Parallax vs. Dark Phoenix

Originally posted by Mr Master
Atleast you would have been ignorant on how I stand concerning BIOS nowadays.

Unlike KK, who I informed prior to this thread, on January 14, 07' ...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/425758_24-everything-cosmic-in-marvel-the-hierarchy-battles-feats-q-a-scans-galore

Atleast our posts revolve around Comic Books and NOT other posters.

And since your full of opinions concerning GS's and MY "behaviour" ...

What opinion do you have of yourself for posting this LIE:

Do you consider yourself a liar?

Or is this one of those incidents where we open our mouths beyond what we know?

It could be an honest mistake of yours, but the amount of false detail you went into says otherwise.

Any need for the name calling?

And we're NOT both right.

How can we both be right?

When GS is saying,

"Galactus was never going to kill Phoenix, that the Stars were going out was an after effect of Rachel and Phoenix being "forcibly" separated, that the Eternal Pattern is the bond between Rachel and Phoenix?

AND I'm saying,

"Phoenix WAS being KILLED by Galactus, the Stars were going out because Phoenix was being ERASED from existence, the "Eternal Pattern" is the Phoenix's ROLE in the Universe (to be the sustenance of the Stars, and SPARK the Big Bang)

We're the "jockstraps" and your the poor soul oppressed by A.D.D. apparently.

It would have ended long ago if he hadn't continuously posted again and again his MIS-Interpretation,

but now after 12 Pages of ON POANEL PROOF, the Official Marvel Universe Handbook BIO ENDS this debate once and for all.

I was RIGHT ... and HE was WRONG. 😄

And yes, it feels good.

i would love to debate comics wit you but your so full of yourself thats its not worth it, jus stick to what you do best and keep posting the same scans over and over, whats the point of me debatin comics wit someone that wil refuse whats been stated on panel already? although i dont agree wit all of GS scans and comments there are plenty that cant be argued against but you will never accept anythin else thats bein said about phoenix, unless you the all knowin and intelectually supperior one says it. 🙄

Originally posted by tiakocom
i would love to debate comics wit you but your so full of yourself thats its not worth it, jus stick to what you do best and keep posting the same scans over and over, whats the point of me debatin comics wit someone that wil refuse whats been stated on panel already? although i dont agree wit all of GS scans and comments there are plenty that cant be argued against but you will never accept anythin else thats bein said about phoenix, unless you the all knowin and intelectually supperior one says it. 🙄

Precisely ✅

TK i respect you. Yes you dont always agree with me and thats cool. In fact i wouldnt have it any other way. How boring would this place be if we all shared the same opinion.

However you come at me with respect and you actually debate. Thats what this place is all about. 😉

Originally posted by tiakocom
i would love to debate comics wit you but your so full of yourself thats its not worth it, jus stick to what you do best and keep posting the same scans over and over, whats the point of me debatin comics wit someone that wil refuse whats been stated on panel already? although i dont agree wit all of GS scans and comments there are plenty that cant be argued against but you will never accept anythin else thats bein said about phoenix, unless you the all knowin and intelectually supperior one says it.

Great,

so your still not saying anything.

Why don't you try and add something to the debate and see if I will not except it?

You say I refuse what has been stated on panel, WHAT are you talking about?

I have NEVER debated with you, so I still don't get what is eating you up.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Precisely ✅

TK i respect you. Yes you dont always agree with me and thats cool. In fact i wouldnt have it any other way. How boring would this place be if we all shared the same opinion.

However you come at me with respect and you actually debate. Thats what this place is all about.

All of sudden we have a saint in the house.

Your such a phony duke,

You lick any balls that say even the most remotely nice thing about you, are you really in that much need of attemtion?

Unfortunately this TK person doesn't know your true colors, or perhaps he refuses to,

whatever.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Great,

so your still not saying anything.

Why don't you try and add something to the debate and see if I will not except it?

You say I refuse what has been stated on panel, WHAT are you talking about?

I have NEVER debated with you, so I still don't get what is eating you up.

You have debated with him. Tiakocom got involved in the debate about the White Hot Room and he laughed off your attempt to use the editors comments to demean my argument when it did no such thing. 🙂

NO that wasnt a cue for you to swamp the thread with scans. 🙄

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You have debated with him. Tiakocom got involved in the debate about the White Hot Room and he laughed off your attempt to use the editors comments to demean my argument when it did no such thing.

Go ahead and LIE your ass off my boy, at this point you have no other remedy.

We all laugh at you dogs, don't forget that.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
NO that wasnt a cue for you to swamp the thread with scans. 🙄

Distract the onlookers from the FACTS,

you LOST

deal with it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Great,

so your still not saying anything.

Why don't you try and add something to the debate and see if I will not except it?

You say I refuse what has been stated on panel, WHAT are you talking about?

I have NEVER debated with you, so I still don't get what is eating you up.

and your sayin plenty right? If i could be bothered to scans my comic books then I would but since I'm not and the fact that most of what I would have added GS has already posted it with scans, true he does interpret some event completely wrong, but the same goes for you, the bits that still puzzle me is in phoenix endsong which was made to demonstrate the ability of phoenix and how no matter how many times its killed it will always come back to life, GS showed and explained that to you yet you denied it and in response you posted a scans from way way back from the 90s ignoring the fact that comic books changes and the writers always make changes to characters

Originally posted by Mr Master
Go ahead and LIE your ass off my boy, at this point you have no other remedy.

We all laugh at you dogs, don't forget that.

Distract the onlookers from the FACTS,

you LOST

deal with it.

so now your disputin the fact that I did get involved in one of your debates? thats the first time I actually realised that you wrong about some of your scans or rather your interpretation of it....the best part was when u tried to argue that jean did not change the future all she did was erase scott's mind and you posted your scan tryin to prove that and i looked at it and didnt see it

Originally posted by tiakocom
so now your disputin the fact that I did get involved in one of your debates? thats the first time I actually realised that you were wrong about some of your scans or rather your interpretation of it....the best part was when u tried to argue that jean did not change the future all she did was erase scott's mind and you posted your scan tryin to prove that and i looked at it and didnt see it

Originally posted by tiakocom
yet you denied it and in response you posted a scans from way way back from the 90s ignoring the fact that comic books changes and the writers always make changes to characters

A crucial point that i felt needed highlighting.

A good example of this would be the Excalibur scans saying Rachel is the one true Phoenix. 😉

hysterical

Originally posted by Mr Master
I knew I was right from the beginning but I don't exactly enjoy kissing myself in the mirror, the facts speak for themselves. (and MARVEL seems to AGREE with me)

Galactus's INTENTION was to just separate the Phoenix Force from Rachel, but Roma told him he could NOT:

When Galactus began this process this happened:

"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"

Then Roma says,

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"

Is Roma saying Phoenix can't be killed? ❌

Is Roma mentioning the ETERNAL PATTERN? ❌

Is Roma in other words saying,

you can't separate the Phoenix from Rachel? ✅

WHY?

Because "THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX"

Originally posted by Mr Master
Roma then says,

"violate at your own peril"

Galactus then says,
"my sustenance is living Planets, the Phoenix can Obliterate an entire Cosmos"

Then Mistress or in this case "Mr" Death responds with,

"and FROM that DEATH (Obliterate an entire Cosmos) bring about New Life (SPARK the Big Bang) but you're CHANGING that, BREAKING the ETERNAL PATTERN"

So the "Eternal Pattern" is Phoenix Force's ROLE in the Universe, to exist as the "SUSTENANCE of the STARS"

and cyclically SPARK the Big Bang which "Obliterates a Cosmos and brings about New Life"

Originally posted by Mr Master
SO once and for all,

the ETERNAL PATTERN was going to be BROKEN, and the STARS were GOING OUT.

and when Roma said this:

"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"

[B]Roma was referring to Phoenix being ERASED from existence, and it's CANON!

(an excerpt from the Roma's OFFICIAL Marvel Universe Handbook Bio)

Bibliography - Excalibur #25 - "WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix"

And here is the Full Page:

Now what's your next excuse Galactic Storm? [/B]

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Official Handbook entry says Roma warned Galactus not to slay Phoenix [B]2

Who is Phoenix 2?

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/p/phoenixiii.htm

There ya go!!!

NOT the Phoenix Force, but Phoenix 2, Rachel Summers. [/B]

Which means WHAT?

WHAT?

Of course Phoenix 1 is Jean Grey so obviuously Rachel is Phoenix 2, since she was the SECOND Phoenix

Is this some kind of joke?

"NOT the Phoenix Force, but Phoenix 2, Rachel Summers"

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"

The Phoenix Force tells Rachel, "ALL I have become, You ARE Too"

"My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit, the Burden of Power, will be YOURS"

The Phoenix Force itself told Rachel,

"You are the ONE TRUE PHOENIX"

hum

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As per usual way ahead of ya junior. Do try and keep up.

So with that your hypocritical use of official handbook bios is rendered a wasted effort.

You been OWNED!

And this isn't empty bravado like your accustomed to, the BIO backs up my interpretation.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your use of the bios when it suits your arguments also means that from now on you cant discount any arguments of mine which use said bios.

So long as it happened ON PANEL!

Phoenix saving Galactus or having ANYTHING to do with Galactus' ORIGIN, will NEVER be excepted until it's artistically depicted.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As for the Phoenix Force it was reborn from the in the Big Bang event. That event saw the rebirth of the Force as we know it at a universal level however said energies are what make up the Force as said on panel. So it is both reborn in the event and is the energies of said event.

Bull shit

No where in the bio does it say Phoenix is the Big Bang or that Phoenix is the energies of the Big Bang.

Nice try.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Once again good try. Both points are stated on panel. Find me one source that says Phoenix is NOT the energies of the Big Bang?

Besides the single AMBIGUOUS Reed quote, show me one source that does say Phoenix is the Big Bang that re-creates a Universe.

You have sources that VERBALLY label the Phoenix Force in its Natural State as the "Fires" that consume a Universe during a Big Bang, but I challenge you find a source that says Phoenix creates the Universe that results from a Big Bang.

Originally posted by tiakocom
so now your disputin the fact that I did get involved in one of your debates? thats the first time I actually realised that you wrong about some of your scans or rather your interpretation of it....

the best part was when u tried to argue that jean did not change the future all she did was erase scott's mind and you posted your scan tryin to prove that and i looked at it and didnt see it

The best part is watching you AGAIN, posting either lies, or a serious case of I dislike Mr Master.

I NEVER said Phoenix did not alter the Future, so that's bullshit ... no offense.

In FACT I said Phoenix DID alter the Future but it was in the form she did it me and GS were arguing about.

GS says Jean manipulated the Universe to change the events of "Here Comes Tomorrow"

I posted what Grant Morrison said concerning HOW Jean performed that task:

according to GRANT MORRISON, you know, the guy Who WROTE the Story

Close up:

(excerpt from the Questionnaires addressed to the Writers, last page New X-Men #155)

Phoenix went to the PAST and CHANGED Scott's mind about Emma, and this altered the events of "Here Comes Tomorrow" which were initiated when Scott rejected Emma earlier on.

Ummm well if the Handbook is referring to Phoenix 2 then your attempt to use that as evidence that the Force was dying FLOPS. THATS WHAT! 😱

Phoenix is depicted saving all life from the previous universe Galan lived in. Had she not done that then Galan wouldnt have made it to the Cosmic Egg. He would have died.

The bio says the Phoenix was reborn in the Big Bang. Youre right it doesnt say she is the Big Bang but it DOES say she is the life force of reality. While the bio doesnt say Phoenix is the Big Bang it alludes to it but more importantly ON PANEL Phoenix is stated by captions and by characters to be both the Big Bang and the energies of creation.

I see. Now youre gonna try and flip it and say that because its not stated in the bio although its stated on panel then its not canon? BIG HYPOCRITE 👇

"challenge you find a source that says Phoenix creates the Universe that results from a Big Bang."

What sh*t is that? So basically youre saying that unless i post scans that are worded in the exact way you want then theyre invalid? 🤨

Get the hell outta here 😂

Youre being a sore loser now and its quite apparent. 👇

Ive shown you 616 scans saying Phoenix was the Big Bang. Ive shown you scans saying Phoenix is the energies of creation and the life force of reality. They were sufficient. They state the point on panel that im trying to make. That is all that is required.

Given that i have supplied such evidence it is up to you to prove me wrong. You must show us CURRENT CONTINUITY sources stating that Phoenix is NOT the Big Bang.

Good luck. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
The best part is watching you AGAIN, posting either lies, or a serious case of I dislike Mr Master.

I NEVER said Phoenix did not alter the Future, so that's bullshit ... no offense.

In FACT I said Phoenix DID alter the Future but it was in the form she did it me and GS were arguing about.

GS says Jean manipulated the Universe to change the events of "Here Comes Tomorrow"

I never said that at all. The lies coming from your mouth. MM i really am shocked and appalled this time. 🙁

I never said Phoenix altered the future by manipulating the universe. I said Jean materialized the universe into the white hot room SO SHE COULD go about healing the universe.

Once again 👇

Dont make me dig up that thread and highlight your lies to everyone. Tiakocom doesnt post alot so its a simple matter of using the search function and searching through his past posts to find the thread.

Give up this charade 😮

Originally posted by Mr Master
The best part is watching you AGAIN, posting either lies, or a serious case of I dislike Mr Master.

I NEVER said Phoenix did not alter the Future, so that's bullshit ... no offense.

In FACT I said Phoenix DID alter the Future but it was in the form she did it me and GS were arguing about.

GS says Jean manipulated the Universe to change the events of "Here Comes Tomorrow"

I posted what Grant Morrison said concerning HOW Jean performed that task:

according to GRANT MORRISON, you know, the guy Who WROTE the Story

And here are the WRITERS of the X-Men repeating the same thing I'm saying:

(excerpt from the Questionnaires addressed to the Writers, last page New X-Men #155)

Phoenix went to the PAST and CHANGED Scott's mind about Emma, and this altered the events of "Here Comes Tomorrow" which were initiated when Scott rejected Emma earlier on.

lol dislike you? me why would I even waste my energy in hating someone I dont even know? jus so you know there is such thing as not agreein with someone else's view which is all im doin but like your scans your interpreting it your way, for the record I dont hate/dislike you i'm simply not agreeing wit you on some issues nothin else. as for the liar comment i dont know wat to say only GS was in the thread also and he saw what you posted and he can confirm what you said when you posted that scan.