYou don't kbnow what sardonic Irony is do you?
Rouge doesn't go from 0 to mach speed like superman and Spidey has snagged the torch and other flying opponents...your rebutal was a question like so many of your other weak responses.
Originally posted by The MISTER
Nightcrawlers attack location would be sensed by the spider-sense as it let's Spidey know where ALL danger is COMING FROM...
Spidey knew where nightcrawler was going to teleport to. You don't think that oversteps spidey's abilities a bit?
Originally posted by The MISTERI guess you don't pay attention do you? 😆 Look at the picture of nightcrawler struggling in the webbing.
It was just a matter of spraying webbing in that direction....then the fight ended...where did you read that nightcrawler DIDN'T teleport out of the webbing? Nowhere. similar to where most of your points lead.
Why would nightcrawler struggle in the webbing when he can teleport out of it? He didn't teleport, he struggled with it. Why didn't he teleport?
Originally posted by The MISTERAnd you wonder why I call you a fanboy. 😖
Like someone said before it was a NON-FIGHT and ended almost as soon as it started. Keep analyzing it and you might prove nothing....Oh damn..too late
Ignoring points doesn't invalidate them.
Originally posted by The MISTERYou heard wrong.
I've heard that Captain america ko'ed wolverine with the shield...
Originally posted by The MISTERJust like wolverine can take punches stronger than Spidey dishes out, but suddenly he can't take a spidey punch (despite having done so on at least three different occasions)
If that's true then that must mean Cap hits harder than hulk. Beast has embarrased wolverine with agility that is admittedly not on Spideys level and inferior strength. So spidey has a disadvantage against wolverine? Spider-man regularly handles enemies that make wolverine seem safe but now he's suddenly much weaker?
Originally posted by The MISTERSpiderman's a liar then. 😄
Spider-man is written to ALWAYS hold back
Originally posted by The MISTEROh so now since I don't agree with you I obviously don't know anything about spiderman.
so much so that some people aren't even aware of his SUPER strength.....like you.
Some people aren't aware of Wolverine's endurance. . . like you.
Originally posted by The MISTERBecause as we all know Cap's Sheild doesn't factor in. . .
If he can lift ten tons he can kill Cap and DD with brute force using little skill. All he'd have to do is break their neck or spine or skull.
Originally posted by The MISTERNo, that'd be you.
You want to focus on everything but the facts....
Originally posted by The MISTER
If wolverine was drawn getting knocked out in a car crash it wouldn't be out of character given his abilities....[quote] 😆 You obviously don't know anything about wolverine. Considering he's been hit harder than a car crash and has stayed concious. Now that it's spiderman wolverine get's knocked out at regular human levels.[QUOTE=3987698]Originally posted by The MISTER
If hulk collosus or juggernaut were it would be.....Truly wolvy's a cool ass character so he's drawn cool as hell and his abilities are...stretched..but I don't care.
You mean like the time an angry collosus hit wolverine and wolverine stayed concious?
Or when Juggernaut did it?
Are you forgetting wolverine first appeared in a HULK comic as an antagonist to the hulk?
Originally posted by The MISTERObviously not as you've forgotten what Logan has survived.
I want him to be bad as hell too cause I like him.But I KNOW MY MARVEL and I know who he doesn't stand a chance against.
Originally posted by The MISTERWhy? No, seriously. Why? Wolverine has not been knowcked out in ANY of his encounters with spiderman, not even when spiderman said he wasn't holding back.
Spider-man is not one of those
Originally posted by The MISTER
but Cap is due to his experience fighting foes who are similar to Wolverine in attack methods. That's where experience and not having to hold back pay off. Spidey doesn't have the same type of experience and holds back but he make's up for that with other abilities that dwarf Cap's, and give him many advantages over wolverine.
Originally posted by The MISTERTo hell with Pis/cis? It's just a way of . . 😆
to hell with pis and cis because it's just a way for you to scramble out of being reasonable. You're crying about powers that get negated and Spidey has actually LOST ALL his powers and had to fight before. So many times he has gotten hit and his sense just abandoned him SO he could get hit and NO explanation given for the lack of the power. Who cares about minor details in a fight like this where the trio will be a solo unless they stand back to back and then they might get webbed up together. Spidey's good enough to web wolvey and Cap together in such a way that Wolvey will stab cap if he tries to cut himself out. 😮💨
Well that places you miles ahead of strawnilla. 🙂
You seriously don't see your bias?
Originally posted by MERCILOUSNah. Spidey's stats say otherwise. So the burden of proof is on you. Find Spidey saying "I'm only a little bit faster than Cap and I'm moving as fast as I can go" or something like that. Let me better clarify how Spidey got the arm off.
Of course your own weight. In your description, Spidey just up and grabs Caps sheild and pulls his arm off, like it's some cheap zombie movie, of course his arm can handle his own weight.If he tried any fancier maneuvers, he'd get KO'd. Spiderman is only a little bit faster than Cap. If you don't agree, Prove it different.
Cap put the shield up. Spidey then grabbed the shield with one hand(he's really just sticking to it) raising it and Caps arm up a bit and rips Caps arm off with his other hand by crushing Cap's shoulder & yanking before Cap can react and then spinning backhand smacks him in the head with his own shield. KO 🙂 DD swings @ Spidey w/the club and misses. Spidey breaks off his forearm as he sprays web in the returning Wolverine's face(covering up the eyes & nose & mouth) Wolverine goes beserk and dices up the already wounded DD who's been web gagged and pushed into Wolvie. Spidey then systematically seperates Wolvie's bones from his body, starting w/the arms. 🙂
You are very articulate but you have only given me more of what I have already seen WOLVERINE AT HIS BEST (which is 99% of the time) I'm not going to agree with you just because you say I'm biased ( And I've never taken a debate class (strawman?) but that doesn't mean that I have trouble expressing myself.)
Spider-man has said many things that don't add up and that's just one of them unless wolverines brain is superhuman. The movie version was knocked unconscious by a bullet and believe it or not MARVEL approved that display of his durability. The strength of Spider-man was also shown accurately as he fought Ock on the train and his durability was shown when he fell off of the train. So you say that the glasses on ock proved Spidey's weakness? 😆
And you talk about my debating skills...lol
Wolverine is extremely durable but his durability on paper skyrockets to whatever's neccesary and when they keep it real in the movie you just dismiss it and counter with some lame argument about glasses that didn't get knocked off.... you made no point (as usual)
Wolverine has limit's so since you're so familiar with him maybe you can tell us what they are....
And I'm truly not biased here I can't see how the trio would win and no-one has come close to even attempting a scenario that would have them win that isn't short as hell and very biased. I don't see them surrounding him and I don't see them confounding him and I have seen him defeat organized teams that were more powerful.
As far as the secret wars fight goes It was obviously pro-spidey writing but Spidey was capable of all the things he did there and maybe nightcrawler was confused for a second. It's not like he was in there for more than a few seconds. ( it's hard to remember) Spidey still lost there though. 😮💨
Originally posted by brainchild81One on one scenerios again wonderful. 😖
Nah. Spidey's stats say otherwise. So the burden of proof is on you. Find Spidey saying "I'm only a little bit faster than Cap and I'm moving as fast as I can go" or something like that. Let me better clarify how Spidey got the arm off.Cap put the shield up. Spidey then grabbed the shield with one hand(he's really just sticking to it) raising it and Caps arm up a bit and rips Caps arm off with his other hand by crushing Cap's shoulder & yanking before Cap can react and then spinning backhand smacks him in the head with his own shield. KO 🙂 DD swings @ Spidey w/the club and misses. Spidey breaks off his forearm as he sprays web in the returning Wolverine's face(covering up the eyes & nose & mouth) Wolverine goes beserk and dices up the already wounded DD who's been web gagged and pushed into Wolvie. Spidey then systematically seperates Wolvie's bones from his body, starting w/the arms. 🙂
Originally posted by The MISTERA strawman is where you take an argument to an extreme in order to attack it and defeat it.
You are very articulate but you have only given me more of what I have already seen WOLVERINE AT HIS BEST (which is 99% of the time) I'm not going to agree with you just because you say I'm biased ( And I've never taken a debate class (strawman?) but that doesn't mean that I have trouble expressing myself.)
Instead of arguing with me, you're arguing with a strawman that you've created to say the points that you think I'm saying.
This is a red herring type of argument that completly ignores what I'm saying.
Like the hippo example. We don't see a hippo being lifted by spiderman, so you've created a strawman of me to say that "because we don't see it it can't happen"
when that's an exageration on what I was saying.
We see Spiderman fail to knock wolverine out, at least three different times.
A better argument from you against what I said would be.
"If we see spiderman fail to lift a hippo three different times in the comics, does that mean he can't?"
Originally posted by The MISTER
Spider-man has said many things that don't add up and that's just one of them unless wolverines brain is superhuman.
Originally posted by The MISTERand it obviously approved of seeing Wolverine not knocked out by spidey cause they did it three different times.
The movie version was knocked unconscious by a bullet and believe it or not MARVEL approved that display of his durability.
The Movie spiderman also couldn't do anything to Doc Oc when he punched him.
The movie world is not the comic book world.
in MU616 when did we ever see wolverine first meet rogue in a bar?
Originally posted by The MISTERWell why couldn't he even crack them, or knock them off?
The strength of Spider-man was also shown accurately as he fought Ock on the train and his durability was shown when he fell off of the train. So you say that the glasses on ock proved Spidey's weakness? 😆
Originally posted by The MISTERYes, yes I do.
And you talk about my debating skills...lol
You also seem to like to pick and choose what pieces of information you want to listen to in something that is consistent.
There are two descrepencies in the spiderman movie, first off with Doc oc taking the punch and not being knocked out AND not doing anything to the sunglasses.
In the Matrix a well place punch shatetred Agent Smith's glasses.
So were Doc oc's glasses adamantium? And why wasn't he knocked out?
Maybe because we should keep the comic world and the movie world's seperate?
Originally posted by The MISTERJust because you don't understand the point I made does not make it less valid. Movie wolverine is not the Comic book wolverine, and neither is the Movie spiderman the comic book spiderman.
Wolverine is extremely durable but his durability on paper skyrockets to whatever's neccesary and when they keep it real in the movie you just dismiss it and counter with some lame argument about glasses that didn't get knocked off.... you made no point (as usual)
Keep them seperate.
Originally posted by The MISTERIn being knocked out? Beyond what Spiderman can acomplish.
Wolverine has limit's so since you're so familiar with him maybe you can tell us what they are....
Originally posted by The MISTERAnd they will never beable to show you a blue flower while you wear those red colored glasses, they make the blue flowers look red.
And I'm truly not biased here I can't see how the trio would win and no-one has come close to even attempting a scenario that would have them win that isn't short as hell and very biased.
Originally posted by The MISTERDid he fight them one on one while the others stood there?
I don't see them surrounding him and I don't see them confounding him and I have seen him defeat organized teams that were more powerful.
Originally posted by The MISTERSo he is capable of predicting where a teleporter will teleport to before they teleport?
As far as the secret wars fight goes It was obviously pro-spidey writing but Spidey was capable of all the things he did there and maybe nightcrawler was confused for a second.
You proved that one fanboy spidey's power about the precog thing.
And why would someone who's teleported there entire hero carrer forget that he can teleport?
Originally posted by The MISTERHe was too in there for more than a few seconds. There was like two panels where he had thought bubbles in the webbing.
It's not like he was in there for more than a few seconds. ( it's hard to remember) Spidey still lost there though. 😮💨
Originally posted by brainchild81
Nah. Spidey's stats say otherwise. So the burden of proof is on you. Find Spidey saying "I'm only a little bit faster than Cap and I'm moving as fast as I can go" or something like that. Let me better clarify how Spidey got the arm off.Cap put the shield up. Spidey then grabbed the shield with one hand(he's really just sticking to it) raising it and Caps arm up a bit and rips Caps arm off with his other hand by crushing Cap's shoulder & yanking before Cap can react and then spinning backhand smacks him in the head with his own shield. KO 🙂 DD swings @ Spidey w/the club and misses. Spidey breaks off his forearm as he sprays web in the returning Wolverine's face(covering up the eyes & nose & mouth) Wolverine goes beserk and dices up the already wounded DD who's been web gagged and pushed into Wolvie. Spidey then systematically seperates Wolvie's bones from his body, starting w/the arms. 🙂
It's not like Spidey doesn't know that Cap is going to throw the shield and if he just waits on it he can catch it with webbing. the makeshift weapons that I spoke of in the Batman thread could work here as well.
Spidey can web up pretty much anyone once and only wolverine could get one of the others out of it so he'd likely be the first to catch more webbing than he could deal with...
Spidey can definitely dismember a human so DD and Cap are screwed unless they can secure an early win...
Spidey doesn't have to be a god to win because these three aren't even close to his abilitie's and wolverine isn't a god either. Blade was amped up and isn't nearly as popular so why would MARVEL make wolverine get knocked out by a bullet if he couldn't? Cause that's true to his character....and movies try to keep things real even if they're fiction. 😮💨
Oh yeah...nice post! 😮💨
Originally posted by The MISTER
The movie version was knocked unconscious by a bullet and believe it or not MARVEL approved that display of his durability.
the movie version has nothing to do with anything. A lot of powers were changed, and a lot of X-men were made weaker to fit the story and plot. Magneto, for example, doesnt need Mystique to inject iron into a guard before he can manipulate that guard- the existing iron is plenty enough. Telepathy is greatly weakened- both Jean and the Prof have much more trouble reading minds, etc. Nightcrawler CAN teleport to places he cant see, he does it all the time in comics.
So its no surprise that Wolverines healing factor was greatly reduced.
Originally posted by The MISTER
It's not like Spidey doesn't know that Cap is going to throw the shield and if he just waits on it he can catch it with webbing. the makeshift weapons that I spoke of in the Batman thread could work here as well.
Spidey can web up pretty much anyone once and only wolverine could get one of the others out of it so he'd likely be the first to catch more webbing than he could deal with...Spidey can definitely dismember a human so DD and Cap are screwed unless they can secure an early win...
Spidey doesn't have to be a god to win because these three aren't even close to his abilitie's and wolverine isn't a god either. Blade was amped up and isn't nearly as popular so why would MARVEL make wolverine get knocked out by a bullet if he couldn't? Cause that's true to his character....and movies try to keep things real even if they're fiction. 😮💨
Oh yeah...nice post! 😮💨
yea, too bad its not movie wolverine vs movie spiderman.
Well you are a good debator Creshosk and like any skilled debator you have done a good job of avoiding the major points. Answer me this...
Is it written anywhere that wolverine heals instantaneously or has access to feats of strength beyound 1000 pnds?
If not then you base your entire argument on your GUESS of what Wolverine can REALLY do.
Spider-man isn't bulletproof, can run out of webbing, and can get knocked out by a hard enough hit to the head. He's beaten the hulk with his strength before but I KNOW that he CAN'T do that. If you just agree blindly with everything your favorite does then you're the biased fanboy
I agreed with jinzin already so your ignorance about where I stand is amazing. I started posting with the idea that everyone fighting would be going all out and at the top of their game. To me that means using their abilities to their utmost and Cap and DD are goners given those rigid conditions. They can only perform within human limitations because no Spidey supporter is going to say "Yeah Cap and DD are superhuman" because they aren't and anyone who's familiar with wolverines TRUE limitations knows that they have been stretched far far beyond what he is credited to have.
Your red glasses analogy doesn't excuse your lack of a scenario and it's obvious that you couldn't come up with one if you tried because it's not like your responses are short so you have the time....but not the ability.
Thanks for the definition on strawman though...really 😄
😮💨
Lets see- in New X-men 114, Wolverine heals from having his flesh burned off. A few issues later, his entire arm is stripped to the bone, all flesh gone, and he heals about halfway within a few panels. He has been shot multiple times and not been affected in the slightest. In Uncanny X-men 424 he gets set on fire and he keeps going, even though his hair and skin are burned off.
Not to mention he has survived having all the adamantium in his body being ripped out by Magneto.
Originally posted by FieryBalrogYou have made a truly good point so I'll agree with that 100% After reading this I remember how disgusted I was about how they portrayed magneto. The movie version did them all injustices, even Wolvy.
the movie version has nothing to do with anything. A lot of powers were changed, and a lot of X-men were made weaker to fit the story and plot. Magneto, for example, doesnt need Mystique to inject iron into a guard before he can manipulate that guard- the existing iron is plenty enough. Telepathy is greatly weakened- both Jean and the Prof have much more trouble reading minds, etc. Nightcrawler CAN teleport to places he cant see, he does it all the time in comics.So its no surprise that Wolverines healing factor was greatly reduced.
But I still don't see how Wolverine is as durable as he is shown to be sometimes and has NO superhuman strength. Cap is stronger but he can't jump as high even though he IS THE peak human. Wolverines mutant abilities don't effect his strength any more than Cyclops' effect's his.
Originally posted by FieryBalrog
Lets see- in New X-men 114, Wolverine heals from having his flesh burned off. A few issues later, his entire arm is stripped to the bone, all flesh gone, and he heals about halfway within a few panels. He has been shot multiple times and not been affected in the slightest. In Uncanny X-men 424 he gets set on fire and he keeps going, even though his hair and skin are burned off.Not to mention he has survived having all the adamantium in his body being ripped out by Magneto.
See that's all very good but it's really just accepted without explanation.....for example healing from having your flesh burned to the bone would require more work from his healing factor than getting the metal ripped off of his bones and that nearly killed him.
I really like wolverine but I want some limits set so I can work with that... So far all I've read about his healing and durability is that they are limited and nowhere near instantaneous sometimes requiring days...
then on the other hand I have his fans saying that he is completely invincible.....very frustrating! 😮💨
Originally posted by The MISTER
See that's all very good but it's really just accepted without explanation.....for example healing from having your flesh burned to the bone would require more work from his healing factor than getting the metal ripped off of his bones and that nearly killed him.I really like wolverine but I want some limits set so I can work with that... So far all I've read about his healing and durability is that they are limited and nowhere near instantaneous sometimes requiring days...
then on the other hand I have his fans saying that he is completely invincible.....very frustrating! 😮💨
it depends on his immune system, and there are limits. After his arm healed, he was meditating for a few days to restore his strength. Also, I think the adamantium getting ripped out would cause quite a bit more damage- it was bonded to his entire frikkin skeleton. If anything would come close to killing him, that would.
His durability isn't unlimited, but its pretty damn insane. Which is why Spiderman could definitely knock him down quite a bit, but Wolvie could definitely survive many hits.
Originally posted by FieryBalrog
it depends on his immune system, and there are limits. After his arm healed, he was meditating for a few days to restore his strength. Also, I think the adamantium getting ripped out would cause quite a bit more damage- it was bonded to his entire frikkin skeleton. If anything would come close to killing him, that would.His durability isn't unlimited, but its pretty damn insane. Which is why Spiderman could definitely knock him down quite a bit, but Wolvie could definitely survive many hits.
Well I'd agree with you there about him not getting knocked out by a punch but if he gets knocked back by a punch and webbed down while he's reeling he'd be stuck and he's not going to get any help from the other two cause they could get trapped as well ( like he did to the enforcers in the ultimates)
I'm not sure but I would think that the damage caused by heat that's hot enough to burn him to the bone would be more than getting every bone shattered into dust and then get stabbed about 30 times (which is the best comparison I could think of for what happened to him) People have survived breaking every bone in their body but nobody has survived getting burned to the skeleton. But what happened to wolvy was very unique because of that bonding so I see what you're saying as well. 😎
😮💨
Actually a bullet ko'ing him wasn't a testament to his regeneration, as he got up right after, and Wolvies regeneration is inconsistent anyways, but one thing is sure, Spidey never shows his true nature, and thats why many don't know, imagine the Spidey we grew up with as a killer snappin knecks and turning heads into pizza.