Parallax vs. Dark Phoenix

Originally posted by tiakocom
lol dislike you? me why would I even waste my energy in hating someone I dont even know?

Several pages ago you were talking about me like you knew alot, then again perhaps your right, cause those were made up stories.

It would be a waste of energy but I haven't seen one positive remark fly by my way, and since your very first post you came out your face at me for no reason.

Originally posted by tiakocom
jus so you know there is such thing as not agreein with someone else's view which is all im doin but like your scans your interpreting it your way,

I still don't know what your are agreeing with or not, since I haven't seen you comment on the battle concerning this thread once.

In fact, ALL of your posts (in this thread) have involved me in some form or another, from the first to the last.

What does that tell you, or what does it sem like?

Originally posted by tiakocom
for the record I dont hate/dislike you i'm simply not agreeing wit you on some issues nothin else.

Fine, that's respected.

But what exactly don't you agree with in this particular thread?

Originally posted by tiakocom
as for the liar comment i dont know wat to say only GS was in the thread also and he saw what you posted and he can confirm what you said when you posted that scan.

Please,

don't use GS as your witness,

he has a tarnished reputation in the honesty department.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I never said that at all. The lies coming from your mouth. MM i really am shocked and appalled this time.

I never said Phoenix altered the future by manipulating the universe. I said Jean materialized the universe into the white hot room SO SHE COULD go about healing the universe.

Once again 👇

Dont make me dig up that thread and highlight your lies to everyone. Tiakocom doesnt post alot so its a simple matter of using the search function and searching through his past posts to find the thread.

Give up this charade

Here you go:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So what is it Jean has in her hand and applies her power to when she says the famous line “Live Scott. Live” ?

Yep. The badly wounded orphan universe. (The green sphere having been taken away long before Jean went into the crystal to treat the ACTUAL patient.) Good try.

Well then,

so much for lies and charades.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I knew I was right from the beginning but I don't exactly enjoy kissing myself in the mirror, the facts speak for themselves. (and MARVEL seems to AGREE with me)

Galactus's INTENTION was to just separate the Phoenix Force from Rachel, but Roma told him he could NOT:

When Galactus began this process this happened:

"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"

Then Roma says,

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"

Is Roma saying Phoenix can't be killed? ❌

Is Roma mentioning the ETERNAL PATTERN? ❌

Is Roma in other words saying,

you can't separate the Phoenix from Rachel? ✅

WHY?

Because "THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX"

Originally posted by Mr Master
Roma then says,

"violate at your own peril"

Galactus then says,
"my sustenance is living Planets, the Phoenix can Obliterate an entire Cosmos"

Then Mistress or in this case "Mr" Death responds with,

"and FROM that DEATH (Obliterate an entire Cosmos) bring about New Life (SPARK the Big Bang) but you're CHANGING that, BREAKING the ETERNAL PATTERN"

So the "Eternal Pattern" is Phoenix Force's ROLE in the Universe, to exist as the "SUSTENANCE of the STARS"

and cyclically SPARK the Big Bang which "Obliterates a Cosmos and brings about New Life"

Originally posted by Mr Master
SO once and for all,

the ETERNAL PATTERN was going to be BROKEN, and the STARS were GOING OUT.

and when Roma said this:

"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"

[B]Roma was referring to Phoenix being ERASED from existence, and it's CANON!

(an excerpt from the Roma's OFFICIAL Marvel Universe Handbook Bio)

Bibliography - Excalibur #25 - "WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix"

And here is the Full Page:

Now what's your next excuse Galactic Storm? [/B]

Originally posted by Mr Master
Which means WHAT?

WHAT?

Of course Phoenix 1 is Jean Grey so obviuously Rachel is Phoenix 2, since she was the SECOND Phoenix

Is this some kind of joke?

"NOT the Phoenix Force, but Phoenix 2, Rachel Summers"

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"

The Phoenix Force tells Rachel, "ALL I have become, You ARE Too"

"My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit, the Burden of Power, will be YOURS"

The Phoenix Force itself told Rachel,

"You are the ONE TRUE PHOENIX"

Phoenix did say those things but they didnt mean what you are interpreting them to mean.

Youre basically trying to be clever and use those selectively presented scans to say that all of the Phoenix Force was summed up in Rachel, so that you can then say that Galactus was slaying Rachel so that means the Force can be killed. Right? 😕

Not at all.

(If i was a b*stard i could make some argument about how selectively you presented this panel in order to try and make out your opinion has on panel support 😖hifty: )

The scan comes after Excalibur 61 which saw Galactus tell the Force that its manifestation of a consciousness within reality causes the Force to absorb the universes ambient life force reserved for future life.

All it is about is how the Force is returning to its natural state of ambient life force, whilst leaving Rachel access to its power in limited amounts. It says it exists both within time and space and beyond and it was giving up its consciousness to return to being a force of nature. NOWHERE DOES it say that it was giving all its power to Rachel and that all that the Force is would be summed up in Rachel. Not only do its comments about simultaneously existing beyond time and space as well as within contradict such a view but given that this is from ISSUE 64 and the separation thing occurred in ISSUE 25 it wouldnt matter if that view was actually true because it wasnt the case back in the separation issue.

How unfortunate for your case. 🙁

Originally posted by Mr Master
Here you go:

Well then,

so much for lies and charades.

You are such a liar.

That quote of mine doesnt show that im saying that Phoenix altered the past by manipulating the universes atoms. That scan was in response to your ridiculous view that what was in Jeans hand at the point (which was just before she altered 616's past) was the amputated future and NOT the 616 universe

Hence why i said:

"So what is it Jean has in her hand and applies her power to when she says the famous line “Live Scott. Live"

You big liar. 😱

You obviously have access to that thread. Why dont you post a link to it so everyone can see instead of taking quotes from it and posting them out of context making them out to be saying something completely different? 😬

hysterical2

Still trying to find a way around the impossible ey?

Ain't gonna happen, your Phoenix hype is over, deal with it and move on.

Just because the Phoenix Force can be ERASED from existence doesn't mean it's weak, so relax.

The most powerful entities have been rubbed out at one time or another, don't be such a baby.

Your argument about the Excalibur scene was obliterated. They were vclearly talking in terms of Rachel. And thanks to you you've highlighted how the handbook even says they were talking about Rachel. Thanks mate!! 😄

With that in mind dont repost it. The arguments over.

Also if you want to argue about the WHR. Lets take it to a challenge thread. Im not doing it here. Im tired of your lies and your cop out tactics. i.e the reposting to bury my victories and the reposting as opposed to countering a point ive made.

Lets do this Emmie. 🙂

Rachel was never just another Avatar, Rachel was one with the actual Phoenix Force,

The Phoenix Force itself told Rachel, "You are the ONE TRUE PHOENIX"

The Phoenix Force tells Rachel, "ALL I have become, You ARE Too"

Betsy can see all her Alternate versions in the White Hot Room

Rachel only has 4 Aspects of Her PAST-Self, NO Alternates

Rachel doesn't have an Alternate version of herself anywhere in the Multi-verse:

"in ALL the Alternate Dimensions we visited, NO analogue for Rachel Summers ... never another Phoenix"

Ok fine there is no disputing that.

When Galactus was ERASING the Phoenix Force from existence:

"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"

Roma says,

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"

Was it the Phoenix Force/Rachel Summers (the SECOND Phoenix or Phoenix II ) that was being SLAIN?

(an excerpt from the ROMA's OFFICIAL Marvel Universe Handbook Bio)

Excalibur #25 - "WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix"

And here is the Full Page:

Under Bibliography

It most certainly was.

Originally posted by Mr Master
hysterical2

Still trying to find a way around the impossible ey?

Ain't gonna happen, your Phoenix hype is over, deal with it and move on.

Just because the Phoenix Force can be ERASED from existence doesn't mean it's weak, so relax.

The most powerful entities have been rubbed out at one time or another, don't be such a baby.

Desperate attempt to save face. Anyone can see you just got stomped something fierce, so just take a time out. 😄

Step away from the PC and come face me in the challenge thread refreshed. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master

Was it the Phoenix Force/Rachel Summers (the SECOND Phoenix or Phoenix II) that was being SLAIN?

(an excerpt from the ROMA's OFFICIAL Marvel Universe Handbook Bio)

Excalibur #25 - [B]"WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix"

And here is the Full Page:

Under Bibliography
It most certainly was. [/B]

The line says exactly "WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix II)"

Do you really think people cant see the "II" and the close of the bracket?

You big FRAUD 😱

Once again trying to misrepresent evidence. Your deception stands revealed. 👇

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Desperate attempt to save face. Anyone can see you just got stomped something fierce, so just take a time out.

Step away from the PC and come face me in the challenge thread refreshed.

_stfu_

Be a man and admit DEFEAT.

I'm through, let the onlookers decide.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The line says exactly "WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix II)"

Do you really think people cant see the "II" and the close of the bracket?

Why would I include the bio and the bio highlight if I was being slick?

Only you think there is a major difference, but the only difference is Phoenix I is Jean and Phoenix II is Rachel, but both have been bonded to the FULL blown Phoenix Force.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You big FRAUD

Once again trying to misrepresent evidence. Your deception stands revealed.

The only FRAUD we know about around here is this:

This is definitely the biggest BETRAYAL of trust ever committed on KMC forums by Galactic Storm

Read his post so you can see his deliberate intention:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I forgot to mention how Xmen Forever clearly depicts how one wielding the phoenix power becomes supreme over creation. With enough power to humble LT even:

He even threw in an extra close up

He CUT OUT the STRANGER from the Scan to make it appear as though they are bowing to JEAN.

The REAL Scan without the GS FABRICATION!

I told you before,

you talk shit

I pull your card.

Originally posted by Mr Master
shaddup

Be a man and admit DEFEAT.

I'm through, let the onlookers decide.

Quite correct youre through. Your selective scans from Excalibur 64 DONT show what youre trying to say they are therefore your ridiculous argument that Rachel is the sum total of the Phoenix Force FLOPS.

I posted the full scan and it doesnt mean what youre trying to say. I already handled the issue previously. No need to waste any more effort on the issue.

In this very thread you edited a Phoenix scan and tried to make it look different from the one i posted so that you could say i never posted it and therefore accuse me of being biased.

You hypocritically posted bio entrys to support your argument after months of berating me for doing the same thing, only to shoot yourself in the foot because the bio only supported what i said 😂

You posted the bio and then tried to lie about what it said saying it just said "Phoenix", hoping foolishly that posters wouldnt see the "II" on the following line.

You posted a selective quote from an old thread and tried to make out i was saying something i wasnt. When i berated you for posting it out of context and lying about me and told you to post a link to the thread it came from so everyone could see the truth YOU DIDNT RESPOND.

BIG FRAUD. 😮

MASSIVE HYPOCRITE 👇

WASTE OF MINE AND EVERYONES EFFING TIME 😂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Quite correct youre through. Your selective scans from Excalibur 64 DONT show what youre trying to say they are therefore your ridiculous argument that Rachel is the sum total of the Phoenix Force FLOPS.

I posted the full scan and it doesnt mean what youre trying to say. I already handled the issue previously. No need to waste any more effort on the issue.

In this very thread you edited a Phoenix scan and tried to make it look different from the one i posted so that you could say i never posted it and therefore accuse me of being biased.

You hypocritically posted bio entrys to support your argument after months of berating me for doing the same thing, only to shoot yourself in the foot because the bio only supported what i said 😂

You posted the bio and then tried to lie about what it said saying it just said "Phoenix", hoping foolishly that posters wouldnt see the "II" on the following line.

You posted a selective quote from an old thread and tried to make out i was saying something i wasnt. When i berated you for posting it out of context and lying about me and told you to post a link to the thread it came from so everyone could see the truth YOU DIDNT RESPOND.

sign23

"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"

Roma was referring to Phoenix being ERASED from existence, and it's CANON!

(an excerpt from the Roma's OFFICIAL Marvel Universe Handbook Bio)

Bibliography - Excalibur #25 - "WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix II" SAME shit ... it's STILL the Phoenix Force as I PROVED.

And here is the Full Page:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
BIG FRAUD.

MASSIVE HYPOCRITE

WASTE OF MINE AND EVERYONES EFFING TIME

Just look above and see who is the "FRAUD". (FABRICATION of the Jean/Stranger SCANS) 😂

No greater "HYPOCRITE" than yourself.

"Waste of time?" so don't post B*tch!

Originally posted by Mr Master
Why would I include the bio and the bio highlight if I was being slick?

Only you think there is a major difference, but the only difference is Phoenix I is Jean and Phoenix II is Rachel, but both have been bonded to the FULL blown Phoenix Force.

You are being slick because its there for all of us to see. You just denied it was Phoenix 2 saying instead it was just Phoenix. I highlighted the "2" in the scans AND NOW youre making excuses. Basically saying "Zo wh£t it basicly same ting anywayz" chair

Jean is the Force in flesh a literal part of the Phoenix.

Endsong

Uncanny x-men

Rachel is a host with a past affiliation with the force which was due to her mutation.

"The Phoenix knows me, it likes me"

Just something she was previously bonded to.

THAT is continuity.

The Phoenix said in the full scan i provided

that it also exists outside time and space contradicting your fabrication that it was saying it was putting its sum in Rachel.

It said it was giving up its sentience and leaving Rachel with limited access to its power. "Accept my limitations"

That happened WAY AFTER Excalibur 25 so even if your lies were true IT DOESNT HELP YOUR ARGUMENT ANYWAY lol.

Rachel and Jean are totally different.

The Force and Rachel scene was about something completely different than watch you tried to present deceptively with a few segements from the full page (HYPOCRITE!! 😂 )

The abstracts were talking about Rachel (Phoenix 2)

The bio entry you tried to use as evidence backfired and it turned out it supported my interpretation that they were talking about just Rachel.

By your account if something is stated on panel and in a bio it is canon.

That pretty much end this farce mate 🙂

Thought this needed to be brought to everyones attention. 🙂

I think i'll add this thread to my favourites 😂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Quite correct youre through. Your selective scans from Excalibur 64 DONT show what youre trying to say they are therefore your ridiculous argument that Rachel is the sum total of the Phoenix Force FLOPS.

I posted the full scan and it doesnt mean what youre trying to say. I already handled the issue previously. No need to waste any more effort on the issue.

In this very thread you edited a Phoenix scan and tried to make it look different from the one i posted so that you could say i never posted it and therefore accuse me of being biased.

You hypocritically posted bio entrys to support your argument after months of berating me for doing the same thing, only to shoot yourself in the foot because the bio only supported what i said 😂

You posted the bio and then tried to lie about what it said saying it just said "Phoenix", hoping foolishly that posters wouldnt see the "II" on the following line.

You posted a selective quote from an old thread and tried to make out i was saying something i wasnt. When i berated you for posting it out of context and lying about me and told you to post a link to the thread it came from so everyone could see the truth YOU DIDNT RESPOND.

BIG FRAUD. 😮

MASSIVE HYPOCRITE 👇

WASTE OF MINE AND EVERYONES EFFING TIME 😂

don't you guys think these arguments are becoming a little redundant? Can we ever agree to dissagree?