Spiderman vs. Captain America/Daredevil/Wolverine

Originally posted by StrawNilla
It's bad enough seeing that you have no life outside of thinking up ways for me to start my own comic book...

Actually, me and 'jinzin' thought this up on the fly as we were posting back and forth. We think it's funny.

Originally posted by StrawNilla
in additon you have abosolutely no clue just how fanboyish you have sounded in the past:

"Cap used his hand as a wrecking ball"
"Cap beat Scorpion in a few pages"
"Cap is an ICON"
"Cap ALWAYS shapes the battlefield"

Well, I proudly admit that I'm a HUGE fan of the Star Spangled Avenger. I have never even attempted to hide or deny that fact.

And actually, I said Cap used his "head", not his hand. And I said Red Skull in a set of Exo-Skelontonal Power Armor used Cap's head as a wrecking ball (my words, not Marvel's). I also gave the specific issue it happened in. Go look it up for yourself.

And Cap did beat the Scorpion in 4 pages. Again, I gave the issue. Go look it up.

And Cap is an icon of the MU. So is Spider-Man. So is Wolverine. So is DareDevil. These are some of the best known, most widely recognized comic characters in the world. I also stated that obviously Spidey was top dog in that department, but all of these characters are known and loved all over the world, and represent "firsts" or "bests" of their kind of character. That's why they are icons.

And Cap does "control the battlefield". It is one of his primary abilities as a character and a super soldier. That is why he is always written as the leader. Within the MU, there is no one better. Deal with it. It's a "pure bred fact".

Anything else? 😮‍💨

I think Spiderman should continue getting rid of the tight pants. And everyone knows that the Blob cant fit in that wrestling suit so why even try. And the hulk has stretched those jeans as far as they can go. How does he afford to keep buying new clothes? I mean there pretty expensive so thats why I go to the thrift stores on Harlem. I think Bruce Banner should consider giving it up and going for sweat pants.

Originally posted by StrawNilla
It's sad you can't accept that Spidey is too much for a group of humans organized or not. Look at his stats, the power, the proof is in the pudding. The guy can SENSE attacks BEFORE they come. He can lift *press* 10+ tons. HE CAN ADHERE TO MOST SURFACES! HE IS SUPERHUMAN AGILE AND RESPONSIVE! HE CAN LEAP A VERTICAL DISTANCE OF 30 FT! Honestly, I never thought the day would come where someone would doubt Spidey's chances against groups of humans he could oust with ONE PUNCH EACH.

And you say that with Cap's sheild to protect him Spidey will be able of nothing to harm him yet, when I suggest that Spidey could simply pull it out of his grasp and toss it to the side the idea is unthinkable. There's a difference between SUPERHUMAN strength (strength simply above that of what a human can accomplish) and strength at the PEAK OF HUMAN POTENTIAL (strength the likes of which a human is capable of reaching). Geez, what's so hard to comprehend?

And Wolvie could handle the Enforcers in seconds as well as DD (though, as you stated it would "take a minute" with him) but Spidey, a guy that could easily mow through any human and oust one all the same with *one* unpulled punch, a guy that can sense oncoming attacks before they come and dodge them at superhuman response times and speed. And what if Spidey took the battle to the air, attacking the group at multiple angles. You do know that he is fully capable of doing that right? Or he could immoblilize the lot of them with webbing, yep, there's a thought. Oh right, I forgot, one of them has a lasso! I guess that means that they can just hogtie any webbing that touched them and tear it off with their bare hands! (Sarcasm) C'mon man, no offense but get a clue.

You know where I stand on pretty much any Spidey/peak human fist fight or should by now. Spidey outclasses pretty much any human he comes across on any level physically. And we can't forget about how he's, you know, gifted, so, an average-minded human is in an even worse position.

And c'mon Jinzin, you're actually going to believe that Wolvie's brain is going to sit in one spot and not move anywhere when a guy that has a 10+ ton lifting force behind his pucnhes pounds away a relatively thin-layered skull. That's sad. You talk about using comic book evidence when the facts still remain on a vital standpoint: Spidey (superhuman), DD (peak human), Wolvie (mutant in peak condition), Cap (human at the peak of human potential, no more, no less). How is a healing factor supposed to "defend" itself from concussion? How is being at the peak of human potential going to allow to physically keep up with a guy that dodges attacks at a superhuman speed and respone rate factored in with pre-cog? How is having superhuman senses supposed to help you prepare for an attacker you can hear coming but cannot stop and (judging from speed and agility alone) avoid? Face it. There have been times where Spidey was written to struggle in a battle with Wolvie or DD only to bounce back and duke it out with the likes of Scorpion and Venom. Spidey has always been written to make stupid mistakes when dealing with peak humans such as DD and mutants on a physically low level such as Wolvie he would not normally make simply because if he was written otherwise ala the way he was supposed to be written then at the very least he'd taunt them the entire time while leaping over their heads and decorating them with a wide spread of webbing.

And it is pretty funny how Wolvie does IN FACT not possess the strength to pull away from webbing stronger than steel cable but does it anyway. Isn't it funny how people duck and dodge over common sense?

Okay, so you're willing to believe that Wolvie could make a fool out of a guy that could demolish a building with his bare hands to relieve stress? A guy that contorts in between lasers and bullets and such in mid-air on and off the webline? A guy that had in that same fight punched a brick chimney into halves? Tell me you're joking. Tell me you don't believe that Wolvie could backhand Spidey that far. C'mon! Spidey even stated that he thought the guy was an imposter, secondly, is Spidey not maneuverable enough in the air to avoid a kick to the stomach from Wolvie or a backhand of those sorts? Maybe you don't know the answer to that question. I do. Spidey's too much for Wolvie, he's too much for Cap, he's too mcuh for DD....and that only makes for a quick fight courtesy of Spidey's fists if there were any Spidey/Wolvie, Spidey/Cap, and Spidey/DD confrontations so their fights are written in a way where Spidey makes all kinds of stupid mistakes and doesn't dodge at a certain time where he normally would in the case of Scorpion or Venom throwing said punch. It's just that simple. It's not fact, just a shrewd way of making the unavoidable avoidable.

I never asked you to show Spidey lifting and throwing cars, catching trucks and such thrown at him, etc. Doesn't mean he can't do it. That's where you neglect. Funny how fact never gets accounted for by you simply because fact never suites YOUR argument.

you really put it don hard hopefully this is the last page on the thread. people just don,t get it spidey is the man.

Originally posted by StrawNilla
It's sad you can't accept that Spidey is too much for a group of humans organized or not. Look at his stats, the power, the proof is in the pudding. The guy can SENSE attacks BEFORE they come. He can lift *press* 10+ tons. HE CAN ADHERE TO MOST SURFACES! HE IS SUPERHUMAN AGILE AND RESPONSIVE! HE CAN LEAP A VERTICAL DISTANCE OF 30 FT! Honestly, I never thought the day would come where someone would doubt Spidey's chances against groups of humans he could oust with ONE PUNCH EACH.

And you say that with Cap's sheild to protect him Spidey will be able of nothing to harm him yet, when I suggest that Spidey could simply pull it out of his grasp and toss it to the side the idea is unthinkable. There's a difference between SUPERHUMAN strength (strength simply above that of what a human can accomplish) and strength at the PEAK OF HUMAN POTENTIAL (strength the likes of which a human is capable of reaching). Geez, what's so hard to comprehend?

And Wolvie could handle the Enforcers in seconds as well as DD (though, as you stated it would "take a minute" with him) but Spidey, a guy that could easily mow through any human and oust one all the same with *one* unpulled punch, a guy that can sense oncoming attacks before they come and dodge them at superhuman response times and speed. And what if Spidey took the battle to the air, attacking the group at multiple angles. You do know that he is fully capable of doing that right? Or he could immoblilize the lot of them with webbing, yep, there's a thought. Oh right, I forgot, one of them has a lasso! I guess that means that they can just hogtie any webbing that touched them and tear it off with their bare hands! (Sarcasm) C'mon man, no offense but get a clue.

You know where I stand on pretty much any Spidey/peak human fist fight or should by now. Spidey outclasses pretty much any human he comes across on any level physically. And we can't forget about how he's, you know, gifted, so, an average-minded human is in an even worse position.

And c'mon Jinzin, you're actually going to believe that Wolvie's brain is going to sit in one spot and not move anywhere when a guy that has a 10+ ton lifting force behind his pucnhes pounds away a relatively thin-layered skull. That's sad. You talk about using comic book evidence when the facts still remain on a vital standpoint: Spidey (superhuman), DD (peak human), Wolvie (mutant in peak condition), Cap (human at the peak of human potential, no more, no less). How is a healing factor supposed to "defend" itself from concussion? How is being at the peak of human potential going to allow to physically keep up with a guy that dodges attacks at a superhuman speed and respone rate factored in with pre-cog? How is having superhuman senses supposed to help you prepare for an attacker you can hear coming but cannot stop and (judging from speed and agility alone) avoid? Face it. There have been times where Spidey was written to struggle in a battle with Wolvie or DD only to bounce back and duke it out with the likes of Scorpion and Venom. Spidey has always been written to make stupid mistakes when dealing with peak humans such as DD and mutants on a physically low level such as Wolvie he would not normally make simply because if he was written otherwise ala the way he was supposed to be written then at the very least he'd taunt them the entire time while leaping over their heads and decorating them with a wide spread of webbing.

And it is pretty funny how Wolvie does IN FACT not possess the strength to pull away from webbing stronger than steel cable but does it anyway. Isn't it funny how people duck and dodge over common sense?

Okay, so you're willing to believe that Wolvie could make a fool out of a guy that could demolish a building with his bare hands to relieve stress? A guy that contorts in between lasers and bullets and such in mid-air on and off the webline? A guy that had in that same fight punched a brick chimney into halves? Tell me you're joking. Tell me you don't believe that Wolvie could backhand Spidey that far. C'mon! Spidey even stated that he thought the guy was an imposter, secondly, is Spidey not maneuverable enough in the air to avoid a kick to the stomach from Wolvie or a backhand of those sorts? Maybe you don't know the answer to that question. I do. Spidey's too much for Wolvie, he's too much for Cap, he's too mcuh for DD....and that only makes for a quick fight courtesy of Spidey's fists if there were any Spidey/Wolvie, Spidey/Cap, and Spidey/DD confrontations so their fights are written in a way where Spidey makes all kinds of stupid mistakes and doesn't dodge at a certain time where he normally would in the case of Scorpion or Venom throwing said punch. It's just that simple. It's not fact, just a shrewd way of making the unavoidable avoidable.

I never asked you to show Spidey lifting and throwing cars, catching trucks and such thrown at him, etc. Doesn't mean he can't do it. That's where you neglect. Funny how fact never gets accounted for by you simply because fact never suites YOUR argument.

you really put it down hard hopefully this is the last page on the thread. people just don,t get it spidey is the man.

Good points..lets break my responses down to each alpabetically..lol

"a) Spider Man knows Captain America, Wolverine's, and DD's fighting styles...lol..this argument can easily go both ways.."

ummmmmm.....I'm not debating that.....🙄 .....lol. My whole point is that the trio knows spidey through actuall confrontations....the x-men didn't. The trio won't be surprised by any of spiderman's tactics, nor will they underestimate him because they know what he's capible of. my point still stands.

"b) The X-men at that time didn't have as much team experience, however, they were fairly experienced

Once again you're arguing a point I'm not trying to debate.

"..the fact of the matter is, they underestimated Spider-Man..experience in itself had little to do with the fight..."

The actual fact of the matter is that the trio has more experience than the x-men in question.....much more....much much more. And not only general battlefeild experience, but experience in 1on1 confrontations with spidey himself. This gives them a HUGE edge over the x team that the x-men simply didn't have. Experience had little to do with that fight because the x-men didn't have enough of it....but for this fight, the situations COMPLETELY different due to the experience in question. My point STILL stands.

"c) Yes and neither will the Trio..remember..Spider Sense..it warns him of all "surprise" attacks...lol.."

"lol" indeed....Did I ever say that the trio was going to surprise attack spidey in that last couple posts? (scratches head) funny....I don't see that anywhere.(sigh) once again...you're arguing a point, that's irrilevent to the example. the points still standin.

d) Uhh no they don't....this scenario has never actually taken place in actual comic book continuity...how the hell do you know that they are going to work well as a team with no prep...answer: you don't...

okay the battle itself has never taken place no...but as far as the team leadership/work thing goes, capt.jk already answered that....and if I truley have to explain why oh why captain america would be a better team leader hence better teamwork than cyclops....you are far beyond my help, and the only one losing credibility here.....is you.

e) Again..goes both ways..does Spidey ever fight for the kill?...lol..hint: The answer is no...lol

AGAIN!........am I arguing that spidey never goes for the kill?.....NO....DAMN!......anyways the point remains, spidey ran through a bunch of surprsied x-men, who didn't want to hurt him in a non-fight.......This is not a non-fight.....nuff said.

f)...he's human...and regardless of how he's written in the comics...in this scenario..which is directly based on comic continuity...he will not be fighting under normal stipulations and circumstances...thus..he can loose...if he couldn'tl..there would be no point in debating this topic...duuuhh...

LOL......(sigh).....yeah.....point F.......that was supposed to be humorous.....guess I gave you too much credit to figure that one out on your own huh?..."duuuhh..."

"Actually I used to own that issue...as well as many others...the story was an overall description of SM's abilities...the biggest point of the picture was to illustrate the speed of SM's reflexes..which as it has been repeated many times...are up to 30 times"

hahahahahahahahaha.....do you see me debating spiderman's reflex speed? anywhere? no? then why do you keep regurdgitating the same information over and over and over again?

"...however...Hulk was used as an example because the two have fought many times...and generally..that's the type of scenario that takes place in many of their encounters...any way..the reference is "credible" based on the fact that it was in a "comic book" published by Marvel to exemplify Spidey's speed....which is much greater than any of the Trio's... "

Oooooookay.......so we are to discredit several books where wolverine beat up on spiderman, one book where cap humiliated him....and multiple books where DD gives spidey a good run for his money? YET we are to take into account a ranting by peter parker about his own powers, despite the fact that the illustrations are used to give the reader a general idea of his capabilities or theother fact that it isn't even an actual fight BECAUSE......it's in a comic published by marvel? rrrrrrrrriiiiiiiight...now who's being contradictory?
If that is a credible example because it was a comic pupliched by marvel I present you with WHAT IF: The X-men Lost Inferno? issue. Wolverine "aces" spidey by running him clean through....Using your logic (to use examples that came from a published comic book despite not being real, or in continuity, etc)....this fight ends with a victory for the trio......again. and once again......who here is debating that spiderman isn't the fastest super hero in this thread? point out this mystery person....please!

"Well..Your being a little misleading. How many times did Hulk swing at SM before he actually got a hold of him..quite a few if I do remember correctly...In most of those battles Spidey did essentially what was illustrated in the example....bobed and weaved for quite some time against the Hulk...until the Hulk finally got fast enough to keep up..(he gets stronger and faster as he gets angrier you know) or he used non-conventional means to subdue the wall crawler. (ie sonic clap)
Anyway..my point is that SM consistantly is difficult for someone as fast as the Hulk to hit...now why in the hell would he be any easier for the Trio to hit..they are in no way faster than the Hulk...."

lol...in amazing spiderman 119-120. I'm not being misleading at all....spiderman stayed the **** away from Hulk, he only ever even layed a foot/hand on him when he caught hulk by surprise at the beginning of the chase (wasn't much of a fight, since spiderman ran away the whole time) when spidey got close to hulk, it went down exactly how I said it happened....hulk grabbed him by the ankle and chucked him away, spiderman was bounding anwhere within hulk's vacinity as that picture implies. As far as Amazing Spiderman 381-382 goes.....spiderman was bounding around hulk fairly nicely but again he was doing exactly what I said....running away with style, getting his hits in where he could.....nothing like how that pic displays him, (hitting hulk from multiple angles so fast that hulk looks stationary by comparison). And once again I never said the trio was straight up faster than Hulk.....they just have numbers on their side...you tell me why these trio members have already (ALL) been able to hit spidey (I feel another crap writing argument coming from team spidey lol).

"I'm not positive about the others..but in 381 and 382 he wasn't really able to hit him...(correct me if I'm wrong..I believe he had to use the thunderclap before he was able to get a hold of him)"

thank you I WILL correct you, before the thunderclap Hulk got in a blow that gave spiderman a concussion. Spidey was too messed up to recover quickly and doc samson had to save his butt. had doc not been there to save him the fight would have been over for spidey pure and simple.

"but again.."history" has proven him very difficult to hit by Marvel's heavy hitters when going all out..(ie Hulk, Thor, IM, She Hulk, Titania, Sabretooth, etc, etc, etc)"

Yeah....I'm not debating this either. lol. but then again......history has "proven" that any one of these guys can respectively hold their own against spidey, that cap is the best man for the job of leader, and that wolverine is unstopable when in a bloodlust.....BTW you think that sabretooth (back in his iron fist days) was considered a heavy hitter? HA!

"no one has ever stated that its not possible for him to be hit"
uhhhhh you may want to talk to strawnilla about this one. lol.

"It's funny how you guys contradict yourselves so much in this debate...lol..using your logic..I could easily state that Spidey wasn't as "experienced" with the enforcers as he will be when facing the Trio...lol..but I won't instead I will state that Spider Man has also proven to be able to take on multiple people on much greater levels than the Trio and the Enforcers and prevailed...I've already sited multiple examples of this..refer to previous posts if you need more clarity..."

lol. coming from spiderman fans who want to cite comic book occurances, then instead, use statistics in marvel guides etc, THEN argue how the characters SHOULD be written, THEN go back to using comic book references all the while discrediting any examples in the trios favor as bad writing, and at the same time upholding ALL of spiderman's high end showings, but neglecting his low end showings.......yeah...I'll just let the general public decide where the contradictory lies here. lol.

anyways....it's absolutely true....spiderman wasn't in anyway as experienced as he is now...but if his lack of experience is WHY he got hit in the first place....than his spider sense wasn't doing a whole lot to help him there was it? If we are to discredit this based on experience may I remind you that these guys were no where near the experience level of the trio...perhaps then experience is a non-facotr for that fight...okay....but still spiderman and all of his powers, backed down and beat up by a bunch of guys who had nothin super about them. Despite his spidersense....the numbers game kept catching up to him. Now you add in all of spiderman's experience....and automatically it is equaled perhaps even overshadowed by the trio. The numbers game will still catch up to him...and that's what this threads all about.

"Again..with the Enforcers..lol...old story...but still "historical" okay..well we can also reference Spidey "historically" destroying objects such as concrete, metal, and other extremel difficult dense substances with his hands..are Caps/DD's durability as strong as the substances..well Marvel doesn't seem to think soo...lol....at least in their handbooks when they reference their durability being that of an "athelete"...lol...as far as your XMA argument goes..I have no idea what the hell your talking about.."

lol..again........I'M NOT DEBATING SPIDERMANS CAPABILITY TO DESTROY SOLID OBJECTS! hahahahaha.The XMA example explains exactly......EXACTLY why cap and dd will be able to survive "power punches".....and I don't see how this ranting takes away from the fact that spiderman hit ox with unpulled punches (a guy with less durability than cap and arguable dd) and remained fine......oh wait....IT DOESN'T!

"but I guarantee that few people with "human" level durabilities would be able to withstand something dense enough to destroy metal/concrete/ going at the speed of 3-4 times that of a normal "human"...lol...you are now free to contradict yourself..."

agreed....and captain america and daredevil definitely fit into this category of "few". As far as marvel handbooks and guides go...they are constantly proven to be just as inconsistant and inaccurate as any P.I.S. has ever been. "historically" as you might say, we can ALLLLL agree that daredevil and cap have taken times more punishment than any normal human athlete's body would allow.

"lol..well...I've read 345 and 425..and Wolvie didn't dance around that much..as in at all. In fact..he got hit a ton of times..."

lol...read em again. In incredible hulk 345 hulk keeps harrassing wolverine trying to lunge at him and hit him, wolverine uses the same run away with style tactic that spiderman made famous....and it works for a while. Hulk thunderlaps and hurts wolvie due to his enhances hearing...Wolverine loses it, and attacks hulk head on...point is...while wolverine's fighting style and style preference is more suited to head on confrontations....he can bound out of hulks grasp just like spidey all the same. Inc Hulk 425. wolverine is clearly shown to jump over hulks head avoiding blows and kicking him in the back of the noggin....but because wolvie's staying in close....he got smacked.
Now for the more applicable examples. Inc. Hulk 182. In a fight with both wendigo and hulk...wolverine is literally bounding from creature to creature on and off the entire time avoidind everything that either hulk or wendi throws at him.....in fact hulk only gets two hits on him in this fight period...one cheap shot when wolvies chained up....and another cheap shot when wolvie isn't lookin. Then in marvel adventures 5 (i believe) wolverine is fighting abomination ....a hulk-level character. he's right in abomination's face avoiding his shots all the while proclaiming: "your strength don't mean beans if you can hit me" lol.

"LOL..well I agree with everything you stated except the "non fight" part...now my question to you is..since history has proven him able to do this..what's keeping him from using this tactic once again..."

for exactly that reason...it was a non fight. since history has proven him tobe able to do so....what will keep Wolverine from backhanding or punching spiderman with his claws OUT? especially since he's already done it, and hit spidey with sheathed claws on several occasions. since history has proven him to do so....what will keep cap from humiliating spiderman? since history has proven him to do so...what will keep DD from giving spidey a good run for his money?

"Yes you are..so far you haven't shot down anything except for you "credibility"...lol..get a good nights sleep..and try harder to disprove them next time..."

Ummmm I have nothing left to disprove or counter that I haven't already. My points still stand, and have yet to be shot down or countered themselves.....maybe next time you should debate the actual points in question and not just some random crap you pull out of your ass....nice try though.

"It's sad you can't accept that Spidey is too much for a group of humans organized or not. Look at his stats, the power, the proof is in the pudding. The guy can SENSE attacks BEFORE they come. He can lift *press* 10+ tons. HE CAN ADHERE TO MOST SURFACES! HE IS SUPERHUMAN AGILE AND RESPONSIVE! HE CAN LEAP A VERTICAL DISTANCE OF 30 FT! Honestly, I never thought the day would come where someone would doubt Spidey's chances against groups of humans he could oust with ONE PUNCH EACH. "
hmmmm one punch each.....read spiderman vs. wolverine spiderman laid into him like a damned jackhammer and wolverine just kept coming. These are not just some ordinary human beings....if that's what you think they are, it's no wonder why you still vote in favor of spiderman on this one. It's sad....how many times do these three guys have to prove themselves against powerhouses...or spiderman for that matter...before they get the damned respect they deserve. and by the way...it's been said by spiderman himself that his spidersense helps him to sense danger...but not exactly where it's coming from......if it where how you describe it then he never would be hit....but it ain't. stop giving him powers along with your benefit of the doubt.

"And you say that with Cap's sheild to protect him Spidey will be able of nothing to harm him yet, when I suggest that Spidey could simply pull it out of his grasp and toss it to the side the idea is unthinkable. There's a difference between SUPERHUMAN strength (strength simply above that of what a human can accomplish) and strength at the PEAK OF HUMAN POTENTIAL (strength the likes of which a human is capable of reaching). Geez, what's so hard to comprehend?"

nothing about that is hard to comprehend. but when spidey is reaching for caps sheild he's gonna get a face full of glove, claw, and billy club. He won't just be reaching in for cap's sheild to toss it aside or he'll get pumbled in the process. jeesh.of coarse if you want to put your character in the middle of an asswhoopin go right ahead.

"And Wolvie could handle the Enforcers in seconds as well as DD (though, as you stated it would "take a minute" with him) but Spidey, a guy that could easily mow through any human and oust one all the same with *one* unpulled punch, a guy that can sense oncoming attacks before they come and dodge them at superhuman response times and speed. And what if Spidey took the battle to the air, attacking the group at multiple angles. You do know that he is fully capable of doing that right? Or he could immoblilize the lot of them with webbing, yep, there's a thought. Oh right, I forgot, one of them has a lasso! I guess that means that they can just hogtie any webbing that touched them and tear it off with their bare hands! (Sarcasm) C'mon man, no offense but get a clue."

pfffft those are your words not mine. lol. spidey can go arieal if he wants but he'll be at the trios mercy on the way down. Wolvie can dodge bullets....you think he can't avoid,(or at the very least brace) for webbing if he has to? you think DD wouldn't sense the webbing coming at him and avoid it like he can do with bullseye projectiles (no small feat my friend)? you think cap won't be able to move just as faster if not faster than wolvie? sounds like it's you who needs to get a clue bud.

"You know where I stand on pretty much any Spidey/peak human fist fight or should by now. Spidey outclasses pretty much any human he comes across on any level physically. And we can't forget about how he's, you know, gifted, so, an average-minded human is in an even worse position."

Average minded? means nothing in this fight....once again spidey's not fightin 3 regualr chumps...all of these guys have battlefeild smarts that they can actually apply on their feet despite what you think. and I never debated who had the physical advantage here.

"And c'mon Jinzin, you're actually going to believe that Wolvie's brain is going to sit in one spot and not move anywhere when a guy that has a 10+ ton lifting force behind his pucnhes pounds away a relatively thin-layered skull. That's sad. You talk about using comic book evidence when the facts still remain on a vital standpoint: Spidey (superhuman), DD (peak human), Wolvie (mutant in peak condition), Cap (human at the peak of human potential, no more, no less). How is a healing factor supposed to "defend" itself from concussion? How is being at the peak of human potential going to allow to physically keep up with a guy that dodges attacks at a superhuman speed and respone rate factored in with pre-cog? How is having superhuman senses supposed to help you prepare for an attacker you can hear coming but cannot stop and (judging from speed and agility alone) avoid? Face it. There have been times where Spidey was written to struggle in a battle with Wolvie or DD only to bounce back and duke it out with the likes of Scorpion and Venom. Spidey has always been written to make stupid mistakes when dealing with peak humans such as DD and mutants on a physically low level such as Wolvie he would not normally make simply because if he was written otherwise ala the way he was supposed to be written then at the very least he'd taunt them the entire time while leaping over their heads and decorating them with a wide spread of webbing."
ummmm have you read that many wolverine comics...on averagethe guy gets KOed when either A) somethings already wrong with him: he's poisioned, ill, or already fought a small army. or B) a cheap shot. Out of about 7 or 8 fights with the hulk he's been KOed during 2 of those fights....both were cheap shots. an ordinary human in the real world would have a concussion no question.....but in comic land given the character in quiestion...spidey isn't knockin out shit.and how am I supposed to explain to you how peak humans and other street speed characters can hit spidey pre-cog or not....when you simply call those valid comic book examples non facts? DD's senses have already allowed him to counter spidey's speed...nuff said.

"And it is pretty funny how Wolvie does IN FACT not possess the strength to pull away from webbing stronger than steel cable but does it anyway. Isn't it funny how people duck and dodge over common sense?"
just like .....oh I dunno YOU for instance.

" Tell me you don't believe that Wolvie could backhand Spidey that far."
ummm he could......he did....you don't like the explaination I gave for it...counter it with something better.
"C'mon! Spidey even stated that he thought the guy was an imposter, secondly, is Spidey not maneuverable enough in the air to avoid a kick to the stomach from Wolvie or a backhand of those sorts?"
spidey thinking it was an imposter is irrelivent esp. when it's pretty obvious spidey had the intent to hurt...crushing more solid objects and all. and as far as his maneuverability....like you said the proof is in the pudding....anyone with two eyes in their skull can see what wolvie did to him.
"Maybe you don't know the answer to that question. I do. Spidey's too much for Wolvie, he's too much for Cap, he's too mcuh for DD....and that only makes for a quick fight courtesy of Spidey's fists if there were any Spidey/Wolvie, Spidey/Cap, and Spidey/DD confrontations so their fights are written in a way where Spidey makes all kinds of stupid mistakes and doesn't dodge at a certain time where he normally would in the case of Scorpion or Venom throwing said punch. It's just that simple. It's not fact, just a shrewd way of making the unavoidable avoidable."
yeah it's not a fact even though it actually happened....in that case spdey dodging scorp and venom isn't fact either cause it happend...in that case spiderman's entire existence isn't a fact either cause it happend too. lol. pathetic.

"I never asked you to show Spidey lifting and throwing cars, catching trucks and such thrown at him, etc. Doesn't mean he can't do it. That's where you neglect. Funny how fact never gets accounted for by you simply because fact never suites YOUR argument."
LOL read this in the mirror buddy. hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahah. boy that was damn good for a laugh though!

I wonder if anyone is going to bother reading all that, either way, Spidey goes down so hard in this fight he quits the game, his self esteem is shattered, Mary Jane leave him, and Aunt May rolls in her grave.

Originally posted by Capt.JK
Hey, I saw that show. Very cool. And I agree with everything you've said. Pure genius. Ain't it great how all the smarts are on our side?💃

Amen to what Mercilous just stated about Jin's post..jeeez...lol..anyway..

Anyway..in response to JK..lol..smarts..this is coming from 30ish..(possibly older) guy who..

a) Has admitted to idolizing a "fictional" male comic book character..
b) Acts is if he is defending a real person when anyone says anything against said character..
c) Challenges people to fights on a comic book forumn...and then send private messages threatening them..lol..

d) Has been quoted as referring another user in this forumn as "sexy"....
(ie "And she thinks I'm sexy too"..."Jinzin's post was so beautiful"...lol...)

e) Calls himself a writer and criticizes others grammar...however..he can't even use appropriate grammar when evaluating others posts...lol..

Call me crazy..but genius/smarts doesn't really sound like an accurate word to describe ya Cap..crazy, unbalanced, lunatic, and looser come to mind..but genius..naaaaaw....

In response to much of what you and Jinzin posted(To be honest Jinzin's post are so damb long and illegible, contradictory, and repetitive..so I rarely directly respond to them)....lol..well there really isn't much to respond too..most of what you stated was just repetitive fanboyistic speal..and has been accurately responded to many times...so I'll stand by what has been posted for over 75 some odd pages...lol...and JK do yourself a favor buddy..get out...experience life..and go see shrink...seriously my man..you really need some professional help..

Peace out my brothas...Straw...Who_Kid..Scoobles...and all ya other Trio supporters...thanks for making this a fun debate....time to smoke some herb...and listen to so rap music...lol 😮‍💨

Spiderman is great, We all agree on that.
However, just look at who he is fighting.
Even if he wins this,
It won't be an easy win.
I said "if" he wins.

😎 😮‍💨

Originally posted by jinzin
lol. coming from spiderman fans who want to cite comic book occurances, then instead, use statistics in marvel guides etc, THEN argue how the characters SHOULD be written, THEN go back to using comic book references all the while discrediting any examples in the trios favor as bad writing, and at the same time upholding ALL of spiderman's high end showings, but neglecting his low end showings.......yeah...I'll just let the general public decide where the contradictory lies here. lol.

There is absolutely no way I could have pointed this out better myself. Well put, 'jinzin'. 😆

"In response to much of what you and Jinzin posted(To be honest Jinzin's post are so damb long and illegible, contradictory, and repetitive..so I rarely directly respond to them)....lol..well there really isn't much to respond too..most of what you stated was just repetitive fanboyistic speal..and has been accurately responded to many times...so I'll stand by what has been posted for over 75 some odd pages...lol...and JK do yourself a favor buddy..get out...experience life..and go see shrink...seriously my man..you really need some professional help.."

show me the contradictions! you may see them but you don't convey them well on paper. Half of your argument relied on points that A) I wasn't trying to argue and B) had nothing to do with the points/counterpoints I had made earlier.

Now when you've run out of rebuttles. when you've painted yourself into a corner you have to resort to critizing captJK's geekdom? WHAT THE F***..... well I guess it really is all you have left since the spidey debate ain't going so well for ya... but guess what... we're all freakin geeks. Anyone defending spidey against these three heroes has to be a spidey fan boy....if they're defending spidey and they are not a fanboy...then they just have no idea what they're trying to debate. At least captjk had the cojones to admit he's a captain america fan boy.
however, fanboy issues aside, the fact still remains. fanboy or not we have given you scenarios, and (IN CONTINUITY) factual events with references to specific issues that support our debate. All you have left to fall back on is the bad writing argument and insults. pfffffft yeah real nice debate ya got there. oh yeah and of course the good old denial denial denial that straw is sportin......ridiculous. you wanna continue this...why don't you actually shoot down my debate points....you know the points I actually made that delt with the questions you actually asked.

You want another reason why spiderman's gonna get pummbled by these guys?
I got 3. prowler. man mountain marko. and Kingpin.
two of these guys are just regular guys. less impressive than cap or wolverine by far. the other man mountain marko.....all he has going for him is some super strength...no super speed, or agility, no pre-cog, just a little bit of super strength.....despite ALL of spiderman's powers, it didn't stop prowler from taggin spidey, kingpin from kicking the crap out of spiderman on several occasions in h2h, or man mountain marko from stomping a muddhole in spideys big red and blue ass. now add all of these guys on a team (a team that's far less impressive than the trio) and see how well spidey fairs against them. Hell even wilson fist times 3 would probably kill spidey and he's just on par with Daredevil.....you know the week link of the team......funny thing is....I haven't even had to resort to that many cap books, DD books, or wolverine books, to debate this issue. Almst 75% of my comic book references IN SUPPORT of the trio come from spiderman titles themselves. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. STUFF THAT DOWN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT!

Originally posted by whobdamandog
Amen to what Mercilous just stated...

I tried to keep it to the comics, but here we go again:

First of all, we have more proof that you can't read. 'MERCILOUS' was agreeing with 'jinzin' and our side in general, just as he has this entire thread. As I read his post, I can't even begin to figure out how in the hell you could have possibly misinterpreted it, unless of course you can't read. There it is.

Now for my retort back to you:
First of all, I'm 35. Says so right there in my bio. Again, if you could read, you would know that.

Now for your other pathetic little non-topic related jabs:
A) I have never hidden the fact that Captain America is my favorite comic character. I have also given the reasons why, and they have to do with my now deceased grandfather getting me into collecting comics when I was a child by giving me several extremely old books, namely some Captain America's that he actually carried into combat during WW2, and telling me the stories that went with those books. My grandfather is the reason I started collecting comics in the first place.
B) Nope. I don't think I get any more heated about people insulting my favorite character than anyone else on this thread. Maybe you should look at some of the posts from your buddy, 'strawnilla'.
C) Actually, the only two people I have had any real issues with on this forum are both real assholes; that would be you and 'Linkaliscous'. My private message to him was an attempt to take my beef off the thread so that we could stay on topic here. I even posted that at the time. No apologies from me to either one of you. Piss off.
D) The "sexy" reference was in response to something having to do with my girlfriend (who thinks I'm sexy as hell, btw). And 'jinzin's' post was beautiful. Well thought out and made great fun of you Spidey-fanboys. It's not my fault we're smarter than you.
E) I am a writer. My editor thinks you're a joke (he's read over this thread a couple of times because we were talking about it). He suggests you take a remedial course. I hear McDonald's has a burger academy you could probably get into.

Now for the insults:
You're pathetic. 'Nuff said.

As for you not reading 'jinzin's' posts, well, I'm not surprised. I've pointed out your remedial reading skills several times over. Maybe if you had someone read them to you, you would realize how well thought out his answers are and that he and I back up our posts with references to actual published books. Not like some other people we could point out (you, 'strawnilla'...)

Originally posted by whobdamandog
...time to smoke some herb...and listen to so rap music...

Well now, that explains everything, doesn't it?

dammit not wilson fist.....wilson fisk...lol

i gotta admit after skimming my own posts I DO have a lot of spelling and grammerical problems...but that still doesn't take away from my points, nor is this an english paper so who cares?

Originally posted by Capt.JK

First of all, I'm 35. Says so right there in my bio. Again, if you could read, you would know that.

Now for your other pathetic little non-topic related jabs:
A) I have never hidden the fact that Captain America is my favorite comic character. I have also given the reasons why, and they have to do with my now deceased grandfather getting me into collecting comics when I was a child by giving me several extremely old books, namely some Captain America's that he actually carried into combat during WW2, and telling me the stories that went with those books. My grandfather is the reason I started collecting comics in the first place.
B) Nope. I don't think I get any more heated about people insulting my favorite character than anyone else on this thread. Maybe you should look at some of the posts from your buddy, 'strawnilla'.
C) Actually, the only two people I have had any real issues with on this forum are both real assholes; that would be you and 'Linkaliscous'. My private message to him was an attempt to take my beef off the thread so that we could stay on topic here. I even posted that at the time. No apologies from me to either one of you. Piss off.
D) The "sexy" reference was in response to something having to do with my girlfriend (who thinks I'm sexy as hell, btw). And 'jinzin's' post was beautiful. Well thought out and made great fun of you Spidey-fanboys. It's not my fault we're smarter than you.
E) I am a writer. My editor thinks you're a joke (he's read over this thread a couple of times because we were talking about it). He suggests you take a remedial course. I hear McDonald's has a burger academy you could probably get into.

When you refer to "editor", your referring to your shrink right.. 😆 😆

Call me crazy..but the fact that you actually take the time to go over this thread with your "editor", send threatening pm's to others, and "idolize" a fictional "male" character..really validates my assumption of your "sanity"...lol..but you can go ahead and continue to respond..it's funny to read crazy people's rantings...lol...

Anyway's I have a theory about spiderman's spider sense. It's one that keeps spiderman IN CHARACTER and explains why he gets hit by street levels.....Spiderman's spider sense works on varying degrees. The spider-sense as a different reaction to different threats. Like the sense of vision spiderman can stress his spidersense if he needs to but it still works like eyesight...focusing on what spiderman is focused on or paying attention to but still getting the jist of the rest of his surroundings.
The spider sense allows spiderman to dodge bullets because the bullets are a serious threat....Just like how spiderman can dodge a few of hulk's punches (before running away) because Hulks fists are a serious, potentially deadly threat....likewise however, because street level characters don't pose a "deadly" threat to spiderman, his spider sense doesn't compensate for him to dodge them all the time. This would explain why spidey can dance around lazers and sybiotes but man mountain marko still bludgened him. The real drawback to this theory for spiderman is that spidey CAN be hit by streeters...just like he has in the past. When Cap and wolvie start going for the kill and spiderman's spidersense tells him to get the hell out of dodge spiderman will allready be fatigued his speed and reflexes not up to par because he's been getting the crap knocked out of him......he makes a mistake and the fights over.

"Call me crazy..but the fact that you actually take the time to go over this thread with your "editor", send threatening pm's to others, and "idolize" a fictional "male" character..really validates my assumption of your "sanity"...lol..but you can go ahead and continue to respond..it's funny to read crazy peoples rantings...lol..."

1) I don't see how this changes the fact that spiderman's still losing this fight.
and
2) He didn't say him and his editor were sitting there analyzing the damn debate, probably just skimming it over for a good laugh, I've done this with a couple friends as well.
3) once again....all you have to rely on are insults because your debating skills couldn't get the job done. pathetic.

the real funny thing is...you're the only one laughin. pffffft.

Originally posted by jinzin
2) He didn't say him and his editor were sitting there analyzing the damn debate, probably just skimming it over for a good laugh, I've done this with a couple friends as well.

That's exactly the way it was, but of course 'whobda...' has to try and twist things again because he sounds so pathetic. My editor is also in his thirties and happens to be a really good friend of mine. He likes comics (mostly DC, unfortunately), and when I mentioned this thread to him he wanted to check it out. He spent a whole day reading through it (and several others) and thought it was a real 'hoot'. He also said that there were good points on both sides of our debate, but he tended to agree that the trio would win.