Originally posted by jinzin
strawnilla you silly child, I'm not led to believe this....
It's sad you can't accept that Spidey is too much for a group of humans organized or not. Look at his stats, the power, the proof is in the pudding. The guy can SENSE attacks BEFORE they come. He can lift *press* 10+ tons. HE CAN ADHERE TO MOST SURFACES! HE IS SUPERHUMAN AGILE AND RESPONSIVE! HE CAN LEAP A VERTICAL DISTANCE OF 30 FT! Honestly, I never thought the day would come where someone would doubt Spidey's chances against groups of humans he could oust with ONE PUNCH EACH.
And you say that with Cap's sheild to protect him Spidey will be able of nothing to harm him yet, when I suggest that Spidey could simply pull it out of his grasp and toss it to the side the idea is unthinkable. There's a difference between SUPERHUMAN strength (strength simply above that of what a human can accomplish) and strength at the PEAK OF HUMAN POTENTIAL (strength the likes of which a human is capable of reaching). Geez, what's so hard to comprehend?
And Wolvie could handle the Enforcers in seconds as well as DD (though, as you stated it would "take a minute" with him) but Spidey, a guy that could easily mow through any human and oust one all the same with *one* unpulled punch, a guy that can sense oncoming attacks before they come and dodge them at superhuman response times and speed. And what if Spidey took the battle to the air, attacking the group at multiple angles. You do know that he is fully capable of doing that right? Or he could immoblilize the lot of them with webbing, yep, there's a thought. Oh right, I forgot, one of them has a lasso! I guess that means that they can just hogtie any webbing that touched them and tear it off with their bare hands! (Sarcasm) C'mon man, no offense but get a clue.
You know where I stand on pretty much any Spidey/peak human fist fight or should by now. Spidey outclasses pretty much any human he comes across on any level physically. And we can't forget about how he's, you know, gifted, so, an average-minded human is in an even worse position.
And c'mon Jinzin, you're actually going to believe that Wolvie's brain is going to sit in one spot and not move anywhere when a guy that has a 10+ ton lifting force behind his pucnhes pounds away a relatively thin-layered skull. That's sad. You talk about using comic book evidence when the facts still remain on a vital standpoint: Spidey (superhuman), DD (peak human), Wolvie (mutant in peak condition), Cap (human at the peak of human potential, no more, no less). How is a healing factor supposed to "defend" itself from concussion? How is being at the peak of human potential going to allow to physically keep up with a guy that dodges attacks at a superhuman speed and respone rate factored in with pre-cog? How is having superhuman senses supposed to help you prepare for an attacker you can hear coming but cannot stop and (judging from speed and agility alone) avoid? Face it. There have been times where Spidey was written to struggle in a battle with Wolvie or DD only to bounce back and duke it out with the likes of Scorpion and Venom. Spidey has always been written to make stupid mistakes when dealing with peak humans such as DD and mutants on a physically low level such as Wolvie he would not normally make simply because if he was written otherwise ala the way he was supposed to be written then at the very least he'd taunt them the entire time while leaping over their heads and decorating them with a wide spread of webbing.
And it is pretty funny how Wolvie does IN FACT not possess the strength to pull away from webbing stronger than steel cable but does it anyway. Isn't it funny how people duck and dodge over common sense?
Okay, so you're willing to believe that Wolvie could make a fool out of a guy that could demolish a building with his bare hands to relieve stress? A guy that contorts in between lasers and bullets and such in mid-air on and off the webline? A guy that had in that same fight punched a brick chimney into halves? Tell me you're joking. Tell me you don't believe that Wolvie could backhand Spidey that far. C'mon! Spidey even stated that he thought the guy was an imposter, secondly, is Spidey not maneuverable enough in the air to avoid a kick to the stomach from Wolvie or a backhand of those sorts? Maybe you don't know the answer to that question. I do. Spidey's too much for Wolvie, he's too much for Cap, he's too mcuh for DD....and that only makes for a quick fight courtesy of Spidey's fists if there were any Spidey/Wolvie, Spidey/Cap, and Spidey/DD confrontations so their fights are written in a way where Spidey makes all kinds of stupid mistakes and doesn't dodge at a certain time where he normally would in the case of Scorpion or Venom throwing said punch. It's just that simple. It's not fact, just a shrewd way of making the unavoidable avoidable.
I never asked you to show Spidey lifting and throwing cars, catching trucks and such thrown at him, etc. Doesn't mean he can't do it. That's where you neglect. Funny how fact never gets accounted for by you simply because fact never suites YOUR argument.