All of you who think that Spider-man would beat these guys at the same time are seriously on something. We're talking about three of the best fighters in Marvel here! They would absolutely pulverize him. Anybody who thinks otherwise is either underestimating Wolverine/Captain America/Daredevil or overestimating Spider-man!
Damn man..... imagine you could move around 20 times faster than other people, not to mention that you're around 100 times stronger than they are.... do you seriously think three people are going to cause you a problem?
Of course Spider-Man wins this
So Cap, DD and Wolvy are better trained.... so what?
Think of it like this:
Gary Kasparov (the chess champion guy) can beat pretty much everyone at chess.. he's the best... he's the Captain America of chess.... but if I were to play against him and i got to make 15 moves to his every 1 move i'd utterly annihilate the guy... 3 Kasparov's... i still get 5 to 1 on moves... still an easy win
Same thing here, it's not a difficult concept to grasp... i can't believe how many of you guys just don't (or wont) accept it
Is it just a case of pride? you don't want to admit you were wrong even though it's clear to anyone who looks at the situation objectively?
Damn!
Originally posted by Master Dan
Damn man..... imagine you could move around 20 times faster than other people, not to mention that you're around 100 times stronger than they are.... do you seriously think three people are going to cause you a problem?Of course Spider-Man wins this
So Cap, DD and Wolvy are better trained.... so what?
Think of it like this:
Gary Kasparov (the chess champion guy) can beat pretty much everyone at chess.. he's the best... he's the Captain America of chess.... but if I were to play against him and i got to make 15 moves to his every 1 move i'd utterly annihilate the guy... 3 Kasparov's... i still get 5 to 1 on moves... still an easy win
Same thing here, it's not a difficult concept to grasp... i can't believe how many of you guys just don't (or wont) accept it
Is it just a case of pride? you don't want to admit you were wrong even though it's clear to anyone who looks at the situation objectively?
Damn!
You know...surprisingly, that analogy actually made some sense. Not a bad way at all to describe the situation.
Anyway. Yea, Spider-Man would win. He has everything it takes (in leagues even) to defeat this team the majority of the time.
Honestly, my day is now made since someone bumped this thread. I remember spending many an hour on this particular thread.
Originally posted by Accel
The trio takes him down. Yeah, he'll make them fight for it, but in the end, he's going to get beat.
I completely agree
With Master Dan:
Originally posted by Master Dan
Damn man..... imagine you could move around 20 times faster than other people, not to mention that you're around 100 times stronger than they are.... do you seriously think three people are going to cause you a problem?Of course Spider-Man wins this
So Cap, DD and Wolvy are better trained.... so what?
Think of it like this:
Gary Kasparov (the chess champion guy) can beat pretty much everyone at chess.. he's the best... he's the Captain America of chess.... but if I were to play against him and i got to make 15 moves to his every 1 move i'd utterly annihilate the guy... 3 Kasparov's... i still get 5 to 1 on moves... still an easy win
Same thing here, it's not a difficult concept to grasp... i can't believe how many of you guys just don't (or wont) accept it
Is it just a case of pride? you don't want to admit you were wrong even though it's clear to anyone who looks at the situation objectively?
Damn!
Cap, DD and Wolvy are three great street level fighters...... but Spider-Man is a class above them all
They would literally appear to be moving in slow motion next to Spidey
If the three of them teamed up on Carnage he would murder them all, yet Spider-Man puts up a great fight against him on every occasion, the bloodlust here is irrelevant
The biggest factors here are speed & strength and Spider-Man is leaps and bounds above these three in those (and almost every other) catagory
Originally posted by Master DanIs it just a case of pride? you don't want to admit you were wrong even though it's clear to anyone who looks at the situation objectively?
Damn!
Are you kidding me? Maybe you're the proud one that can't look at this situation without acting like a complete fanboy.
Wolverine pretty much has a winning record against Spiderman. Daredevil has been able to hold his own against Spiderman on several occasions. Both of these threads have been made individually, Wolvie Vs. Spiderman and Daredevil Vs. Spiderman. The debates raged for pages. I'm not sure of the existance of a Captain America Vs. Spiderman thread, but I guarantee you that if it were made, it would also be debated for hundred of replies.
And you are going to tell me that Spiderman crushes the three with EASE? When any ONE of them has been shown to be able to match him?
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PLEASE!
Could Spiderman take any of them individually for a majority? Probably. Maybe. It's been debated (to death), but THREE SIMULTANEOUSLY?
😮💨 That must not be tobacco in your smoke, and even Marijuanna never deluded me THAT much. You gotta be on crack, my friend.
Just because things are debated to death doesn't mean ... well.... anything
I know people (somewhat uninformed people) that would rate Beasts chances against the Hulk
The fact is, Spider-Man's powers put him at many, many times peak human speed
The only times he's really written to not be that fast are when he's fighting other heroes
Originally posted by Scoobless
I completely agreeWith Master Dan:
Cap, DD and Wolvy are three great street level fighters...... but Spider-Man is a class above them all
They would literally appear to be moving in slow motion next to Spidey
If the three of them teamed up on Carnage he would murder them all, yet Spider-Man puts up a great fight against him on every occasion, the bloodlust here is irrelevant
The biggest factors here are speed & strength and Spider-Man is leaps and bounds above these three in those (and almost every other) catagory
Wolverine's insane damage soak alone makes it difficult for Spidey to put him down. Combine that with Daredevil's agility that's on par with Spidey's agility and the teamwork and tactics provided by Cap and Spidey loses.
Originally posted by Scoobless
Just because things are debated to death doesn't mean ... well.... anythingI know people (somewhat uninformed people) that would rate Beasts chances against the Hulk
The fact is, Spider-Man's powers put him at many, many times peak human speed
The only times he's really written to not be that fast are when he's fighting other heroes
*scratches head* So now we are no longer debating by what is presented in the books?
Hmmm...
So now it's a game of numbers, rather than feats? We have seen Daredevil match Spiderman, and we have seen Wolverine do so on several occasions. I'm very much willing to bet the same with Captain America.
All three of these characters are a bit faster than peak human, 'handbook stats' disregarded. Each have been shown to be faster than (supersonic) bullets. Not in a break sprint, but at least with their reflexes. Their nervous system. If Spiderman was really many times faster than these three 'peak humans' have shown to be, shouldn't he be causing Sonic Booms every time he moves? He doesn't have the speed force to protect him....
Anyway, despite what you think Spiderman SHOULD be capable of, he has shown to be a match for Daredevil and Wolverine before, meaning that these three alone would definitely prove to be too much for my good friend Parker.
Oh, and off topic, but who in the HELL would give the Beast chances against the Hulk?!
The same kind of person that would give Wolverine the majority against Wonder Woman, I suppose. *whistles innocently, not saying any names*
Originally posted by Soljer
Anyway, despite what you think Spiderman SHOULD be capable of....
That's the real point here, Spider-Man IS capable of moving much, much faster than humanly (or peak humanly) possible... yet whenever he's shown fighting the "Big Name" good guy characters he moves at the same speed as them.... presumably to pad out the story or make the matchups seem fair
That's pretty much the definition of PIS - Plot Induced Stupidity
Originally posted by Scoobless
That's the real point here, Spider-Man [b]IS capable of moving much, much faster than humanly (or peak humanly) possible... yet whenever he's shown fighting the "Big Name" good guy characters he moves at the same speed as them.... presumably to pad out the story or make the matchups seem fairThat's pretty much the definition of PIS - Plot Induced Stupidity [/B]
I understand why you think this, the traditional "15 times" and "40 times" we always heard. And the handbooks putting spiderman at such an advanced speed. But All four characters have similar speed feats. They've all dodged bullets, they've all jumped around lasers, hell, Captain America ROLLED with a laser like most people roll with a punch.
I'm not only talking their feats in combat with each other, where one character may be depowered or amped to make the story interesting, I'm talking about their individual feats. What has spiderman done that is so out of reach for Cap/DD/Wolv?
Again, I'm not contesting that Spiderman isn't these characters superior. He is, for sure. He is much stronger, and he is faster. But his physical ability isn't all that matters. All three characters have incredible amounts of training, and incredible feats that would allow them to INDIVIDUALLY take at least a few wins out of ten, but putting them on a team? Even assuming they don't use any 'teamwork,' and just go with "Let's all attack him," they would still be able to pull it off.
All three characters have been hit by FAR stronger people than Spiderman, and walked away unscathed, all have been capable of getting down and dirty with speedsters, all three could give spiderman a good fight by their lonesome.
You can't tell me you honestly think Spiderman would curbstomp this trio.
Originally posted by Soljer
Wolverine pretty much has a winning record against Spiderman.
Daredevil has been able to hold his own against Spiderman on several occasions.
And you are going to tell me that Spiderman crushes the three with EASE? When any ONE of them has been shown to be able to match him?
When they fight like idiots however, Spider-Man wins ! You realize he can cover them all under web ? He is definitely fast enough to do that, and they are not strong enough to free themselves.
Spider-Man is great when fighting groups of people. He bounces around and hits everything he sees, while his enemies have to be careful not to hurt each other.
None of them should be able to move at the same speeds as Spidey. Daredevil and Capt. America both lack superhuman physical abilities, so having them match spidey in terms of speed and strength reeks of PIS. Normal (peak)humans are incapable of such feats as bullet dodging without a bit of luck.
What Spidey needs is a killer instinct. It would take no effort at all to kill both Captain America and Daredevil, even from a distance.
Originally posted by Dinalfos
None of them should be able to move at the same speeds as Spidey. Daredevil and Capt. America both lack superhuman physical abilities, so having them match spidey in terms of speed and strength reeks of PIS. Normal (peak)humans are incapable of such feats as bullet dodging without a bit of luck.What Spidey needs is a killer instinct. It would take no effort at all to kill both Captain America and Daredevil, even from a distance.
For vs. matches, one must assume that bloodlust is activated for both sides. And NO, that does not mean that Spider-Man fights like a retard. It just means that, instead of holding back, he will be able to deal out fatal blows and other lethal manuevers in addition to his normal fighting.
In this PURELY HYPOTHETICAL match, Spidey can kill both Cap and DD from the get-go, and that is considered fair. There really are no rules, persay. It's just the Trio vs. Spider-Man. If he needs to kill two of them to make it easier, then so be it.
And then this just turns into Wolverine vs. Spider-Man once more. And well, we all know how that ends.
With Spidey winning, of course.
Also, even without killing the other two, this really doesn't change much. He can EASILY incapacitate both Cap and DD from the start using his webbing that they cannot break out of by themselves. And with Wolverine busy with Spidey, he won't be able to help them either. Hell, Wolvie, too, would have trouble with the webbing if Spidey manages to web him up in a certain way so that his claws become useless. Not like it hasn't been done before (yea, I know he EVENTUALLY got out, but it took him a good chunk of time--time that Spidey could use to completely knock Wolverine out).