Originally posted by Wanderer259
I didn't. I clearly stated everytime that they need to bounce their respective weapons off of a surface in order to get it back to them. Although I'll attempt to clarify and admit that they can't stand in one place, toss their weapon, and have it come straight back to them.
The likelihood of them even being able to get the weapon back to them is very improbable and based on your rationale, it is very unlikely that the Icon Trio would even use the tools as attack weapons, seeing as how they would make better defensive tools to deflect the biggest threat to them in this battle..that being Spiderman's webbing.
True. I made an assumption and made a mistake because of it.
So can the shield and billy club more effective in long ranged attacks than automatic handgun fire? Of course not.
Versatile in attack, not in use. The shield, for instance, does not have to come in at a straight line, nor does it have to come in with Cap as the source. It can be easily tossed, bounced off of a wall, and sent into an entirely different direction. Can that not muck up Spidey's spider-sense? He's now gotten two warnings sent within second's worth of time, telling him two different directions.
It could muck with the Spider Sense, but that's a really big if theory..that's assuming cap throws the shield at a perfect angle, and throws it with sufficient force to be able to to richout of the wall. And assuming that it poses a significant danger to Spidey to really have his senses get all mucked up. A lot of broad assumptions. Again..your being quite far fetched with this richochet theory...
Except that was a scenario not presented by the thread creator, nor was it agreed to by anyone else participating, but for the sake of debate, Cap and DD's long-range capability is, admittedly, diminished.
The thread originator never specifically state the location of the battle. I thought it necessary to give a setting for my arguments, so there would be no confusion as to what Spider Man or the Trio would be able to do in this battle. It makes sense to have a standard setting for this battle, because many people on this thread like to change their arguments around based on these loosely defined terms. However, if you would like to adhere to the original guideline that this battle take place anywhere, then that's fine, however, keep in mind though that this will more than likely strengthen many of the arguments against the icon Trio.
'Cowardly'? Wouldn't your Spider-strategy of staying 60 feet away from his opponents and just slinging webs all day long at them be just as cowardly?
I don't think so. He's outnumbered. So I believe its the smart thing to do. If the Trio outclass him so overwhelmingly in this battle, why should their be a need to run for cover? Especially three veterans such as Cap/DD/Wolvie.
If he dodges by leaping into the air (which he often does) his super-speed won't help him, as he's in the air. If the shield happens to reflect back into his selected path, he'll get smacked. It's not an infallible strategy by any means, but it's not implausible either.
No it's not infallible but again..it's not very plausible. Jumping up in the air will not negate his movements completely..he's agile enough to contort his body in a direction that could cause the shield to miss. Still, this argument is based on another very implausible one..the ability of Captain America to throw his shield in the right direction, with the right amount of force, and at the right angle, to even have a chance of hitting Spiderman.
Web-lines sent from extreme amounts of distance, which you're trying to suggest here with a 60 foot space between the two opponents, are slow enough for Logan to react accordingly. These aren't even as fast as bullets and all three of the trio have a history of dodging high-speed projectiles. My argument is based on fallacy? You assume Spider-Man's web-lines are fast enough to tag any of the trio from that great a distance.
It's an assumption based on factual evidence..such as spiderman being able to snag with his webbing a speeding goblin glider, a car, a plane, and other similar fast moving objects from great distances with relative ease. I doubt Ol Logan will be any harder to snag than any of these objects. Also keep in mind that Wolverine has already been proven that he himself can be easily snagged by the webbing. Some in this thread have already alluded to Logan being the fastest of the Trio, if this is the case, I see little reason as to why Cap or DD should be any more difficult to snag with a webline than him.
Because if Cap and Daredevil, for example, are attacking him from either side, he'll have to jump in order to evade them. If he tries to take the moment necessary to toss someone with the web-line, he'll get hit. Cap and DD will be on him, because Spider-Man's web-lines can be dodged at great distance - again, he'll have to be closer.
And what hinders him from leaping away from the attacks while they attack? How do we know that he'll get hit? Your assumptions are not based on what we know to be the combatants known abilities..(Spiderman's superspeed/reflexes/sense) He consistently dodges bullets and multiple projectiles all at one time with relative ease, so why will he not be able to dodge things much slower than these objects at one time with relative ease?
Possible? Yes. Likely? No. Toss them into the air? No. At the distance you suggest, all he could do is tug them in his direction.
Do Cap/DD/Wolvie weigh more than a Car? No.
Would SM have more difficulty throwing them up in the air, then he would picking up a car? Of course not..common sense dictates any of the Trio could be easily lobbed quite a good distance by someone as strong as SM.
Leverage? He isn't using strength to break the line, but adamantium claws to cut them. Leverage isn't required so long as he has a limb free, which he will, if distanced like you suggest.
The idea that his limbs will be completely free..is not a given..it's quite possible for him or any other members of the Trio to be completely webbed up..which was what I was alluding to when I mentioned the leverage issue. If Logan, or any of the Trio do not have sufficient leverage to move their arms around, they won't be able to break free of the webbing..real simple common sensical stuff..
True, but Cap is also much faster than Spider-Man in this regard, being a tactical savant and all, wouldn't you agree?
That's speculation..not factual..I believe that many would concur with that particular argument.
In all honesty? Spider-Man. Yet PIS or any other plot-related device has no bearing on these threads. If it did, we would simply state that someone like Wolverine consistently displays the ability to amp his capabilities when faced with an opponent out of his league. Spidey's Deus Ex Machina abilities have no place here unless it's an actual power of his like it is Longshot's.
Using a "PIS" scenario all depends on how we use a particular "plot device" to support an argument, and whether or not the argument can be deemed logical.
For example I could state that SM consistantly does a better job fighting in extreme battles, than he does in relatively laid back ones, because he is more focused and determined at winning during extenuating circumstances.
Weren't you the one that tried refuting plot devices earlier?
Yes I was and I also mentioned that plot devices can be used, as long as logical arguments are used to support them. For example as long a plot device falls withing the characters known abilities or known personality traits, then I believe it's definately appropriate to use it to support a logical argument. SM fighting more seriously when facing overwhelming odds is a very plausible/logical.
Your web-line at distance tactic is flawed. Spider-Man's web-lines aren't fast enough to tag any of the trio at distance, and if he did, he couldn't do anything to them but tug them forward
This point was rebutted above, so I see no need to rebut it again..the webbing is more than capable of snagging any of the combatants in the given scenario, and you have done nothing to prove that it is not. But it has been very nice debating with you. You are quite the debator. You've definately earned my respect. Peace out.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
I didn't. I clearly stated everytime that they need to bounce their respective weapons off of a surface in order to get it back to them. Although I'll attempt to clarify and admit that they can't stand in one place, toss their weapon, and have it come straight back to them.
So it would lose some ability, right?
Originally posted by Wanderer259
Versatile in attack, not in use. The shield, for instance, does not have to come in at a straight line, nor does it have to come in with Cap as the source. It can be easily tossed, bounced off of a wall, and sent into an entirely different direction. Can that not muck up Spidey's spider-sense? He's now gotten two warnings sent within second's worth of time, telling him two different directions.
But spiderman's webbing is more versatile than the shield or club.
Offense, defense, caputre, and travel.
Spiderman can yank himself 50 feet up with one pull, thats VERY useful.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
Except that was a scenario not presented by the thread creator, nor was it agreed to by anyone else participating, but for the sake of debate, Cap and DD's long-range capability is, admittedly, diminished.
Agreed
Originally posted by Wanderer259
'Cowardly'? Wouldn't your Spider-strategy of staying 60 feet away from his opponents and just slinging webs all day long at them be just as cowardly?
This has been covered...
Originally posted by Wanderer259
If he dodges by leaping into the air (which he often does) his super-speed won't help him, as he's in the air. If the shield happens to reflect back into his selected path, he'll get smacked. It's not an infallible strategy by any means, but it's not implausible either.
The force of the hit on rebound would be exceedingly less don't you agree?
Originally posted by Wanderer259
Web-lines sent from extreme amounts of distance, which you're trying to suggest here with a 60 foot space between the two opponents, are slow enough for Logan to react accordingly. These aren't even as fast as bullets and all three of the trio have a history of dodging high-speed projectiles. My argument is based on fallacy? You assume Spider-Man's web-lines are fast enough to tag any of the trio from that great a distance.
Yes and no. The fact that spiderman is EXCEEDINGly accurate with his webbing, and the fact that they come out as a stream changes that.
For example is it easier to hit something with a rock or a squirt gun?
The squirt gun, since it comes out as a stream.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
Because if Cap and Daredevil, for example, are attacking him from either side, he'll have to jump in order to evade them. If he tries to take the moment necessary to toss someone with the web-line, he'll get hit. Cap and DD will be on him, because Spider-Man's web-lines can be dodged at great distance - again, he'll have to be closer.
If we are talking at this distance, than the numbers can be used against them, an opponent can be tossed into another, imagine wolverine's claws going into an opponent at that velocity.
Spiderman can also adhere as a solution to this situation.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
Leverage? He isn't using strength to break the line, but adamantium claws to cut them. Leverage isn't required so long as he has a limb free, which he will, if distanced like you suggest.
Fair enough, but if we were to start at the legs and tug, he'd be off balance long enough to web up.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
Your web-line at distance tactic is flawed. Spider-Man's web-lines aren't fast enough to tag any of the trio at distance, and if he did, he couldn't do anything to them but tug them forward, since he'd be pulling on a 60 foot-long line of cable. He also can't completely 'web-up' anyone at that distance, as his web-lines are just lines when that far away.
He could also swing an object at them, the force from it would be greater than spidermans own punches.
Originally posted by Creshosk
He managed to cut himself free from that picture of him webbed up that keeps going around.By carefully using the elasticity of the webbing he managed to gain enough leverage to cut his head out of the way of cutting his arms free . . . and by slowly gaining more leverage, and using the little he had to begin with, he managed to get free.
Yea, but it took him a good deal of time. That wasn't all done in 30 seconds. That probably took him more like several minutes (probably around 10 or more) since he had to slowly and carefully use the elasticity of the webbing to get himself out. Yes, he did it. But it took him a good deal of time in terms of a fight.
With Wolverine out for around 10 minutes--Hell, I'll even give you 5 just to make things more interesting--that gives a huge advantage to Spiderman to take on the other two without Wolverine. And Spidey has definitely been shown to be able to handle two opponents much better than three (though he can still do it), so this would just play right into Spidey's hands.
Originally posted by MetalmanxWell we don't know how long it was, could have been quick, could have been short. . .
Yea, but it took him a good deal of time. That wasn't all done in 30 seconds. That probably took him more like several minutes (probably around 10 or more) since he had to slowly and carefully use the elasticity of the webbing to get himself out. Yes, he did it. But it took him a good deal of time in terms of a fight.With Wolverine out for around 10 minutes--Hell, I'll even give you 5 just to make things more interesting--that gives a huge advantage to Spiderman to take on the other two without Wolverine. And Spidey has definitely been shown to be able to handle two opponents much better than three (though he can still do it), so this would just play right into Spidey's hands.
Part of the problem would be webbing him up while the other two are still active. Because it'd also take attantion to web him up like that. . . in the mean time while he's focusing on Wolverine he leaves himself open. . . In which time the other two could attack (trigger the spidey sense, and if he reacts the effort of webbing wolverine up is halted)
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Yea, but it took him a good deal of time. That wasn't all done in 30 seconds. That probably took him more like several minutes (probably around 10 or more) since he had to slowly and carefully use the elasticity of the webbing to get himself out. Yes, he did it. But it took him a good deal of time in terms of a fight.With Wolverine out for around 10 minutes--Hell, I'll even give you 5 just to make things more interesting--that gives a huge advantage to Spiderman to take on the other two without Wolverine. And Spidey has definitely been shown to be able to handle two opponents much better than three (though he can still do it), so this would just play right into Spidey's hands.
He works well against multiple opponents, he's built for it, its common knowledge...
The likelihood of them even being able to get the weapon back to them is very improbable and based on your rationale, it is very unlikely that the Icon Trio would even use the tools as attack weapons, seeing as how they would make better defensive tools to deflect the biggest threat to them in this battle..that being Spiderman's webbing.
I almost whole-heartidly agree. If I were Cap or DD, I'd rather hold onto my weapons, as they're admittedly more effective at short-medium range.
It could muck with the Spider Sense, but that's a really big if theory..that's assuming cap throws the shield at a perfect angle, and throws it with sufficient force to be able to to richout of the wall. And assuming that it poses a significant danger to Spidey to really have his senses get all mucked up. A lot of broad assumptions. Again..your being quite far fetched with this richochet theory...
I'm not being far-fetched, as this is a technique Cap employs on a regular basis - ricochet trick-shots ala Hawkeye with an arrow. Have you really never seen this done?
Whether or not the shield will 'pose a significant danger to Spidey' isn't an issue here, as his spider-sense picks up on everything, including tosses snowballs. If Peter, in his flawed, human-like discretion, decides that whatever he's feeling isn't worth dodging, he'll get winged in the head by a flying adamantium shield.
The thread originator never specifically state the location of the battle. I thought it necessary to give a setting for my arguments, so there would be no confusion as to what Spider Man or the Trio would be able to do in this battle. It makes sense to have a standard setting for this battle, because many people on this thread like to change their arguments around based on these loosely defined terms. However, if you would like to adhere to the original guideline that this battle take place anywhere, then that's fine, however, keep in mind though that this will more than likely strengthen many of the arguments against the icon Trio.
Your desert scenario already made things worse against the trio.
It's an assumption based on factual evidence..such as spiderman being able to snag with his webbing a speeding goblin glider, a car, a plane, and other similar fast moving objects from great distances with relative ease. I doubt Ol Logan will be any harder to snag than any of these objects. Also keep in mind that Wolverine has already been proven that he himself can be easily snagged by the webbing. Some in this thread have already alluded to Logan being the fastest of the Trio, if this is the case, I see little reason as to why Cap or DD should be any more difficult to snag with a webline than him.
I've never seen him tag the goblin glider when it wasn't right there flying by. Bear in mind, a gigantic flying gargoyle, a plane, and a car are all much bigger, much less maneuverable targets than three nimble heroes.
I'm not debating whether or not Logan can be hit. At a closer distance, Spider-Man very well can do so. However, at the distance you suggest, of 60 feet, I think he'll have a harder time.
And what hinders him from leaping away from the attacks while they attack? How do we know that he'll get hit? Your assumptions are not based on what we know to be the combatants known abilities..(Spiderman's superspeed/reflexes/sense) He consistently dodges bullets and multiple projectiles all at one time with relative ease, so why will he not be able to dodge things much slower than these objects at one time with relative ease?
The question wasn't whether or not Spidey will be hit. It's whether or not he'll be fast enough to tug someone and then dodge. In order to evade, his focus will have been broken, allowing his target to escape.
Do Cap/DD/Wolvie weigh more than a Car? No.
Would SM have more difficulty throwing them up in the air, then he would picking up a car? Of course not..common sense dictates any of the Trio could be easily lobbed quite a good distance by someone as strong as SM.
No, no, pay attention. He has snagged someone with a 60 foot-long web-line. He has never just 'tossed' a car into the air with a web-line before. Ever. Were DD snagged by a line, Spidey could only tug him forward.
The idea that his limbs will be completely free..is not a given..it's quite possible for him or any other members of the Trio to be completely webbed up..which was what I was alluding to when I mentioned the leverage issue. If Logan, or any of the Trio do not have sufficient leverage to move their arms around, they won't be able to break free of the webbing..real simple common sensical stuff..
At a 60 foot distance? How is Spider-man going to completely web up anyone with one or two lines, even when up close? Common sense would dictate that he can't.
Using a "PIS" scenario all depends on how we use a particular "plot device" to support an argument, and whether or not the argument can be deemed logical.For example I could state that SM consistantly does a better job fighting in extreme battles, than he does in relatively laid back ones, because he is more focused and determined at winning during extenuating circumstances.
Better explained. Except that's as open to interpretation as Cap being 'faster on the draw' with tactical thinking.
This point was rebutted above, so I see no need to rebut it again..the webbing is more than capable of snagging any of the combatants in the given scenario, and you have done nothing to prove that it is not. But it has been very nice debating with you. You are quite the debator. You've definately earned my respect. Peace out.
At that great a distance? It's much harder. And if they are hit, all Spidey can do is yank or drag them towards him. He cannot toss them to either side nor jerk them up into the air. The web-line is similar to a steel cable, but not to a steel beam - the line is simply far too long. Not to mention, at that great of a distance, he cannot completely web anyone up.
Thank you, and you are too. Haven't had to flex like this before and you've definitely earned mine as well.
So it would lose some ability, right?
Not at all. All I meant was that Cap would have to move to where the shield is going in order to retrieve, but he's done that many times. Maybe my wording was wrong when I said he could simply bounce it back to him. He can... in a way.
The force of the hit on rebound would be exceedingly less don't you agree?
Apparently not.
Yes and no. The fact that spiderman is EXCEEDINGly accurate with his webbing, and the fact that they come out as a stream changes that.For example is it easier to hit something with a rock or a squirt gun?
The squirt gun, since it comes out as a stream.
Actually, that's flawed logic, seeing as how as it's stream-like nature, it has to be shot in an arc in order to gain distance. Spidey's good, but not that good to tag anything bigger than building with an arced shot. He'll have to get closer.
If we are talking at this distance, than the numbers can be used against them, an opponent can be tossed into another, imagine wolverine's claws going into an opponent at that velocity.Spiderman can also adhere as a solution to this situation.
See above. He'll be too busy trying to toss his snagged opponent and dodge to do much of anything other than evade what's coming.
Adhering to the floor, which is where he'd be at in this situation, would do nothing other than let himself get smacked across the head.
Fair enough, but if we were to start at the legs and tug, he'd be off balance long enough to web up.
Not at the distance previously suggested. That would give Wolvie enough time to respond and slice the length of webbing. Spidey will have to get closer.
He could also swing an object at them, the force from it would be greater than spidermans own punches.
This wasn't exactly being debated, but this is true. Keep in mind it's not like TK, however: he cannot simply project a web-line and then move his arm to point at wherever he wants the object in question to go and have it go there. He'll have to snag it, with a relatively short line, swing it around, and then chuck it.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
I almost whole-heartidly agree. If I were Cap or DD, I'd rather hold onto my weapons, as they're admittedly more effective at short-medium range.
Agreed as well, they would have better applications and uses, rather than taking a chance, paritcularly for Cap.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
I'm not being far-fetched, as this is a technique Cap employs on a regular basis - ricochet trick-shots ala Hawkeye with an arrow. Have you really never seen this done?
He does it yes, but on the rebound it is more susceptible to be dodged or captured, and what is the assumed distance of this throw?
Originally posted by Wanderer259
Whether or not the shield will 'pose a significant danger to Spidey' isn't an issue here, as his spider-sense picks up on everything, including tosses snowballs. If Peter, in his flawed, human-like discretion, decides ]that whatever he's feeling isn't worth dodging, he'll get winged in the head by a flying adamantium shield.
Now if we are talking about him fighting to the best of his abilities, I'd think he'd know the power of Cap's indestructable shield enough to dodge it.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
I've never seen him tag the goblin glider when it wasn't right there flying by. Bear in mind, a gigantic flying gargoyle, a plane, and a car are all much bigger, much less maneuverable targets than three nimble heroes.
Fair enough, but at the same time, this alone DOES speak for the stopping power of his webbing.
Peter is VERY coordinated, and has precisley hit VERY small targets on the move.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
I'm not debating whether or not Logan can be hit. At a closer distance, Spider-Man very well can do so. However, at the distance you suggest, of 60 feet, I think he'll have a harder time.
Agreed, but logan would offer no retailiation.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
The question wasn't whether or not Spidey will be hit. It's whether or not he'll be fast enough to tug someone and then dodge. In order to evade, his focus will have been broken, allowing his target to escape.
The brief moment he spends dodging, wouldn't be sufficient enough for his opponents to "break free", not at their strength.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
No, no, pay attention. He has snagged someone with a 60 foot-long web-line. He has never just 'tossed' a car into the air with a web-line before. Ever. Were DD snagged by a line, Spidey could only tug him forward.
Seeing as the webbing IS stronger than him, he is capable of doing so, and considering the fact that he has webbed up and grabbed a car with one hand says that also very well.
Now if you factor in the fact that the webbing is used to SUPERHUMANLY pull him UP, and swing him all the time, would you not say that his webbing is strong enough to do the prior.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
At a 60 foot distance? How is Spider-man going to completely web up anyone with one or two lines, even when up close? Common sense would dictate that he can't.
I wouldn't disagree here for the most part, but he needs only to web what would cancel the leverage to break the webbing, I.E arms hands joints, etc.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
Better explained. Except that's as open to interpretation as Cap being 'faster on the draw' with tactical thinking.
Id' also say spiderman is an on the fly thinker as well, he uses his instincts, whereas cap relies on tactical thought, instinct comes faster.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
At that great a distance? It's much harder. And if they are hit, all Spidey can do is yank or drag them towards him. He cannot toss them to either side nor jerk them up into the air. The web-line is similar to a steel cable, but not to a steel beam - the line is simply far too long. Not to mention, at that great of a distance, he cannot completely web anyone up.
If he's yanking them TO him, and changes direction, the inertia is still there, the inertia of superhuman strength, that the trio can't cancel, having insufficient strength. Once it is enacted a simple flick of the wrist would change direction, and cause them to still be yanked, even if its not right to the side.
I do agree with whob, I do like debating your posts, you always bring something new in.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
Not at all. All I meant was that Cap would have to move to where the shield is going in order to retrieve, but he's done that many times. Maybe my wording was wrong when I said he could simply bounce it back to him. He can... in a way.Actually, that's flawed logic, seeing as how as it's stream-like nature, it has to be shot in an arc in order to gain distance. Spidey's good, but not that good to tag anything bigger than building with an arced shot. He'll have to get closer.
See above. He'll be too busy trying to toss his snagged opponent and dodge to do much of anything other than evade what's coming.
Adhering to the floor, which is where he'd be at in this situation, would do nothing other than let himself get smacked across the head.
Not at the distance previously suggested. That would give Wolvie enough time to respond and slice the length of webbing. Spidey will have to get closer.
This wasn't exactly being debated, but this is true. Keep in mind it's not like TK, however: he cannot simply project a web-line and then move his arm to point at wherever he wants the object in question to go and have it go there. He'll have to snag it, with a relatively short line, swing it around, and then chuck it.
I kind of answered this in another post, no need to double post, I gotta go anyways, just ignore this one...
Now if we are talking about him fighting to the best of his abilities, I'd think he'd know the power of Cap's indestructable shield enough to dodge it.
Look at the question. He's wondering whether or not the shield is enough of a danger to muck up Spidey's senses. It doesn't matter, because his sense picks up on everything. Since the danger is being brought into question, however, if Spidey does the same thing and doubts how much danger he's in, he'll get hit.
Fair enough, but at the same time, this alone DOES speak for the stopping power of his webbing.Peter is VERY coordinated, and has precisley hit VERY small targets on the move.
Stopping power?
True, he has, but it'll be significantly more difficult at this distance when coupled with all three of the trio's skills with agility.
Agreed, but logan would offer no retailiation.
Not the point.
The brief moment he spends dodging, wouldn't be sufficient enough for his opponents to "break free", not at their strength.
They don't have to break the webbing, but peel it off where it adheres. I've seen much weaker men than any of these three do this very thing.
Seeing as the webbing IS stronger than him, he is capable of doing so, and considering the fact that he has webbed up and grabbed a car with one hand says that also very well.Now if you factor in the fact that the webbing is used to SUPERHUMANLY pull him UP, and swing him all the time, would you not say that his webbing is strong enough to do the prior.
If he's yanking them TO him, and changes direction, the inertia is still there, the inertia of superhuman strength, that the trio can't cancel, having insufficient strength. Once it is enacted a simple flick of the wrist would change direction, and cause them to still be yanked, even if its not right to the side.
No, dude, physics just don't work like that. The webbing has too much slack for Spidey to 'flick his wrist' and send his snagged opponent anywhere but back to him. If the webbing was rigid, he could do this, but it isn't.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
Whether or not the shield will 'pose a significant danger to Spidey' isn't an issue here, as his spider-sense picks up on everything, including tosses snowballs. If Peter, in his flawed, human-like discretion, decides that whatever he's feeling isn't worth dodging, he'll get winged in the head by a flying adamantium shield.
Not many know this, and I'm mad at myself for not bringing it up earlier, but Spiderman has different levels of his Spidersense, otherwise, he'd be jumping around everytime a bee was about to sting him. There have been many comic instances when many things are happening to Spidey at once, and using his spidersense, he is able to determine which ones are the real threat. The buzzing that he gets is EXCEEDINGLY intensified if something really dangerous is about to happen, unlike if someone was throwing a snowball at him.
Not many know this, and I'm mad at myself for not bringing it up earlier, but Spiderman has different levels of his Spidersense, otherwise, he'd be jumping around everytime a bee was about to sting him. There have been many comic instances when many things are happening to Spidey at once, and using his spidersense, he is able to determine which ones are the real threat. The buzzing that he gets is EXCEEDINGLY intensified if something really dangerous is about to happen, unlike if someone was throwing a snowball at him.
This is true and I'm well aware, but that doesn't change the fact that the danger the shield poses was being questioned as something Spidey might write off.
Originally posted by Wanderer259
Look at the question. He's wondering whether or not the shield is enough of a danger to muck up Spidey's senses. It doesn't matter, because his sense picks up on everything. Since the danger is being brought into question, however, if Spidey does the same thing and doubts how much danger he's in, he'll get hit.Stopping power?
True, he has, but it'll be significantly more difficult at this distance when coupled with all three of the trio's skills with agility.
Not the point.
They don't have to break the webbing, but peel it off where it adheres. I've seen much weaker men than any of these three do this very thing.
No, dude, physics just don't work like that. The webbing has too much slack for Spidey to 'flick his wrist' and send his snagged opponent anywhere but back to him. If the webbing was rigid, he could do this, but it isn't.
No you missed the point on the last post, I will clear it up, I wasn't saying that he could "flick" him in any direction he chose.
You said yank as in pull him to you, if he is on my way to me, and I change the direction, the inertia is still intact, meaning he would fly in that direction, that was my point.
The shield however, is between you and whob, I was thinking that you were saying another thing, but you are talking mucking the spidersense, no he couldn't, BUT, he'd still be able to dodge it, the shield is a big enough factor for him to dodge.
Also you are saying 60ft is too far for him, I disagree, peter is and has been more than capable of nailing targets at that distance. Its only the 20 yard line on a football field, not that far at all.
Originally posted by Superman 24
I still have no clue on this match. it is possible for Spiderman to win, but I don't know how much. Out of 10 what do you give him
Still debatable, I'm not sure, going by extreme methods its possible, by just running and bashing, I'd say 3, that wouldn't be his best option.
I never really thought of it, I wasn't arguing who would win, as much as, how peter COULD win, since there's no reason he can't.