Originally posted by Creshosk
Trust me I know all about reflexes and reaction times, I'm a twitchy little bastard.
I would school you so hard in the N64 version.
No doubts about that at all.
Anyway, we both seem to be under two different beliefs here.
I believe that Spiderman has already superhuman reflexes, 15-20x peak human. Then he has the spider sense to react even faster than an action.
You seem to be believe that his reaction time/reflexes come from the spider sense.
I'm sure I'm not going to be able to convince you, and I've accepted this.
The point is, that Spidey is still leages faster/quicker/more responsive than all three of the Trio combined. Going all out with multiple targets, he could easily attack all three in one fluid motion, just like how he takes out roomfulls of trained guards. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that the Trio would go down that easily, but the concept remains the same. Spidey would probably have to do it several times, with Wolverine being the only one standing afterwards. And then he can concentrate soley on him, perhaps webbing him first to slow him down. There are many scenarios.
But, ya know, that's just me.
This thread is ridiculous. Spidey would win. Cap and Wolverine goes down first due to the danger posed by their weapons. A shield and claws.
Wolverine's healing ability won't save him in this fight. All it does is assure that afterwards, he'll heal up fine. He can be knocked out. All the h.factor does is assure that it won't be permanent. Simple. So cap and wolvie are down n out. DD is last, but he's agile and ready so he puts up the best fight yet. But inevitably, he goes down too. End of story. yall been watching the XMen movies too much.
Originally posted by MetalmanxNu uh. . . 😉
I would school you so hard in the N64 version.
I learned a nasty little secret about my faveorite character, no lag between linking the attacks, and I'd already be in your bounding box. 😆 😈
Originally posted by MetalmanxHis reflexes are what puts his reaction into action. His superhuman reflexes and spidersense allow him to dodge machine gun fire. Either one alone would be insufficient to do the trick.
No doubts about that at all.Anyway, we both seem to be under two different beliefs here.
I believe that Spiderman has already superhuman reflexes, 15-20x peak human. Then he has the spider sense to react even faster than an action.
You seem to be believe that his reaction time/reflexes come from the spider sense.
Without the spider sense he wouldn't start reacting before the danger, he'd have to start reacting after he became aware of it which might be too late.
Without the reflexes the Spidersense isn't going to help weither, cause that just creates the whole "knowing something but being unable to do anything about it" category. Its the combination that makes him awesome.
Originally posted by MetalmanxUnfrotunatley the trio aren't exactly just trained guards, as they could also take out the guards,
I'm sure I'm not going to be able to convince you, and I've accepted this.The point is, that Spidey is still leages faster/quicker/more responsive than all three of the Trio combined. Going all out with multiple targets, he could easily attack all three in one fluid motion, just like how he takes out roomfulls of trained guards. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that the Trio would go down that easily, but the concept remains the same. Spidey would probably have to do it several times, with Wolverine being the only one standing afterwards. And then he can concentrate soley on him, perhaps webbing him first to slow him down. There are many scenarios.
But, ya know, that's just me.
Going h2h is not the best idea.
Originally posted by UniOmni
This thread is ridiculous. Spidey would win. Cap and Wolverine goes down first due to the danger posed by their weapons. A shield and claws.
Wolverine's healing ability won't save him in this fight. All it does is assure that afterwards, he'll heal up fine. He can be knocked out. All the h.factor does is assure that it won't be permanent. Simple. So cap and wolvie are down n out. DD is last, but he's agile and ready so he puts up the best fight yet. But inevitably, he goes down too. End of story. yall been watching the XMen movies too much.
orrrrr you haven't been reading enough comic books... WOLVERINE HAS YET to be knocked out by spiderman! ..😠
Originally posted by UniOmniYou mean like it did in each of their previous fights? Suddenly its negated? Why is that?
This thread is ridiculous. Spidey would win. Cap and Wolverine goes down first due to the danger posed by their weapons. A shield and claws.
Wolverine's healing ability won't save him in this fight.
Originally posted by UniOmniIt takes more than Spiderman has to offer to do it though.
All it does is assure that afterwards, he'll heal up fine. He can be knocked out.
Originally posted by UniOmniSimple and incorrect.
All the h.factor does is assure that it won't be permanent. Simple.
Originally posted by UniOmniNo, you have been watching the movies too much, and not reading enough comic books, as you haven't read any of their encounters. . .
So cap and wolvie are down n out. DD is last, but he's agile and ready so he puts up the best fight yet. But inevitably, he goes down too. End of story. yall been watching the XMen movies too much.
Actually, i do read comics. The point is, in this thread, they fight to the maximum of their abilities. And if thats the case, they are simply outclassed. Accept it. He's their strength multiplied, and faster than any could hope to be. Whats there to argue?? Yall downplay spidey will giving the others all the confidence. Truth is, Spidey doesn't hit in his comics as hard as he can, especially if he's fighting someone on the low end of the heirarchy. He can punch through concrete without effort. Do you think that if he truly hit cap or wolvie without reserve they'd just shrug it off? Nahh, they'd be through walls and seeing stars. Wolvies heal factor doesn't mean he can't be hurt. It just means that he will recover from it. How hard is that to accept? At best, they're just peak humans fighting a superhuman. And if someone brings up another Hulk/Wolvie point i'll scream!! When written correctly, one punch from greenie guns will send the little hairball outta town.........Literally!! Spidey wins. Geezeeeee!!!
Fanboys should be shot into orbit.
^ So in that pic where Spidey says that hes hitting Wolverine with everything hes got, hes lying?
I do agree with you on the point that if Spiderman does connect with a fully powered blow against Daredevil or Cap(if he isnt blocking), hed most likely kill them.
I have a question though. What happens if Spiderman gets hit with a death touch or something of the like? Or even stabbed by Wolverine for that matter? Or hit in the head with Caps shield?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Nu uh. . . 😉I learned a nasty little secret about my faveorite character, no lag between linking the attacks, and I'd already be in your bounding box. 😆 😈
His reflexes are what puts his reaction into action. His superhuman reflexes and spidersense allow him to dodge machine gun fire. Either one alone would be insufficient to do the trick.
Without the spider sense he wouldn't start reacting before the danger, he'd have to start reacting after he became aware of it which might be too late.
Without the reflexes the Spidersense isn't going to help weither, cause that just creates the whole "knowing something but being unable to do anything about it" category. Its the combination that makes him awesome.Unfrotunatley the trio aren't exactly just trained guards, as they could also take out the guards,
Going h2h is not the best idea.
Huh? What do you mean a nasty little secret? Who do you use in the N64 version?
Anyway, I do somewhat agree with your post. For things as uber fast as machine gun fire and things of that nature, yes, Spiderman requires both his spider sense and his superhuman reflexes. I won't deny that.
But things like a fist coming at his fast from either Cap, Wolvie, or DD, could be completely dodged using just his superhuman reflexes alone, without the spider sense's help in the slightest. The same for any sort of thrown projectile by the Trio. It would just be too slow, Spidey would only need his superhuman reflexes to dodge it.
Anything faster, and yea, he'll need both.
I agree, in some cases, he does need one with the other.
Going hand to hand would end the fight even quicker. Honestly, Cap and DD can be knocked out considerably easy. Note, I never said one hit. Just much easier than say Wolverine.
And then there's the webbing. If he gets anywhere close to them, his webbing will be near impossible to dodge. Two of them would be completely incapacitated. And, depending on how he's webbed, Wolverine could be as well.
so an answer to your question is yes.. wolverine can shrug full force spidey hits with a smile at that...
and if we are using each of these characters to the fullest of their abilities.. any one of these guys only needs one hit to kill spiderman....
wolverine at his best downs ogun, sabes, deathstrike, and shingen in 4 seconds....
that's not an argument in spidey's favor..
Originally posted by jrodslam
^ So in that pic where Spidey says that hes hitting Wolverine with everything hes got, hes lying?I do agree with you on the point that if Spiderman does connect with a fully powered blow against Daredevil or Cap(if he isnt blocking), hed most likely kill them.
I have a question though. What happens if Spiderman gets hit with a death touch or something of the like? Or even stabbed by Wolverine for that matter? Or hit in the head with Caps shield?
He would die from a death touch most likely, and depending on where he's stabbed, probably die. And he would get a nasty bruise on his head from the shield.
But this is beside the point. They're not going to hit him with anything like that.
He freakin dodges all four of Ock's superfast tentacles on a regular basis. He's NOT going to be hit by claws, a hand, or a shield. Not by these guys.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
You know, it's funny. I've been thinking about that Spiderman-punching-Wolverine-in-face-against-tombstone-scene.If Spidey were truly going all out...why was the tombstone still standing?
I mean, earlier, Spidey EFFORTLESSLY demolished a brick chimney. And then just breaking a tombstone is impossible?
Clearly, Spiderman (who's able to easily lift cars, train cars, break through steel, cement, brick, etc.) was not going anywhere near all out when punching Wolverine. If he was, that tombstone behind Wolvie's head would've shatter.
And yet, it remained standing. Not a very great representation of one's true strength, eh?
It seems that Spidey was holding back even more than Wolvie was toying with him.
Originally posted by MetalmanxSame one I use in the GC version. 😉[/b][/quote]
Huh? What do you mean a nasty little secret? Who do you use in the N64 version?
Originally posted by MetalmanxBecause that's what we're talking about with Spiderman's reaction time. he reacts before the danger due to the Spidersense. That is all really. The enhanced reflexes don't help him react sooner, they help him react faster, after he starts to react.
Anyway, I do somewhat agree with your post. For things as uber fast as machine gun fire and things of that nature, yes, Spiderman requires both his spider sense and his superhuman reflexes. I won't deny that.
Originally posted by MetalmanxExcept there is three of them, and they can come at him from three different angles, including outside of his non-enhanced periphrial vision.
But things like a fist coming at his fast from either Cap, Wolvie, or DD, could be completely dodged using just his superhuman reflexes alone, without the spider sense's help in the slightest.
Originally posted by MetalmanxUnless he couldn't see it, and the fact that there could be multiple. dodging one into the other isn't going to help him.
The same for any sort of thrown projectile by the Trio. It would just be too slow, Spidey would only need his superhuman reflexes to dodge it.
Originally posted by MetalmanxOr more threats than one.
Anything faster, and yea, he'll need both.
Originally posted by Metalmanxexcept that there are three threats simultaneously. That is going to narrow his window of oppertunity.
Going hand to hand would end the fight even quicker. Honestly, Cap and DD can be knocked out considerably easy. Note, I never said one hit. Just much easier than say Wolverine.
Originally posted by MetalmanxExcept that DD as shown would be a bit harder to hit in the first place, and the webbing isn't very effctive on vibranium, easist to put into the webbing is the hardest to keep there. and again, with the three of them, and each of them only needing to worry about the singular threat of spiderman, it's not going to be quite as easy as that. though the webbing is probably his safest bet.
And then there's the webbing. If he gets anywhere close to them, his webbing will be near impossible to dodge. Two of them would be completely incapacitated. And, depending on how he's webbed, Wolverine could be as well.