again mister...you debate semantics.......dramatics? man if you don't like the way comic books are dramaticised maybe you shouldn't read them but go out and make your own instead......the fact is spiderman nor wolverine are supernatural in origin.....if you're debating a "WHAT IF" point such as that....it makes my scans from the what if comics no less credible; it goes full circle....you simply can't debate realism compared to characters that live in a world where no such limits exist..... that said.... what's considered realism fom the perspective of captain america, daredevil, and wolverine, and spiderman is derived from their life expreiences.....if you asked spiderman whether or not he could hold off the juggernaught, he would probably tell you he could because he's done it a couple of times (lucky or not)....if you asked wolverine if he could take on the hulk he would say yes because he's done it with incredible results considering, on 10 or 11 seperate occasions.... if you asked daredevil if he could takes shots from doctor octopus he would say yes because he's done so....if you asked captain america if he could stand up to ultron by himself he would tell you he would probably be able to do it since he's done so before.....none of these characters would give you some answer along the lines of it's an impossibility..... all of these feats are an impossibility to the world that both you and I live in.....and according to things as simple as the stats these should never, ever have even occured....but these characters would never give you an anser along the lines of these feats being an impossibility.....because to these characters it's not.....they are not bound by realism hence why they exist at all.....again I defer to cresh's previous argument of picking and choosing what aspects of a subject should or should not be taken into consideration based on how it reflects the strengths and weaknesses of a particular character....no offense to you...but it truley is hipocritical to do so (pick and choose the aspects I mean).
for instance, you (not you specifically mister, I'm using the term "you" as a generalality) want to debate realism, however you do not want to APPLY realism to all the aspects of each given character... only those aspects that benefit your argument....
If we apply realism to this debate.................as chreshock's already so painfully pointed out to everyone on multiple occasions...spidey simply and utterly doesn't exist, he's either a regular guy who got sick from a spiderbite or a regular guy who didn't get sick because said spider died of radiation poisioning....either way no super powers....
daredevil still exists but his abilities are no where near as impressive...
wolverine being a mutant....probably looks like the kid from deliverence and had no super powers whatsoever....
and captain america would probably just be a smart guy on steroids with standard body armor and a gun instead of a sheild....
but we all know that doesn't bode well with spiderman fans...so it was then argued that realism should only begin to apply to the characters after their origins have been established.....okay for the arguments sake lets give you that one.....
now...everybody's saying that realistically healing factor or not logan would get knocked out by spiderman punches because his healing factor can't compensate for his brain sloshin around in his skull.....(now I've already given multiple occasions where wolverine's been hit by harder faster and more powerful things, fists, etc and survived no problem....as have others, countless others...and I also gave a rather logical explination for how his healing factor probably compensated for his earlier KO's from the likes of sasquatch, eradicator, etc by giving him something reminiscent of homer simpson syndrome as it's not out of his healing factor's abilities to do so, but okay lets play the realism game).
Now this is gonna be repeditive and I apologize.....both for that and the length of this muthafuca but some of these things simply have to be said...again........and again (i guess 😕 )
the argument we the trio supporters are being presented with is that in the real world these guys would die or be seriously injured by spiderman's overall strength factor because their feats of durability mean nothing when storywriting is taken out of the equation and all that's left is the realism that's being fought so hard to be kept here....
this would imply that despite wolverine's mutant physiology he still has human aspects such as the "wolverine getting a concussion" argument would suggest. Another argument was that due to spidermans superhuman physiology and the strength factors of the trio, spiderman wouldn't even be affectef by their blows....
Now my first counter to this was from real life, it being: martial artists are fully capible of producing up to and including 2 thousand pounds of pressure per square inch in a given blow (again...more force than produced in a car wreck)....now we all know that a car wreck has enough force in it to crush a human skull....yet when a similar kick was used against a martial artists ribs in the same research...the ribs did not break. Ribs are some of the weekest bones on the human body, weaker than a human skull, even a strong cough can break a rib or two at any given time, yet this martial artist was able to whether the blow and simply stand up after it occured as if he was fine, because he was fine....But how? how in the real world would a mans ribcage whether a blow that has more exursion force than produced in a car wreck?......this lead me to my next point which was that martial artists have bones which through years of training become a "living armor" if you will.....almost fists of steel capible of sending blows through cement, a 6 foot TALL slab of ice.....punch holes through bricks with single inger strikes....and break 5 tied up baseball bats over their shins.....they are able to do this with little concentration, because over the years of training the bones themselves develop calcium deposits the bones become stronger, denser. The cartalidge that acts as a cusion for the bone's impact becomes harder as well allowing for more power with less chance of injury.....and finally the actuall muscle tissue (not scar tissue which gives the appearance of bulk but actuall mucle fibers and tendons and ligaments) become stronger and tighter allowing for a harder body to take almost as much punishment as it can dish out..... now these tests were done by men of relatively smaller builds....they were nowhere near the strength speed skill and experience of the trio....factor those four aspects into that realism and these guys are far more than your average human off the streets...for more powerful and far more durable......
so then the question is no longer will they even affect spidey with blows......it is now how well can spiderman stand up to a concentrated car wreck.
anyways.....back to the point (sorry for the hella long tangent there), we have had to try and dispute the human characteristics of out characters in a real world scenario while spiderman still retains his spiderman physiology but that's where the fallacy begins to rear it's ugly head....
you see, in spite of parkers hyped up spider physiology there are still aspects about him that are human as well.... if wolverine's getting concussions or KOed dispite his feats then spiderman has to give in to his real world human characteristics as well......In the real world....spiderman's acheles heal so to speak is his bones....even though a spider bite gave him his superpowers and changed his musclar build and reaction time etc...his bones would not be subject to change.... spiderman's done density would not be changed or hardened in anyway due to a radioactive spider bite even if everything else was.....the only thing that can change bone density in such a manner is exaclt how I just described above....through trauma basically....the meaning? spiderman can't hit logan in the head without breaking everybone in his hand, if his bones are no longer able to sustain such hard material he can't back the power of his muscles for a punch...making them pretty much useless against wolverine.....
also due to his realistic anatomy.....spiderman's semi-superior speed will fall useless to spiderman very quickly due to the same reason's that "doubled speed" had to be used so quickly for taskmaster (i.e. every bone shattering in his body due to the force used to move them)...so much for spider speed....
that said.....spiderman can only move fast for so long (which is not long at all) fatigue will make his spider sense fairly useless as well...
ain't realism a *****? 😄