Originally posted by juggernaut66666
My first post was that you are a fanboy who thinks his favorite character
can't be defeated and my point still stands and you haven't been able to prove me wrong.
Please what is the greatest durabilty feat withstnding a blow from FireLord Hercules have done it numerous times that won't feat won't convince everyone about the hosts "great durability".
You really cant be that dense. I refuse to believe youre that unreceptive to information. 😂
Youre thinking durability in terms of being a human physical body and withstanding damage without trauma. How many times have i stated to you that Jean is the Phoenix in physical form, that to blow her up, incinerate her she will still be there in energy form, she could just reform.
The Dark Phoenix of Endsong was just one of Jeans shattered pieces.
We've talked of the Phoenix Forces durability ive demonstrated its indestructibility, the same applies here. Phoenix by canon cannot truly die. That is the situation and has been since its conception and will remain so until a writer decides to change that fact. That hasnt happened yet.
DO NOT post again until you've read and understood the implications. Im tired of catering to your laziness. If you cant be bothered to read posts and take the time out to understand their implications BEFORE responding then save us all alot of bother and dont respond at all. 👇
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope. It was said that fighting without an avatar causes the Force to absorb the universes life force reserved for future generations. It can and has.Whats this talk of Jean having to go to the WHR? As stated Jean manipulated the universes atoms with telekinesis not some unseen unmentioned power boost the M'kraan crystal gave her. 👇
Avatars have shown low durability, but at the same time they've shown high durability and by canon can use the Force to amp their durability.
You need to stop being biased and acknowledge the circumstances (i.e Jeans self imposed psychic circuit breakers or Jean saying she wasnt allowed to stay in reality for long ala New X-men) Either way Jean is literally the Force in human form, she is its prime avatar so blow her up and shes still there, still alive, she can just reform. Once again same rules apply as when we were talking about the Force because she is literally a manifestation of the Force.
Referring to old viewpoints of mine from 2005 which have no bearing on this debate will get you nowhere little guy. 🙂
Once again illustrating the fact that when youre backed in a corner when you have nothing left to argue with, you just like the rest of your crew resort to insults and an attack on credibility.
Poor show 👇
Youre no credible debator. 🙁
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
You begin all that shit by lying that I have said that nothing in marvel can destroy Juggernaut.I have only said that Cyttorak is above Odin.
So I just posted your bullshit about Phoenix.What durability feats does the avatars have? Withstanding a blast from Fire Lord?Oh please Hercules have done it many times or taking blasts from a weakened Galactus?Surfer has survived things like that.The thing is that you have no on panel evidence that the avatars can't be taken out guys like Parallax.Reform? So what her body has been destroyed so she have lost.It is the same like saying that Darkseid can't loose a battle since the Source will always reform his body.So going by the rules each time the hosts body is destroyed it counts as a win for the other character.Biased?Your a huge fanboy you even said that Phoenix would beat Lucifer Morningstar isn't that biased?
😕You are pathetic you twist evidence to prove your own right all the time and when you get caught with it you just say you never stated anything like that.So much for your credibility. This was my last post for you.
What you dont understand is that its not like Jean Greys body will get destroyed go to the afterlife and then remanifest within the universe. Blow up the body and Jean is still there in essence and it is within her ability to reform. Liken it to Hydroman or Iceman getting blown to smithereens and then reforming. Get it now? 🙄
Jean is literally a physical manifestation of the Force. They are one and the same. Jean Grey a.k.a the Phoenix cannot by canon be truly killed.
Phoenix has survived multiversal destruction from within reality. Phoenix was present when the M'kraan crystal destroyed the previous multiverse and she survived into this one. What feats of durability does Parallax have? 😖hifty:
If hes destroyed, if hes blown to bits is he still alive, or is he very much deceased? 😂
I knew I was right from the beginning but I don't exactly enjoy kissing myself in the mirror, the facts speak for themselves. (and MARVEL seems to AGREE with me)
Galactus's INTENTION was to just separate the Phoenix Force from Rachel, but Roma told him he could NOT:
When Galactus began this process this happened:
"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"
Then Roma says,
"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"
Is Roma saying Phoenix can't be killed? ❌
Is Roma mentioning the ETERNAL PATTERN? ❌
Is Roma in other words saying,
you can't separate the Phoenix from Rachel? ✅
WHY?
Because "THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX"
Roma then says,
Galactus then says,
"my sustenance is living Planets, the Phoenix can Obliterate an entire Cosmos"
Then Mistress or in this case "Mr" Death responds with,
"and FROM that DEATH (Obliterate an entire Cosmos) bring about New Life (SPARK the Big Bang) but you're CHANGING that, BREAKING the ETERNAL PATTERN"
So the "Eternal Pattern" is Phoenix Force's ROLE in the Universe, to exist as the "SUSTENANCE of the STARS"
and cyclically SPARK the Big Bang which "Obliterates a Cosmos and brings about New Life"
SO once and for all,
the ETERNAL PATTERN was going to be BROKEN, and the STARS were GOING OUT.
and when Roma said this:
"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"
"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"
Roma was referring to Phoenix being ERASED from existence, and it's CANON!
(an excerpt from the Roma's OFFICIAL Marvel Universe Handbook Bio)
Bibliography - Excalibur #25 - "WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix"
Now what's your next excuse Galactic Storm?
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youre correct. It was Galactus' intention to separate the Force from Rachel, thats what he said he was going to do and thats what Roma later cautioned him against doing.What youre wrong in doing is assuming that because the stars were going that Galactus was killing the Force or wiping it out of existence. That is not stated anywhere on panel and neither is it depicted. You are just seeing what you want to see on panel, you are not relaying what is just stated clear as day for all to see and that is why your argument is a flop.
WHO's "argument is a flop?"
(an excerpt from the ROMA's OFFICIAL Marvel Universe Handbook Bio)
Excalibur #25 - "WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix"
And here is the Full Page:
Under Bibliography
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
No offence my young friend but is English your second language?How you picked up that meaning from Romas statement i really dont know.
Let me break it down for you so you can see why your attempt to mock is ever so silly because it springs from your ignorance.
"There is a natural order to her being" Rachels being, her bond with the Force is part of the natural order.
"As to yours" Just like Galactus' being is part of the natural order
"And all creation" Just like there a natural order to creation itself.
Romas basically saying that Rachel in her role as a host for the Phoenix Force is as much a part of the natural of scheme of things as Galactus and as creation itself.
"no offense" but WHO's "English is a second language?"
(an excerpt from the ROMA's OFFICIAL Marvel Universe Handbook Bio)
Excalibur #25 - "WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix"
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Read and comprehend before firing off.Roma said:
"You can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being as to yours, and all creation"
In other words he cant separate Rachel from the Force as that bond is as much a part of the natural order of things as both Galactus and creation itself.
Roma then says "Violate it (said bond she talked of) at your peril"
Galactus then tries to justify his actions
"My sustenance is living planets, the Phoenix can obliterate an entire cosmos"
by saying he only eats planets while Phoenix can destroy the cosmos.
Death talks about the benefits of the Phoenix "And from that death bring about new life."
Death then berates Galactus' actions as Roma did "But youre changing that, breaking the eternal pattern"
How is Galactus doing that? What did Galactus say the machine was doing?
Seperating the Force from Rachel and returning it to the universe.
[B]AFTER
the stars started fading did Roma criticize Galactus for killing or erasing the Force or did she merely berate him for separating the Force from Rachel?"You can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death"
Thats what i thought.
Why?
"there is a natural order to her being"
Precisely. [/B]
WHO should "read and comprehend?"
(an excerpt from the ROMA's OFFICIAL Marvel Universe Handbook Bio)
Excalibur #25 - "WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix"
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
More fabrication. Where is that stated or even suggested in that quote from the comic. WHERE does it say the Force is going to die or be erased from existence through Galactus' attempts to separate the two?
WHO is "fabricating?"
(an excerpt from the ROMA's OFFICIAL Marvel Universe Handbook Bio)
Excalibur #25 - "WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix"
And here is the Full Page:
Under Bibliography
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You're only trying to run with that unsupported line of argument because the stars were faded, despite the fact that AFTER that started to happen Roma berated Galactus for being silly enough to separate the two BECAUSE her being is as much a part of nature as Galactus or creation itself. Hence the reason why the stars were fading. Because Galactus was disrupting that natural bond.As death said "breaking that eternal pattern"
WHY did "Roma berate Galactus?"
(an excerpt from the ROMA's OFFICIAL Marvel Universe Handbook Bio)
Excalibur #25 - "WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix"
And here is the Full Page:
Under Bibliography
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I know my argument is the correct one in this case because im just relating whats ACTUALLY stated and depicted on panel and NOT speculating and making up theories because i dont like the on panel explanation given as it doesnt support my agenda to demean the Force as much as possible.
WHO is "correct?"
And WHO is "speculating and making up theories?"
(an excerpt from the ROMA's OFFICIAL Marvel Universe Handbook Bio)
Excalibur #25 - "WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix"
Originally posted by King Kandy
Now your just doing the same thing you berated GS for.
Actually I haven't made any complaints about bios lately, I covered this subject with you before but you just had to bring it up again. What's your problem duke?
It proves I'm RIGHT!
You should give a cat credit, instead of trying to knock the victory with jib jab we already extablished.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Whatever happened to "On Panel"? Whatever happened to "No Bio's"?
Again,
Whatever happened to 12 Pages of ON PANEL PROOF to no avail.
I been debating with this guy since page 3, and we on 16, Is there anything more to say? (the Bio PROVES I'm RIGHT, which means I interpreted the Scans BETTER)
I covered the issue thoroughly, STRICKLY On Panel and he didn't adhere to the FACTS, only replied with condescending remarks and telling me,
"What youre wrong in doing is assuming"
"You are just seeing what you want to see on panel"
"argument is a flop"
"No offence my young friend but is English your second language?"
"it springs from your ignorance"
"read and comprehend"
"More fabrication"
"You're only trying to run with that unsupported line of argument"
"I know my argument is the correct"
"im NOT speculating and making up theories because i dont like the on panel explanation"
SO don't tell me what happened to this or that duke, this dude is to high on himself and he was WRONG!
And here is the RESPONSE I gave you before from my thread, I'll post your question concerning BIOS you asked me a few days ago:
Originally posted by King Kandy
Mr. M, , weren't you the one who was crusading against the use of handbooks?
I replied...
I began loosening my resentment of bios, so long as it happened On Panel.
If it happened in a bio, but not on panel it's unexceptable.
If it's mentioned in the bio but it contradicts what happened on panel, like this garbage:
"in the previous Universe, the Force saved existence from damnation, enabling Eternity to preserve Galan"
It's also unexceptable.
NOW:
(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2005)
"The Phoenix Force is a CHILD of the Universe. the Force was SUBSEQUENTLY REBORN from the cosmic fires of the Big Bang"
For those who don't know what "Subsequent" means: 🙁
"coming after something in time; following"
NO MORE Phoenix is the "Big Bang" talk please.
BUT,
Some will say, if I'm going to consider what this Official bio states, then I have to accept, "in the previous Universe, the Force saved existence from damnation, enabling Eternity to preserve Galan" (because it's in the bio)
I'll only except what's On Panel,
and in this case,
Phoenix having something to do with Galactus's Origin, has NEVER been depicted ON PANEL. (and Big G's Origin has been illustrated THREE times On Panel)
Phoenix being BORN FROM the Big Bang, this was artistically presented On Panel.
NOT as the Big Bang .... From the Big Bang, like ALL other Abstracts.
"This is HOW I came into BEING"
SO I'll only put my stamp of approval on a BIO that corresponds to the ON PANEL evidence, it's not the first time "official handbooks" make errors or have included information that never took place in Comics:
Ultimate Nullifier BIO
(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2006)
"Magus had captured Adam Warlock and Six Infinity Gems"
"Quasar aimed the weapon at Magus, but Magus obtained the SIX Infinity Gems together as the Infinity Gauntlet, he used the that power to turn the UN back on Quasar"
We know this ISN'T true, Magus had 5 Infinity Gems (Incomplete Gauntlet)
Check this other nonsense:
(From the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2006)
"Abraxas sought the Ultimate Nullifier to ASSIST him in destroying Galactuses through out the Multi-verse"
That's also not true, all the Galactus' Abraxas killed were murdered way before he got his hands on the UN.
In fact, Abraxas was never even going to activate the UN.
Now you KNOW my stance on the matter for a SECOND time, don't step to me with that again, thank you.
The Official Handbook entry says Roma warned Galactus not to slay Phoenix 2
Who is Phoenix 2? 😕
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/p/phoenixiii.htm
There ya go!!! 😱
NOT the Phoenix Force, but Phoenix 2, Rachel Summers.
Do you remember this post?
Originally posted by GalacticStormNOWHERE is the Force stated to be being erased from existence or dying. NOWHERE on that page is the Force really referred to. Its all in terms of Rachel and her connection.
The next page. Watcher says "Yet Phoenix lives" and then Galactus starts talking to Rachel and referring to HER destiny as Phoenix.
If anyone was going to die it was Phoenix(Rachel), however nothing was EVER stated about the Force dying.
SHEER FABRICATION
PURE SPECULATION.
BIASED shit
Heres the link to it:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/313281_13-parallax-vs-dark-phoenix
As per usual way ahead of ya junior. Do try and keep up. 🙂
So with that your hypocritical use of official handbook bios is rendered a wasted effort.
Your use of the bios when it suits your arguments also means that from now on you cant discount any arguments of mine which use said bios.
Boy was that a mistake and a half 😂
As for the Phoenix Force it was reborn from the in the Big Bang event. That event saw the rebirth of the Force as we know it at a universal level however said energies are what make up the Force as said on panel. So it is both reborn in the event and is the energies of said event.
Once again good try. Both points are stated on panel. Find me one source that says Phoenix is NOT the energies of the Big Bang?
Good luck 🙂
Originally posted by tiakocom
you beat me to the question,
Atleast you would have been ignorant on how I stand concerning BIOS nowadays.
Unlike KK, who I informed prior to this thread, on January 14, 07' ...
Originally posted by tiakocom
those 2 are so similar but neither will admit it.
Atleast our posts revolve around Comic Books and NOT other posters.
And since your full of opinions concerning GS's and MY "behaviour" ...
What opinion do you have of yourself for posting this LIE:
Originally posted by tiakocom
GS will post somethin proving that one of your scans doesnt say what you say it does, instead of replyin you will wait till GS leaves and come and fill the whole thread with scans after scans and at the end of it all you will post a smart comment to prove that once again your right, and other poster will come in the thread and only see your scans and say "yea mr master is right" without seeing what GS posted before you.
Do you consider yourself a liar?
Or is this one of those incidents where we open our mouths beyond what we know?
It could be an honest mistake of yours, but the amount of false detail you went into says otherwise.
Originally posted by manorastroman
it seems like by now, one of you two jockstraps would have realized that you're both right (and wrong, for that matter).
Any need for the name calling?
And we're NOT both right.
How can we both be right?
When GS is saying,
"Galactus was never going to kill Phoenix, that the Stars were going out was an after effect of Rachel and Phoenix being "forcibly" separated, that the Eternal Pattern is the bond between Rachel and Phoenix?
AND I'm saying,
"Phoenix WAS being KILLED by Galactus, the Stars were going out because Phoenix was being ERASED from existence, the "Eternal Pattern" is the Phoenix's ROLE in the Universe (to be the sustenance of the Stars, and SPARK the Big Bang)
We're the "jockstraps" and your the poor soul oppressed by A.D.D. apparently.
Originally posted by manorastroman
if it was really as, ahem, evident as you two seem to think, does it not follow that the debate would have ended long ago?
It would have ended long ago if he hadn't continuously posted again and again his MIS-Interpretation,
but now after 12 Pages of ON POANEL PROOF, the Official Marvel Universe Handbook BIO ENDS this debate once and for all.
I was RIGHT ... and HE was WRONG. 😄
And yes, it feels good.
Originally posted by Mr Master
but now after 12 Pages of ON POANEL PROOF, the Official Marvel Universe Handbook BIO ENDS this debate once and for all.I was RIGHT ... and HE was WRONG. 😄
And yes, it feels good.
Ohhh if only that were true youngster.
You jumped the gun and have not only made yourself look really rather silly, but have also shot yourself in the foot with your hypocritical use of bios.
I can show you on panel statements and artistic depictions of my points and i can show you the same points being stated in the official bios.
By your own testimony that makes it canon, thats something ive been saying to you since your registration.😉
Dear oh dear what have you done? 😂
