Anyway you were right about the symbiote costume thing, in the comic spiderman's putting on his black costume talking about how embarassed he'd be if he put on his black top with his red bottoms by mistake, (don't know why the hell I was convinced that was the symbiote) but I can at least acknowledge being wrong there. However whoever said that spiderman beat firelord by just punching him out,,,,,,wtf? yeah I guess getting a building blown up and dropped on him, and then getting blown up again, had nothing to do with spiderman claiming the victory huh?
but man I mean if DD alone can give spider-man a good run for his money I don't see how spidey's gonna hold up to all three of em.
The best arguement so far as been "if spidey runs away (falls back) and then takes em out 1 at a time" which I would say is his best chance, but i just don't think he'll get that distance. I'm pretty sure given the situation that spidey would be fighting all three men, a billy club, claws, and a sheild, even his spider sense wouldn't hold them long enough to claim victory, I mean wolverine gutted spidey when spiderman had to many enemies to manuver properly and with cap's ability to lead I would think this fight to be in the bag.
Originally posted by jinzin
? yeah I guess getting a building blown up and dropped on him, and then getting blown up again, had nothing to do with spiderman claiming the victory huh?
There never was the slightest indication Firelord was hurt by the exploding building.
And I wouldn't depend on the Firelord fight too much. It's not the only powerhouse Spider-Man beat with his fists only. Far from it.
the hell it didn't. If spiderman KOed him with punches afterwards than one has to assume the building drop and the explosion were both putting a hurtin on firelord, considering they're both more powerful than a spiderman punch, that's not even debatable considering I've never....ever....seen a spidey punch level a city block into nothing.
You make some mistakes:
1. It's comics we're talking about, you don't have to take everything that happened too serious. A building falls on Firelord and it didn't hurt him at all, and yet Spider-Man knocks him down : that's one of those things you see in comics all the time.
2. You underestimate the power of Spider-Man. You really do.
3. It was not a city block, but just an abandonned building.
4. It's not very clear how long Spider-Man was using Firelord as a punching bag, but it seems like a pretty long time - the Avengers were nowhere to be seen when he started going nuts on Firelord. He gave Firelord fast powerpunches, one after the other, for a considerable amount of time !!
Only the strong or very strong can survive that. Wolverine can. DD or Cap definitely can't.
As a matter of fact, there is a relatively recent issue of
Amazing Spider-man where he goes into an abandoned building
and takes out his frustrations a bit. HE LEVELED THE BUILDING.
Peter was feeling frustrated (like that's new) about something
and decided to cut loose and let it out. The entire building caved
in on itself. That's Spidey not holding back!!
You realistically think Cap-DD-Wolvie can take that??
Some of ya'll really don't understand the physics
involved with someone who can lift 10 Tons.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
In a universe that has people moving faster then light speed do you really think it is a good idea to talk about physics?
Within the context of that reality........YES!!!
Or shall we just accept stuff like Wolverine
taking 2 punches in the face by someone
who lifts 100 tons and not falling down?
opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one....
...back up your opinions with at least some semblence of sense
or else what's the point of even having discussions?
I'm not underestimating spidey whatsoever, but the fact is wolverine CAN take that punishment,,,,,,easily, i mean spiderman admittidly thinks to himself that he gave wolverine everything he had and wolverine barely even got effected by it.
And spiderman also exclaims that is was a ciity block so unless he's a complete idiot i'd have to take his word for it.
what I'm saying is spiderman isn't going to level a city block in ONE check that, ONE punch. To argue that is utterly ridiculous. It would also take numerous amounts of punches to bring down a building, the point is spiderman eventually KOed firelord with punches, but only AFTER firelord had been softened up by explosions and buildings before that, It's like Hundreds of spiderman punches (which knocked firelord out) packed into one huge explosion, Firelord logically shouldn't have been anywhere near 100%, hell spider-man wassuprised he even survived that, is this still an uber impressive spiderman feat? of coarse it is, but regardless, it's not the same as spiderman beating firelord from the start in a straight up boxing match or whatever.
But the REAL point is wolverine only needs one good hit and spiderman's done for, considering the fact that in their fight wolverine punched spiderman in the face, I'm betting that in a fight with this trio vs. spidey and wolvies claws unsheathed, spiderman is going down.
Spider-Man VS Captain America
Spider-Man wins
He's more supersoldier of how the Captain could ever be.
Stronger, faster, tougher, and more agile, and has more endurance.
Cap is peak human like Wolverine.The Shield is a great advantage, but the Punisher can stop it, so Spidey can stop it with ease too.And it becomes a fist fight, yes Cap is an outstanding combatant, but facing reality, i never saw him going toe to toe with Hulk and giving Hulk troubles, just to pull out an example.
Spider-Man VS Wolverine
Spider-Man wins
As for Cap, he's superior to Logan except for the endurance and the healing abilities, here Logan is the best.Adamantium bones rend him tough and resistant and the claws are deadly, but Spidey has fought guys with claws on their hands or with sharp weapons before, and has win.He can trick Logan with the web and then knockout him, or just stay far using his leaping ability, jumping around Logan confusing him and then put down him with a single blow.
Spider-Man VS DareDevil
Spider-Man wins, Jiinzin says DD can give Spider-Man a run for his money.DareDevil has human strenght, high trained human strenght, he must be around class 300 or at least 400lbs, out of Logan's and Cap's league of strenght.Yes he's an high skilled martial artist, one of the best on the earht, and is really agile, but Spidey is more agile and stronger, reflexes and spider sense make for him the job of dodging DD attacks very simple, and he has more endurance and durability than DD, who at least is human.
All of these characters have shown more then once that they aren't out classed by Spider-man in the speed department... it is a fact wither you choose to except it or not. Spider-man has a strength advantage and webbing which gives him the edge one on one against any of the these three but all at once he doesnt stand a chance.
Well the problem with a lot of facts in comic books is the "fact" that comic books are very inconsistant and illogical...think about it..Spidey looses to Cap in one issue claiming that Cap's punch is "too fast for his spider sense to handle"....then he takes on the entire sinister six and dodges hundreds of bullets with ease in the very next one...
So to me its really better to base these battles on the character's respective abilities...Unless you have more than just one instance of "who done this and who done that..." Comic books are meant for entertainment..and never really go by logic/reason..
....if we applied logic to most comics.....than we wouldn't have much of a story.
I think the biggest reason as to why people are having a hard time believing that Spidey couldn't win this battle is because the three characters he's facing are very popular....if put SM against any other joe smoes with powers similar to the above against him, most would be leaning towards Spidey...but the fact that the characters he is facing are popular makes people very biased against him in this battle...
Spiderman has not been fast and agile enough for a lot of solo and larger number battles in his comics and he's facing characters who aren't just going to charge without a true plan either. Just because people see the threesome winning doesn't mean that people are just bias against Spiderman. He's a great character, but he's not the unstoppable either. All four characters have darted around a number of their opponents that would essentially classify them as very quick. We have no true bearing to imagine how they would appear in real life.
Well I have to disagree.. we do have a bearing as to how quickly each characters would move in real life based on their stats... and the trio are all peak level human in the speed, reflexes, and agility departments..
...Some of the fastest sprinters run around 23-27 mph..I'd put Cap slightly above that..maybe at about 30 mph..and that's a big maybe..Wolvie and DD are probably significantly below that number..I doubt either can run that fast... ....Now compare this to SM's normal running speed..(100 mph, 3 times as fast as the Captain..possibly even faster under stressed/optimal conditions...)
add to this his leaping ability...(he can leap up to 60 ft in the air...)
his reaction time...
his agility...
his strength...
his spider sense...
etc..etc..etc....
I mean come on...theres no logical way they should be able to touch him....but like I said.. logic don't really mean nothing in a comic book story...so of course people like Cap/Wolvie/DD are going to be able to hit him, If they couldn't...there wouldn't be much of a story...
Spider-Man VS DareDevil
Spider-Man wins, Jiinzin says DD can give Spider-Man a run for his money.DareDevil has human strenght, high trained human strenght, he must be around class 300 or at least 400lbs, out of Logan's and Cap's league of strenght.Yes he's an high skilled martial artist, one of the best on the earht, and is really agile, but Spidey is more agile and stronger, reflexes and spider sense make for him the job of dodging DD attacks very simple, and he has more endurance and durability than DD, who at least is human. [/B][/QUOTE]
He never ever dodges DareDevils punches. although DD dodges his.