Originally posted by Dinalfos
He can land a efficient hit. I hate referring to PIS, but yes, he can. It's just that nobody likes to see Daredevil hit the curb. They'd like the underdog to win against the more powerful character. It happens with Spiderman too, occasionally. And both Namor and Hulk are a LOT slower than Spiderman. Namor can fly at high speeds, but he doesn't have the agility and reflexes. Eventhough it shouldn't really matter. A character like Murdock just can't win a non-PISed fight against Namor. He is way too versatile for someone with only borderline supernatural abilities. It's just ridiculous. Senses only get you so far.As for the spider sense, yes it has its weaknesses. But I doubt Daredevil has what it takes to overload it. He may find a way to use it against Spidey with a little preptime, but its effectiveness shouldn't be underestimated. It's mostly instinct based and it can sense "danger" from quite a distance. Spiderman is going to be prepared for Daredevil, if he fights normally. Now, I'm sure webbing can also assist him in the fight. It's a lot faster than people think and he isn't just limited to firing one shot at a time. If Spidey went to attack Daredevil in full combination with his webbing and his own speed, Daredevil might find it rather difficult to fight him.
Nobody likes to see DD hit the curb? Nobody like who? DD has hit the curb plenbty of times. Hulk may not be super fast, but hes not slow and he still is uber strong. Namor does have very fast hand speed and is strong on top of that. And i agree that a character like DD should not win a non PIS fight against Namor. But who said DD ever beat Namor?😕 I didnt.
Daredevil may or may not overload or trick the senses. Iron Fist was able to trick Spidey into a slight nerve hit while in battle. I think id DD tries it, he may be able to accomplish a trick or two on web-head. True the ss can sense danger from a distance, but he wouldnt know what the danger was. The webbing is fast, but i dont think it fires faster than a sniper bullet. It can assist him in a fight, but would spidey risk missing an attack just to try and get off another one effectively? If thats the case, DD can use his billy clubs to render Spideys arms useless. It can happen. Its not like he wouldnt know which way Spideys gonna dodge. I know DD would find it difficult to fight Spidey and vise versa. I just think Spidey would be more limited in abilities than DD would. And it shows. DD is able to fight with his full speed and strength and be effective. Spidey cant.
I think were getting a bit off topic here, so ill just conclude with saying the trio wins 8/10 probably. 😄
Alright everyone i'm gonna straighten up a few things here. I have most of the comics you guys are talking about. (1) Secret Wars, this is when Spidey overheard what the X-Men were saying, and he thought the X-men were planning something bad that would go against the rest of the heroes, but Professor X sensed him, so Spider-man made a dash for it. The X-men couldn't lay a hand on him. (This comic was old, the X-men were rookies, and heroes like the avengers didn't like mutants, they're was even racism against the mutants) (2) Spider-Man vs. Wolverine, there was nothing wrong with this book, I don't know why ppl say it was written badly, everything was on point to me. They both were fast, which they are, Wolverine was some how messing up his spider-sense, don't know if it was because he was mad and at the same time not trying to kill Peter, who knows? Now here ppl say Spider-Man is holding back, Spider-Man uses his sense to figure out when to hit Wolverine, and he conects and knocks Logan back into a tombstone, and at that point he just starts whaling on Logan's head as hard as he can. He even says that he punching hard enough to destroy a truck, but I can't get this guy to stop smiling. The whole time Logan is laughing at him. Peter figures just to let Logan tackle him. So now 2 claws are around Peter's neck with the middle ready to pop. So Spider-Man grabs Wolverine's neck. Logan says uh uh kid you gotta use all your str to snap my neck, but you aint no killer, like me. Great comic, I think Wolvy to durable for Peter. I'm tired now, but I got everything from Ebay, they still sell that hard to find comic. later
Originally posted by jrodslam
Nobody likes to see DD hit the curb? Nobody like who? DD has hit the curb plenbty of times. Hulk may not be super fast, but hes not slow and he still is uber strong. Namor does have very fast hand speed and is strong on top of that. And i agree that a character like DD should not win a non PIS fight against Namor. But who said DD ever beat Namor?😕 I didnt.Daredevil may or may not overload or trick the senses. Iron Fist was able to trick Spidey into a slight nerve hit while in battle. I think id DD tries it, he may be able to accomplish a trick or two on web-head. True the ss can sense danger from a distance, but he wouldnt know what the danger was. The webbing is fast, but i dont think it fires faster than a sniper bullet. It can assist him in a fight, but would spidey risk missing an attack just to try and get off another one effectively? If thats the case, DD can use his billy clubs to render Spideys arms useless. It can happen. Its not like he wouldnt know which way Spideys gonna dodge. I know DD would find it difficult to fight Spidey and vise versa. I just think Spidey would be more limited in abilities than DD would. And it shows. DD is able to fight with his full speed and strength and be effective. Spidey cant.
I think were getting a bit off topic here, so ill just conclude with saying the trio wins 8/10 probably. 😄
Still, Daredevil is the underdog when battling Spiderman. And Spiderman kayoeing Daredevil with one hit would't make for an exciting battle/team up, would it? They're gonna have to apply PIS or jobbing, there's just no other way to make Daredevil last that long. He's a cool hero, but why do you think it is that his main enemies are almost never higher powered beings? Most of them are either human or humans with supersuits or something. This is similar to the whole Firelord vs Spiderman thing. Yes, Spiderman can knock Firelord out, but he can't win a fight where FL fights intelligently. The required leverage is too much.
Anyway, I think you're now overestimating Daredevil's senses. It really requires some heavy leverage to be able to trick spidey's sense. Some excellent warriors have tried it before and failed. This is a matter of pure luck and possibly planning, because Spiderman is very well aware of all the possible tricks and knows how to deal with most of them. His spider sense is of GREAT assistance in a fight, because it allows him to use his strength, speed and webbing with fluidity without getting hit. This combination allows him to constantly keep moving and actually pull tricks with his web. Billy clubs are useless against him, since he's easily fought off characters with similar weapons before.
Another problem: knowing when someone is going to dodge is only useful if your instincts and reflexes are developed well enough to react accordingly. I know DD has sligthly heightened/borderline supernatural reflexes and such, but I really doubt that would be enough in a normal battle between the two. Spiderman's instinctual reactions are virtually instantaneous because they are directly tied to his spider sense. DD has to listen and muster some concentration before he can do anything at full capacity. His abilities are very impressive, but it's just not the same as developed instinct + super speed + refexes. So I'm inclined to say that Spiderman has more of a chance of tricking DD's sense than the other way around.
And I sort of agree that Spidey has trouble with three of them. They will take a slight majority with a bit of luck. But I still believe it depends mostly on settings and conditions. Remember, Spiderman has enough power to use more bombastic attack patterns, such as throwing stuff, dropping stuff, breaking stuff, swinging stuff etc. Either way, it's not going to be easy for them, unless Spidey is not allowed to crawl walls or whatever.
Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
If Spidey swings away in NYC, they'll never catch him. Then he can fight them one on one.
Spider-Man can, when he wants, easily separate the trio. After that he beats CA (let's all be realistic, that's not hard for Spider-Man), he takes his shield, and what do you know : now it's Spider-Man with CA's shield against DD and Wolverine.
I like these odds.
Originally posted by EvilTyrant
Alright everyone i'm gonna straighten up a few things here. I have most of the comics you guys are talking about. (1) Secret Wars, this is when Spidey overheard what the X-Men were saying, and he thought the X-men were planning something bad that would go against the rest of the heroes, but Professor X sensed him, so Spider-man made a dash for it. The X-men couldn't lay a hand on him. (This comic was old, the X-men were rookies, and heroes like the avengers didn't like mutants, they're was even racism against the mutants) (2) Spider-Man vs. Wolverine, there was nothing wrong with this book, I don't know why ppl say it was written badly, everything was on point to me. They both were fast, which they are, Wolverine was some how messing up his spider-sense, don't know if it was because he was mad and at the same time not trying to kill Peter, who knows? Now here ppl say Spider-Man is holding back, Spider-Man uses his sense to figure out when to hit Wolverine, and he conects and knocks Logan back into a tombstone, and at that point he just starts whaling on Logan's head as hard as he can. He even says that he punching hard enough to destroy a truck, but I can't get this guy to stop smiling. The whole time Logan is laughing at him. Peter figures just to let Logan tackle him. So now 2 claws are around Peter's neck with the middle ready to pop. So Spider-Man grabs Wolverine's neck. Logan says uh uh kid you gotta use all your str to snap my neck, but you aint no killer, like me. Great comic, I think Wolvy to durable for Peter. I'm tired now, but I got everything from Ebay, they still sell that hard to find comic. later
There were some things wrong in that book.
1) Wolverine himself admitted that Spider-man can snap his neck what is not possible
2) Spider-man was barely dodging Logan. C'mone Spider-man dodged bullet after it was fired and that was 1 feet away from his body. Wolverine is fast but not THAT fast.
3) And the stupidest thing of that book. Spider-man was affraid of Wolverine, he was affraid to be killed. We are talking about guy who is not affraid to fight Carnage, Juggernaut and even Silver surfer but guess what? Little hairy man scared him...
Originally posted by jinzin
you're actually giving spidey the majority? 🤨no WAY IN HELL!
This is one of your most riled-up moments, in my opinion. Why is that?
And yea. I am giving him the majority. You (and others) may think it's because I don't know the Trio well enough and overrate Spidey. Well, I do know the trio and I know what Spidey is capable of. Ya know, using his full speed, full strength (not holding back at all), all of his powers to the max.
CIS/PIS removed, he could defeat all three of them at the same time.