Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

Originally posted by Capt.JK
First of all, how can you say I STARTED something when my post was in response to another? That makes ZERO sense. Jeez, man - think BEFORE you type.

How dumb ARE you? you read my post and then quoted it and then said i accused you of starting it! read it again, it CLEARLY states it was started by strawnilla ........ you're just the one who made it into something other people felt the need to complain about

as for the spider-man wins perspective point not being proven... well you said you didn't read who...etc...dog's posts because you don't think he has a point........ what exactly would you be basing that on after admitting you don't even read them, and he doesn't really insult people, he just makes fun of you quite often because you take it all too seriously and are, in fact, the pot who called the kettle black on the subject of fanboys

you finally state:
"Now I have responded once AGAIN to an insult of MY favorite character, because you people aren't smart enough to figure out Spider-Man would lose, or are simply so fanboyishly enamored with ol' Petey that you CAN'T see it."

why can't YOU realise that YOU are so "enamored" with YOUR "favourite character" that YOU can't see the slightest possability of a physically superior combatant beating him and 2 others of equal or lesser ability?

if you want to respond to this feel free, but take your time and read it twice to make sure you don't make a fool of yourself again... don't worry you have plenty of time, i'm off to bed and wont read it untill tomorrow night

Originally posted by Capt.JK
What the hell kind of insane, assine argument is this? So by your ILLOGIC, Spider-Man teaches children it's okay to stick your hands under front porches and hollow logs and hope for a spider bite. If this is the BEST comment you could come up with, give up NOW. This post was so dumb, I'm not even going to waste another word on it.

Spider-Man loses.

I say nay, they'd do regular kid-stuff like ride on their bikes or go-karts or four-wheelers.

But steroids are presented in the media every day. Circulation of steroids in everything from baseball to olympic sports are what's on everyone's minds. Do you find it illogical that someone might take Cap. getting dipped into a pool of drugs and coming out a peak of human abiity-like specimen and use that as a guideline when injecting themselves with steroids? It's called the "maybe that can hapen for me" thesis.

QUOTE]Originally posted by Capt.JK
I'm going to give a tutorial on Cap just this ONE time, since as I've pointed out in the past, you Spidey-fanboys obviously don't read ANYTHING but Spidey books.
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PLEASE NO MORE...lol..your killing us with this creepy unnatural fascination with a "male" comic book character....I can only speak for myself..but I can definately attest to the fact that I have read more than SM comics..and anyone who reads my replies in most of these forumns can see that I'm generally not partial to any particular character in a battle..I just go by common sense..and common sense would tell most rational minded people that SM wins..

Captain America is not "jacked up on drugs"; his cellular structure was modified at the cellular level, just like Spider-Man's. There is no "drug" in his body; the series of injections, along with the bombardment of Vita-Rays, transformed his body into the PERFECT specimen of human development. He volunteered for the experiment, even though he was told that it may kill him. He did this for his country.

Pleaasse...you must be a hippy..lol...you can call them what you want..but anyone who injects chemicals into their system other than for medicinal purposes is a crackhead in my book...

Spider-Man, on the other hand (no pun intended), got into a REALLY lucky accident, then tried to make a profit with it and unwittingly caused the death of his uncle. Given the same choices, with NO idea of the final outcome, he would NEVER have let that spider bite him. Captain America is the BETTER hero.

How does the fact that cap volunteered for a experimental "drug" make him a hero? You've kind of lost me their buddy....

Please refrain from posting if this is the BEST crap you can come up with. It just shows off your EXTREME fanboyish love for the web-head.

LOL...JK...all your arguments have stated the same damb thing.."Captain's great" blah..blah..blah..blah...."I idolize the Captain"..blah blah....blah.."He beat the Scorpion"..blah..blah..blah...I mean its really getting kind of silly...come up with some sort of basis to your arguments...other than your well known admiration for the Captain...so people can actually debate your posts and not just post "crap" in response to your illogical ranting.. and

Originally posted by Scoobless
Blah... Blah... Blah... shit

Perhaps you should read MY post a little more thoroughly. I CLEARLY stated that I am defending MY favorite character AGAIN because all you people can seem to come up with are insults, which is exactly what the originating post was. It's just about the only thing the 3 of you seem to be able to come up with.

As for "whogivesacrapdog's" posts, I pretty much DO gloss over them because most of his posts are just insults, usually directed to me due to some freakish infatuation he has of me. If you or anyone else doubts this, READ THE POSTS! Fanboy is a term thrown around all over this forum; to some degree we're all fanboys of one type or another, including unashamedly myself. But his posts ARE insulting, and usually have nothing to do with the thread or the characters. Quite frankly, I've never backed down from ANYTHING in my life when I felt I was right, and I'm certainly not going to start with the likes of a couple of cookie-cutter comic fanboys like you and him.

Obviously, people like you HAVE to resort to the tactics of the weak and/or weak-minded, because anyone who knows anything about ALL 4 of these characters could easily see that the trio would win (but you're gonna have to crawl out of Spidey's butt and read something else for THAT information.)

So you go to bed and let your mama tuck you in and read you a nighty night Spidey story. Hey! maybe Spidey can win the fight there... IN YOUR DREAMS!!!

Originally posted by whobdamandog

PLEASE NO MORE...lol.. INSULT

Pleaasse... INSULT

How does the fact that cap volunteered for a experimental "drug" make him a hero? You've kind of lost me their buddy....

LOL...JK...all your arguments INSULT

Here's the abbreviated version of his post with all of the insults removed but highlighted. As you can see, there is only ONE real question in the whole thing. This is also, unfortunately, a very TYPICAL post from this guy. You can take pretty much ANY of his posts from this thread and do the same thing with it. Pathetically freakish his infatuation with me.

As for his question of being lost, well... I'm not surprised. But I will try and lead him out of the darkness. If you read the post, the WHOLE post, it CLEARLY states:

"He volunteered for the experiment, even though he was told that it may kill him. He did this for his country."

Now if becoming a soldier, willing to die for your country and your beliefs, doesn't make you a hero... What does?

Originally posted by Capt.JK
Here's the abbreviated version of his post with all of the insults removed but highlighted. As you can see, there is only ONE real question in the whole thing. This is also, unfortunately, a very TYPICAL post from this guy. You can take pretty much ANY of his posts from this thread and do the same thing with it. Pathetically freakish his infatuation with me.

As for his question of being lost, well... I'm not surprised. But I will try and lead him out of the darkness. If you read the post, the WHOLE post, it CLEARLY states:

"He volunteered for the experiment, even though he was told that it may kill him. He did this for his country."

Now if becoming a soldier, willing to die for your country and your beliefs, doesn't make you a hero... What does?

Originally posted by StrawNilla
Oh come on! A scrawny guy given the opportunity of becoming a human of pinnacle abilities and levels. You can't tell me there was that the possibility of him wanting to go through with the experiment for more than just "serving his country."

It's really disturbing that you are on this thread posting, and you know so little about the characters involved that you make comments like this.

The entire CONCEPT of Captain America was to be the epitome of the selfless American, willing to do anything for his country. To protect the innocent. To do what was right. This is the whole CONCEPT of this character. The epitome of the American HERO. Steve Rogers was a scrawny kid who tried to enlist in the Army, even though he was sickly and knew that he probably wouldn't be accepted. He knew that if he did get in, he had a very good chance of dying. But he also knew that he could not stand by and watch while Hitler's armies marched across Europe, killing thousands of innocent people in the process. It was this selflessness, along with his weak body and constitution, that attracted the organizers of the Super Soldier project to choose him in the first place.

Captain America came out in March, 1941. On the cover of Issue #1 (which I own a very beaten up copy of), he is shown punching the face of Hitler. On December 7, 1941, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and the US declared war on Japan. Shortly thereafter they declared war on the Nazis as well. Captain America and his shield were designed as a symbol of most of America's desire to enter the war against Germany and aid England. He was designed as America saw itself: selfless; strong; courageous; and willing to die for what was RIGHT.

You people ask why I like him so much. It is because he stands for something. He was created in a time of war, when much of the world was being destroyed or taken over by a group of madmen, and the strongest nation in the world stood by and watched because the politicians were Isolationists and didn't want to get involved. No one wanted another World War, but Captain America's creators, Joe Simon and Jack "King" Kirby, at Timely Comics (now known as Marvel) took a chance and released a character who said what most of America was already thinking; "It is time to take a stand." Name ONE other character who fits this bill. You might say Captain America was the ORIGINATOR of the thought, "With great power comes great responsibility." The United States, the most powerful nation on Earth, needed to act.

My grandfather carried the issue I mentioned above, along with several others, into war against the Japanese at Iwo Jima in his rucksack, rolled up in a rubber band. He told me that Captain America was the most popular comic amongst the service men, because he epitomized how the men felt about what they were doing, and that the guys would trade the books back and forth and pass them on to others when they went home. He gave his copy to me before he passed away.

THAT is why I like this hero the best. THAT is why I take it personal when people make DUMB comments about the character. And THAT is why Spider-Man would not win this fight. Captain America is an ICON. He and the other 2 heroes would beat the web-slinger. PERIOD!
usaflag

okay first off lets drop the whole steroid thing, since it really has nothing to do with this topic whatsoever.
Second, stop making fun of the cap because he loves a comic book character, if we didn't love comic book characters we wouldn't be here trying to debate why we think they would be winning imaginary fights.
Third, I think if you're a US citizen and you're going to love a comic character Captain America is a good a character as any.

that being said lets get back to the fight.....
I don't know if you really want to take these characters for how they're supposed to be written,,,,,,,it's kind of an impossible feat since comic characters power levels and general achievments over one another change at a constant rate,,,,but lets say we DO choose to go the way you want.
The whole "this team couldn't work together" arguement is a nullified point by the fact that the cap is written to be a greatest of leaders, and also by the fact that these guys have worked together in the past at one time or another.
In the way that the cap is SUPPOSED to be written he could calculate where spiderman would be bouncing around and he could chuck his sheild in a way to hit spiderman on a rebound while spidey was in mid-air.
In the way that DD is SUPPOSED to be written, his senses should provide him enough reaction time to dodge ALMOST anything spidey throws a him, he should also be able to potentially kill spiderman by punching him at the perfect moment according to spideys heartbeat.
In the way that wolviie is SUPPOSED to be written,,,,,oh man this is gonna be a long one......His super enhanced senses should nullify spidermans spidey sense (meaning they're on an even playing feild) Wolverine's hand to hand techniques shouldn't even be challengable for how is supposed to be written, His healing factor and adamantium skeleton should be able to take anything spiderman hits him with, he's also a trained tactician for how he is supposed to be written.

In the way that these three are supposed to be written spiderman still really doesn't stand a chance,,,,,,well maybe a slim chance,,,,,about as much as a snowball in hell.

Originally posted by Scoobless
i never posted that, and more than 3 have posted reasons why spidey should win so why don't you take your own advice?

p.s. lobo sucks

Now your just gunning for me. I quoted who that response was for and it wasn't you.

Spidey loses this so bad he quits the hero business.

LOL 😆

yeah i guess that would blow to get beat up by one of your role models. lol

Has anyone ever read that comic where Spidey has an encounter with Wolvie and the next day Peter goes to school with Wolvie's hair cut?

no, but it sounds funny, do you know which comic that is?

I was reffering to the cap though.

so spidey would be getting beat by two role models then? and one of his best friends! hahaha!

I'll have to get back to you on the comic I only read it my friend owns it.

Ultimate Marvel Team Up 1#

Originally posted by jinzin
okay first off lets drop the whole steroid thing, since it really has nothing to do with this topic whatsoever.
Second, stop making fun of the cap because he loves a comic book character, if we didn't love comic book characters we wouldn't be here trying to debate why we think they would be winning imaginary fights.
Third, I think if you're a US citizen and you're going to love a comic character Captain America is a good a character as any.

that being said lets get back to the fight.....
I don't know if you really want to take these characters for how they're supposed to be written,,,,,,,it's kind of an impossible feat since comic characters power levels and general achievments over one another change at a constant rate,,,,but lets say we DO choose to go the way you want.
The whole "this team couldn't work together" arguement is a nullified point by the fact that the cap is written to be a greatest of leaders, and also by the fact that these guys have worked together in the past at one time or another.
In the way that the cap is SUPPOSED to be written he could calculate where spiderman would be bouncing around and he could chuck his sheild in a way to hit spiderman on a rebound while spidey was in mid-air.
In the way that DD is SUPPOSED to be written, his senses should provide him enough reaction time to dodge ALMOST anything spidey throws a him, he should also be able to potentially kill spiderman by punching him at the perfect moment according to spideys heartbeat.
In the way that wolviie is SUPPOSED to be written,,,,,oh man this is gonna be a long one......His super enhanced senses should nullify spidermans spidey sense (meaning they're on an even playing feild) Wolverine's hand to hand techniques shouldn't even be challengable for how is supposed to be written, His healing factor and adamantium skeleton should be able to take anything spiderman hits him with, he's also a trained tactician for how he is supposed to be written.

In the way that these three are supposed to be written spiderman still really doesn't stand a chance,,,,,,well maybe a slim chance,,,,,about as much as a snowball in hell.

I like this guy.

Originally posted by jinzin
The whole "this team couldn't work together" arguement is a nullified point by the fact that the cap is written to be a greatest of leaders, and also by the fact that these guys have worked together in the past at one time or another.

Why didn't Michael Jordan win a championship with the Washington Wizards? He's considered by many to be the best basketball player to ever play the game, and is also considered one of the greatest team leaders to ever grace the court.

He lost because even though he was a great leader....his supporting cast wasn't up to snub.

Wolverine has shown on MANY occasions that he prefers to defect from the group and go it alone.

Can you even name one instance where the 3 of these characters worked together in a combined effort? I mean..."these guys have worked together in the past at one point or another" doesn't really support your arguement.

If the three haven't worked together before (at the same time) then the premise for you deductive conclusion is false. Which means your conclusion is also false.

If the three have worked together, but at separate times. Then your inductive arguement is weak. Saying "Captain America has worked well with Wolverine" and "Captain America has worked well with Daredevil, thus Captain America will work well with both Daredevil and Wolverine" is a valid arguement...but it's not a strong one.

Arguement un-nullified

In the way that the cap is SUPPOSED to be written he could calculate where spiderman would be bouncing around and he could chuck his sheild in a way to hit spiderman on a rebound while spidey was in mid-air.

Just like Spiderman is SUPPOSED to have a Spider-Sense that enables him to dodge or deflect such things. Captain America's strength is said to be on par with a "perfect human" this would lead some to believe that he is anywhere from 2-4x the strength of a person in peak physical form. Spiderman's reflexes are said to be 40x that of a human being. Therefore, Captain America's strength is not sufficient enough throw the shield and score a direct hit on Spiderman without Spiderman's Spidey sense triggering enabling him time to react in some way.

Of course, I am allowing for the dual possibility that Spiderman dodging the shield could result in a kick to the face from one of the other two. Just the same as a potential deflection or dodge can end up hitting one of the other two. The possibilities are somewhat a wash.

In the way that DD is SUPPOSED to be written, his senses should provide him enough reaction time to dodge ALMOST anything spidey throws a him, he should also be able to potentially kill spiderman by punching him at the perfect moment according to spideys heartbeat.

True. But in the same sense Spiderman is SUPPOSED to be written so that his reflexes and Spider-sense provide him with sufficient enough time to dodge ALMOST everything Daredevil throws at him.

Lets not get into the exploding heart arguement. Daredevil will have a hard enough time hitting Spiderman...let alone landing the kill shot from Kill Bill Vol. 2.

The difference between these two? When Spiderman hits Daredevil....Daredevil feels exceptionally more pain than Spidey.

In the way that wolviie is SUPPOSED to be written,,,,,oh man this is gonna be a long one......His super enhanced senses should nullify spidermans spidey sense (meaning they're on an even playing feild) Wolverine's hand to hand techniques shouldn't even be challengable for how is supposed to be written, His healing factor and adamantium skeleton should be able to take anything spiderman hits him with, he's also a trained tactician for how he is supposed to be written.

That's an invalid arguement. Your premise doesn't support your conclusion AT ALL. You haven't given any reason why Wolverine's enhanced sense "should nullify Spiderman's spidey sense."

Wolverine's enhanced senses enable him to smell his opponent and to track down their location. Spiderman's Spidey sense is an early warning system that detects potential threats in the near future. Thus, in a fight, Spiderman's spidey sense is a MUCH more valuable asset than Wolverine's enhanced sense.

True, Wolverine's martial arts techniques, adamantium skeleton, and healing are key advantages over Spiderman, but that doesnt' make him unstoppable. Spiderman is much much faster and has quicker reflexes than Wolverine. His strength trounces Wolverine as well.

In the same sense that Wolverine is written to be a tactician, Spiderman is written to use his brains more than his brawn against the type of characters who won't be as negatively affected by sheer brute strength.

In the way that these three are supposed to be written spiderman still really doesn't stand a chance,,,,,,well maybe a slim chance,,,,,about as much as a snowball in hell.

By the same token, Spiderman is written to stand a chance in hell against the most heinous of odds.

But...in the end I must agree. Though I think Spiderman would put up a greater fight than most will give him credit for...

In the end he really can't overcome the combined efforts of all 3 characters.

Originally posted by Capt.JK
It's really disturbing that you are on this thread posting, and you know so little about the characters involved that you make comments like this.

The entire CONCEPT of Captain America was to be the epitome of the selfless American, willing to do anything for his country. To protect the innocent. To do what was right. This is the whole CONCEPT of this character. The epitome of the American HERO. Steve Rogers was a scrawny kid who tried to enlist in the Army, even though he was sickly and knew that he probably wouldn't be accepted. He knew that if he did get in, he had a very good chance of dying. But he also knew that he could not stand by and watch while Hitler's armies marched across Europe, killing thousands of innocent people in the process. It was this selflessness, along with his weak body and constitution, that attracted the organizers of the Super Soldier project to choose him in the first place.

Captain America came out in March, 1941. On the cover of Issue #1 (which I own a very beaten up copy of), he is shown punching the face of Hitler. On December 7, 1941, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and the US declared war on Japan. Shortly thereafter they declared war on the Nazis as well. Captain America and his shield were designed as a symbol of most of America's desire to enter the war against Germany and aid England. He was designed as America saw itself: selfless; strong; courageous; and willing to die for what was RIGHT.

THAT is why I like this hero the best. THAT is why I take it personal when people make DUMB comments about the character. And THAT is why Spider-Man would not win this fight. Captain America is an ICON. He and the other 2 heroes would beat the web-slinger. PERIOD!
usaflag

Come on, look at his costume, look at his shield, look at his name, it has America written all over it ! If that isn't propaganda, nothing is. I have nothing against America, but to create in the middle of the War a flag-wearing square jawed Mr. Perfect who without any fear fights hordes of Nazis... well, that is of course pure propaganda, nothing more.

It's a powerful weapon during war. When the war was over, there was no use anymore for Captain America, but when the Avengers became popular, they fished him back out of the water, and he began a new, more interesting life.

And claiming that Captain America is an icon won't help his fight against Spider-Man who, when well written, can dodge EVERY of his punches, and can send Cap flying with a single kick.

I respect your sympathy for Captain America, but in this thread, it has nothing to do with it.

For some people, Captain America is a symbol, true. A symbol of heroism. But symbols can also be boring and overestimated.