Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

thank you!
damn.
anyways logically, if wolverine's enhanced senses are up to as much snuff as they are supposed to be and his fighting skills, etc are as honed and tempered by his training as they are supposed to be than he should have no problem hitting spiderman with ease, If he can tell where nightcrawler is going to appear NEXT based on his enhanced senses alone, than he should be able to predict where spiderman's gonna be after he starts to jump up somewhere,,,,,but as you said logic isn't ment for comics and logic applied to this fight brings in more questions than answers.....well except for any who submit to the logic that the trio takes spidey.

lol...niiiice...now if someone can give me reasonable answer to these 3 questions...I'll conceed to the trio winning...

How are Cap/Wolvie/DD more formidable than the sinister six or syndicate sinister?

How would the any of the Trio defeat the sinister six all by themselves?

How would peak level humans...be able to lay a finger on a superhuman who can sense their every attack, and is 3-4 times faster?

If you can come up with reasonable answers to these questions, then I'll gladly throw in the towell...

1. because Cap is a leader, and can actually form unity in a team.

2. They exact same way Spidey did, using there poor team work against them.

3. 2 of the three already have and so it is not to unimaginable that Cap would also be able to do so, plus he's not 3-4 times faster.

NOW CONCEDE!!!!!!!!!

Okay well wolverine took down hordes of marvel heroes in wolverine vs. mu, Cap basically won WWII, and DD (well i don't know to be honest)

but the poor teamwork theory is credible. Wolverine and DD are both fighters who are very adept at fighting inumerable amounts of foes, and fighting guys that are supposedly out of cap's league is something he does on a regular basis, and how many times have you seen him in the hospital? If cap can unleash a can of whoopass on some spidey villians that give spiderman serious trouble 1 on 1 than there is absolutely no reason why can't give spiderman a run for his money.

and as mercilous said two of the three already have, no reason why they can't again.

Originally posted by whobdamandog
lol...niiiice...now if someone can give me reasonable answer to these 3 questions...I'll conceed to the trio winning...

How are Cap/Wolvie/DD more formidable than the sinister six or syndicate sinister?

The can work together better than them. Realize how the Sinister Six was formed (or reformed in my set example), such as the framing of Mysterio or the blackmail of Sandman to get them to work for him (Dr. Octopus) and I'm sure that in the latter affected their performance to a certain degree (grudges, etc.). They are all different in powers and all together may not have been the best combination. The threesome have worked together (two-some) sometime or another in the past and strategy on their part would be far more stronger.

How would the any of the Trio defeat the sinister six all by themselves?

Strategy, patience, and the environment. Spiderman did not defeat them in an all out open field.

How would peak level humans...be able to lay a finger on a superhuman who can sense their every attack, and is 3-4 times faster?

Spiderman reacts when he senses danger, but he has also not been fast enough to react in time to the alarm, his senses are tricked, or personality overrides it. Spiderman's senses do not correlate with him as well as the threesome do. It comes on his own accord and sometimes he's unsure what the warning is all about (i.e. remember the imposter She-Hulk who his sense reacted to, but he himself couldn't figure out why?).

Wolverine's ol'factor sense of hearing, smelling, and trained skills make him viable to bond and react better with these abilities and make conclusions on how to approach a situation.

Captain America is physically trained to read out his opponent (maybe not body language as Batgirl) via experience and training know how. He's survived through a war and is renown for going against stronger opponents on a normal basis.

Daredevil's radar sense reacts to movement, sound, etc. that he uses quite exclusively throughout his daily life that doesn't stay dormant when not in action.

Originally posted by radioboy121
They can work together better than them. Realize how the Sinister Six was formed (or reformed in my set example), such as the framing of Mysterio or the blackmail of Sandman to get them to work for him (Dr. Octopus) and I'm sure that in the latter affected their performance to a certain degree (grudges, etc.).

They are all different in powers and all together may not have been the best combination. The threesome have worked together (two-some) sometime or another in the past and strategy on their part would be far more stronger.

Strategy, patience, and the environment. Spiderman did not defeat them in an all out open field.

Spiderman reacts when he senses danger, but he has also not been fast enough to react in time to the alarm, his senses are tricked, or personality overrides it.

Spiderman's senses do not correlate with him as well as the threesome do. It comes on his own accord and sometimes he's unsure what the warning is all about (i.e. remember the imposter She-Hulk who his sense reacted to, but he himself couldn't figure out why?).

But what I also remember, is an angry Spider-Man punching She-Hulk through the room 🙂 . Another powerhouse bites the dust.

Wolverine's ol'factor sense of hearing, smelling, and trained skills make him viable to bond and react better with these abilities and make conclusions on how to approach a situation.

Captain America is physically trained to read out his opponent (maybe not body language as Batgirl) via experience and training know how (...) and is renown for going against stronger opponents on a normal basis.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Not really. They aren't amateurs or a bunch of clowns. They had problems with Sandman, but again, they never were the Keystone Cops.

Alone they were otherwise tough, but they're team up was far from seamless.

That's just a theory.

The threesome cannot go out directly strenghwise against such groups, but they are capable to strategize and find weaknesses.

Again true, but we're all assuming everybody is fighting with all the abilities they posses. Under normal conditions, Spider-Mans spider-sense works just fine.

His senses work fine with Peter Parker out of the picture and Spiderman in a mechanical operation mode. That will not be so.

Not the best writing I admit, but it was possible. His spider-sense warns him from danger, but sometimes it's just too difficult to tell what kind of danger it is.

But what I also remember, is an angry Spider-Man punching She-Hulk through the room 🙂 . Another powerhouse bites the ust.

Yes, he punched She-Hulk, but not the imposter She-Hulk imposter from before. He visited the Avengers headquarters and inquired about seeing She-Hulk. She came in and he sucker punched her which knocked her across the room and pissed her off. So?

No. He's not even close. Spider-Man is famous for his reflexes and his dodging. Wolverine isn't.

Who says he dodges better? Wolverine's more attuned to his senses than Spiderman. Spiderman's work on their own accord and sometimes he hasn't the faintest about what's it reacting to.

So are most heroes, Spider-Man included.

Be that it may, Captain America has had plenty of hands on experience including the run-of-the-mill jumping jack and muscle bound warrior. Include a shield in his arsenal and he can be a tough underdog.

Originally posted by radioboy121
The threesome cannot go out directly strenghwise against such groups, but they are capable to strategize and find weaknesses.

His senses work fine with Peter Parker out of the picture and Spiderman in a mechanical operation mode. That will not be so.

Yes, he punched She-Hulk, but not the imposter She-Hulk imposter from before. He visited the Avengers headquarters and inquired about seeing She-Hulk. She came in and he sucker punched her which knocked her across the room and pissed her off. So?

Who says he dodges better? Wolverine's more attuned to his senses than Spiderman.

Be that it may, Captain America has had plenty of hands on experience including the run-of-the-mill jumping jack and muscle bound warrior. Include a shield in his arsenal and he can be a tough underdog.

Originally posted by who?-kid
Oh I get it. The Tiresome Threesome gets preptime, and Spider-Man gets nothing. Not very fair.

Who said preptime? Spiderman can jump right in the fray, but the threesome doesn't have to go stupid and jump right in the fight. They can react to their opponents, but wouldn't go all out offensive.

???

So far, Spiderman's senses are being shown to work seamlessly, which would be a little more so if we're discounting the psyche of Peter in there. But that isn't so as his personality is his crutch for full potential. If you want him closer there, he has to be motivated and if you want this version of him there in this fight, the threesome will have to be given that too (Wolverine in in near beserker mode, and Captain America and Daredevil on kill mode). The threesome will not make it pretty despite his speed.

Nothing. I just wanted to point out how strong a pissed Spider-Man really is. Replace She-Hulk by let's say DD, and we have a dead lawyer.

So to defeat them, he has to meet them at an anonymous time, be a little friendly, then punch them?

What ? No way. Of course Wolverine has better senses, but compared to the spider-sense, they're kind of slow. When it comes down to avoiding bullets and dodging attacks, the spider-sense is the thing to have.

How ungodly slow do you think Wolverine's abilities are? He smells fear, he reacts. Spiderman doesn't smell fear (maybe see it), but those senses are not super miracle wonders. He can move fast, but not fast enough where all three will be sitting around twindling around their thumbs. He reacts and they will also react.

But still the underdog. For a reason.

Yes, tell Namor's speed and strength, and all the other opponents of Captain America that he won because they were being too gentle with him.

Originally posted by radioboy121
Yes, tell Namor's speed and strength, and all the other opponents of Captain America that he won because they were being too gentle with him.

I concede the fact that fanboys can never accept their favorite
characters losing to anyone. They don't have the experience
of reading the entire run of many Marvel Comics titles.
They base all their arguments on something they saw in ONE
issue or so. And of course it's most likely an issue written in
the 1990's - 'The Golden Age' - according to some fanboys I know!!!
I've known fanboys who'll keep crying "Ultimate Nullifier" when sarcastically
asked if Wolverine can take down Galactus.
Spider-man is one of my absolute favorites, but I'll concede that his
beating Firelord was nonsense. See, it's not hard. They're comic
characters. Let it go. You'll be fine.

cheers

Originally posted by radioboy121
How ungodly slow do you think Wolverine's abilities are? He smells fear, he reacts. Spiderman doesn't smell fear (maybe see it), but those senses are not super miracle wonders. He can move fast, but not fast enough where all three will be sitting around twindling around their thumbs. He reacts and they will also react.

I'm the first to admit we can argue about this, but it gives you a good idea of his speed and especially reflexes. Wolverine is maybe a little bit superhuman fast. Same for DD and Captain America. But they all work on a lower level than Spider-Man.

Spiderman doesn't run 100mph. He swings around fast. He can leap and hit fast, but not every gesture is the ballpark figure 40 times faster. There is a reason why he has the usual slower opponents and not near Speed Demon/QuickSilver/Flash version fast opponents.

If he's so fast, he would be hard to see, unless he's vibrating his body to have a blur effect so his picture cannot be taken (a la Superman).

And yes we can be arguing this all day. We have multiple sources that somewhat give a little of both sides of Spiderman. We just give credo as to true version of him. If he went more unscathed, I would be moving to the other side of the fight. But that just isn't so.

Originally posted by radioboy121
Spiderman doesn't run 100mph. He swings around fast. He can leap and hit fast, but not every gesture is the ballpark figure 40 times faster. There is a reason why he has the usual slower opponents and not near Speed Demon/QuickSilver/Flash version fast opponents.

and spider-man is hard to keep an eye on as commented by most of the guys who try to shoot him, spider-man (as far as i know) has never clocked himself at a sprint, but with superhuman reflexes of 40 times the human best, he MUST be able to move his limbs much faster than human, that coupled with his superhuman strength means he can run at much greater speeds than humanly possable, he just doesn't use it much, swinging is probably just less tiring

Originally posted by Zahit
I concede the fact that fanboys can never accept their favorite
characters losing to anyone. They don't have the experience
of reading the entire run of many Marvel Comics titles.
They base all their arguments on something they saw in ONE
issue or so. And of course it's most likely an issue written in
the 1990's - 'The Golden Age' - according to some fanboys I know!!!
I've known fanboys who'll keep crying "Ultimate Nullifier" when sarcastically
asked if Wolverine can take down Galactus.
Spider-man is one of my absolute favorites, but I'll concede that his
beating Firelord was nonsense. See, it's not hard. They're comic
characters. Let it go. You'll be fine.

cheers

Bwahahahahahahahahah....couldn't of said it better myself...

Originally posted by who?-kid
Spider-Man defeated Speed Demon on several occasions. And beat Quicksilver too. Flash is DC, and would be too much for Spider-Man.

Wolverine has defeated Speed Demon and no, I was referring to his opponents being overall "fast characters" and not the standard ones we usually see if Spiderman is blame well fast.

There is usually a reason why these particular speedsters are not shown against regular speed characters, unless attacked by surprise, a special ability that could negate fast reflexes, etc.

Originally posted by Scoobless
and spider-man is hard to keep an eye on as commented by most of the guys who try to shoot him, spider-man (as far as i know) has never clocked himself at a sprint, but with superhuman reflexes of 40 times the human best, he MUST be able to move his limbs much faster than human, that coupled with his superhuman strength means he can run at much greater speeds than humanly possable, he just doesn't use it much, swinging is probably just less tiring

His running speed is debatable as he's shown moreso leaping or of course, his signature web swinging. I can only think of movie version Spiderman chasing after the bus. Superhuman strength does not exactly correlate with faster speeds too. Colossus, Thing, etc. aren't trademark sprint runners.

i didn't mean he'd be faster just because of the strength but with it, in addition to his accelerated limb movements, would logically enable him to run faster

Maybe a little faster, but nothing out of the extraodinary. This might not be feasible for Spiderman on a normal basis as leaping and swinging takes less stamina and provides far more manuevability.

yeah i know, i just mean for sprints - considering how much stronger than human and his reflexes and movements so much faster than human, it's not unlikely that he could run 3-4 times top human pace