Originally posted by Mr Master
Roma then says,Galactus then says,
"my sustenance is living Planets, the Phoenix can obliterate an entire cosmos"Then Mistress or in this case "Mr" Death responds with,
"and from that death, bring about new life, but you're CHANGING that, BREAKING the Eternal PATTERN"So the Phoenix Force can be erased, that's glorious!
Originally posted by Mr Master
Roma then says,Galactus then says,
"my sustenance is living Planets, the Phoenix can obliterate an entire cosmos"Then Mistress or in this case "Mr" Death responds with,
"and from that death, bring about new life, but you're CHANGING that, BREAKING the Eternal PATTERN"So the Phoenix Force can be erased, that's glorious!
It's talking about the death of the cosmos. tut, tut. 🙂 The phoenix dies and is reborn that's what it does 😕
You and GS are made for each other, except he is more polite than you and has better spelling.
Originally posted by By Crom!
It's talking about the death of the cosmos. tut, tut.The phoenix dies and is reborn that's what it does
No it does not say that.
The "Eternal Pattern" is Phoenix's role in the Universe.
Galactus was going to end that by ERASING Phoenix from existence.
Why do you think the STARS were going out.
"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"
Originally posted by By Crom!
You and GS are made for each other,
I think not.
Just cause you misinterpreted the scans doesn't mean I pull the same tricks as GS does on you.
Originally posted by By Crom!
except he is more polite than you and has better spelling.
Gibberish.
Originally posted by Mr Master
No it does not say that.The "Eternal Pattern" is Phoenix's role in the Universe.
Galactus was going to end that by ERASING Phoenix from existence.
Why do you think the STARS were going out.
"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"
I think not.
Just cause you misinterpreted the scans doesn't mean I pull the same tricks as GS does on all of yall.
Gibberish.
Actuall it's not about scans, it's about comprehension.
🙂
This is an interesting thread, but Dark phoenix isn't any more powerful than a sky father. Odin has done more on panel than Dark phoenix. Hell Fire storm elemental can match her. She is the very lowest of abstracts in that dark phoenix form While Parallax was able to beat all abstracts but the Spectre. He erased everthing including all abstracts, sky fathers, and anyone else. This would include the quintessence and the endless and entropy and the time trapper and all. She cannot compare.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its stated on panel that Phoenix is the Big Bang.Phoenix is shown being reborn in the Big Bang event and is shown as those energies made sentient.
Phoenix has ONLY been stated to be the "Big Bang" in ONE single panel, an ambiguous quote from Reed,
"call it the big bang, the phoenix force, or WHAT HAVE You"
Phoenix was "reborn" in the Big Bang like every other Abstract:
"it's the BIRTH of the Universe ... these can't be Rachel's memories, NO ... they belong to the Phoenix"
Phoenix says, ... "This is HOW I came into BEING"
And like I said, the Abstracts SURVIVE the Big Bang, UNLIKE Phoenix who is REBORN within it:
"These Entities don't care about this Universe"
"Forces such as ENTROPY, OBLIVION, DEATH, LIFE (Eternity) they REMAIN CONSTANTS through ANY Big Bang"
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Phoenix is stated in canon by many cosmic sources in many titles to be that perpetuates the cycle, by manifesting as the Big Bang and by bringing the universe to a close.
An event that has NEVER been artistically depicted On Panel but anyway.
What I have found about the Phoenix Force in it's Natural State is:
a Universe dies (Eternity) and a new beginning comes when a Spark (Phoenix Force) causes another Big Bang and a new Universe is formed. Phoenix ensures ressurection from death or "the ending of all, and the beginning of all."
Phoenix is the Spark of creation for a Universe, not the Multiverse. She ensures that the cycle of a Universe continues.
Phoenix plays a role in the self perpetuating process where the old Universe dies and the new Universe is born. She doesn't create anything. She just ensures the cycle continues.
This is ALL theoretical evidence though because the actual EVENT has NEVER taken place visually On Panel.
But to say Phoenix is the Big Bang would imply Phoenix creates these Universes where she SPARKS Big Bangs which would be inaccurate.
I will agree though that again, theoretically on panel, the Phoenix Force in it's Natural State is the fire that implodes a Universe during it's Big Bang, but NOT the CREATION Cycle of that same Big Bang.
The Creation Cycle of a Big Bang is a self perpetuating process which has NOTHING to do with Phoenix.
Which is probably why Phoenix (in ANY Form) has NEVER Created even a single Universe On Panel.
The Phoenix Force did destroy a DIVERGENT Universe on panel, but it was a "WHAT IF" comic book, (still, as goofy and nonsensical WHAT IF's are, they are canon)
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The Phoenix materialized 616 in the palm of her hand by telekinetically manipulating its atoms.If Phoenix can do that she can destroy the universe if she wishes. To argue against that is fallacious.
Only Phoenix did no such thing.
Where is it mentioned it's 616?
Where is it mentioned it's Eternity?
You enjoy telling everyone Jean materialized the Universe in the palm of her hands like nothing but you seem to always forget letting onlookers know this:
HOW did Jean materialize an actual Universe, if Jean DIDN'T even know what was in her hands, and when she's TOLD what it is, Jean has no idea WHAT that means.
Yet you have her breaking down the "component parts" of the Universe. 😆
Phoenix is CLUELESS as to WHAT this is, or WHAT to do with it.
First question:
Jean says, "Did I have to FIX something that was dying?
Jean gets NO ANSWER!
Second Question:
What is it?"
Jean gets ANSWERED!
It tells her, "A badly wounded Orphan Universe ... Phoenix work"
Fine ..... Now WHAT does that mean?....
Jean Grey DOESN'T KNOW either.
AM I LYING? LOOK AT THE SCAN!!!
"But...but WHAT's that supposed to mean?
Phoenix asked, "but what's that supposed to mean?"
AFTER She was told it's a "A badly wounded Orphan Universe ... Phoenix work"
Now, it TELLS Phoenix WHAT THAT MEANS,
"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..
Is it saying,
"This Universe needs to be Fixed in anyway?" NO!
"This Universe is injured or damaged and needs to be repaired?" NO!
"This Universe needs a Future?" NO!
continues in the next post...
continues...
So WHAT does it SAY WHEN Jean ASKED "but what's that supposed to mean?"
It responds, "That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..
(This is the OUTCOME of Here Comes Tomorrow)
NOW, to Change that OUTCOME, Phoenix did NOT manipulate the Universe.
AM I LYING?
Here is GRANT MORRISON'S and company telling us HOW Phoenix CHANGED that Future.
Just like in the Comic book, which anyone can see as plain as day.
She actually went to the past and forced Scott to be with Emma
So INSTEAD of THIS Ending:
We NOW have THIS Ending:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
LT hasnt destroyed the universe nor has the IG yet that doesnt seem to be acknowledged in your biased argument.
Nah,
LT only held the embodiments of TWO MEGAVERSES in his hand, which he manipulated and ALLOWED to exist.
Each Megaverse is a collection of Multiverses.
Ok,
This is how the Omniverse is described according to the OHOTMU v5 (2006)
"the REALMS with a Multiverse"
"Within the Omniverse, collections of associated REALMS from different Multiverses are referred to as Megaverses"
So a Megaverse is a collection of Multi-verses.
Ok,
Now we have the Living Tribunal On Panel holding the embodiments of TWO Megaverses in his hand like the toys of a child.
"he sits at the CENTER of ALL things, feeling the flow of countless Realities, thier FATE irrevocably determined through the judgment rendered by HIS Three Faces"
"Two SIBLINGS whom the Tribunal has a place for in his great scheme of things"
"the Pulse of Creation reverberates through him, for he is its Heart, ALPHA & OMEGA revolve on the Wheel of Destiny, a Destiny SPUN by HIS mighty Hand"
"A Hand soon opening to allow TWO Brothers to assume their pre-destined Roles as Architects of New Realities ... and ONLY this Judge knows why"
And it's ALL CANON, according to the OHOTMU v5 (2006)
"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the BROTHERS, each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse, within the larger Omniverse but encompassing MORE than a single Multiverse"
And LT had to gauge the IG's power, before handing down his Judgement to Warlock:
Here he DETERMINES whether he HAD the power or NOT
SO now and always,
LT or IG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Phoenix Force
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If you want to argue Phoenix then lets take it to the challenge thread.
It would never work,
you want judges that have been here for over a year, most of my boys have joined since 06' .. I don't know any of the cats you suggested with the exception leon.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I am not going to start posting an argument to prove these points here only for you to swamp this thread with unrelated scans of Phoenix being p3w3d and copied and pasted arguments from Word ive dealt with months ago!!
This is the same crap as before, you keep claiming I swamp threads with scans but you post just as many scans, 😂
Yes, I know that's exceptable but if I post scans it's swamping and spamming.
And you got balls on the ms word accusation, when I continuously see regurgitated posts of yours swimming everywhere across the forum.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its what you always do, its what youre known for.
Well, it's better than being known for this:
This is definitely the biggest BETRAYAL of trust ever committed on KMC forums
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I forgot to mention how Xmen Forever clearly depicts how one wielding the phoenix power becomes supreme over creation. With enough power to humble LT even:
He even threw in an extra close up
He CUT OUT the STRANGER from the Scan to make it appear as though they are bowing to JEAN.
The part that was methodically subtracted from the scene:
"he who is without sin, may cast the first stone"
Mr Master. If you want to argue about Phoenix, lets take it to a challenge thread. I am not going to argue here. I have said why.
Any and all of these issues can be handled in a challenge thread one at a time. I have taken you down on each and every one of these issues. You save your arguments in MS Word and then repost them the next day like the previous argument never happened. I will not feed into this endless cycle.
Once again if you want to debate Phoenix then lets do this.
I set the challenge and you disappearred for days. After you saw everyone mocking your cowardice, you came back to accept the challenge and talk trash. When it came time for me and you to make the preparations for the challnge thread, you once again were absent for days and then PMed me saying you were too busy these days to face me in a challenge thread and for me to stop being mean in public about you not stepping up. 😬
That was over 2 weeks ago, and since then you've been posting every single day.
Do you really think you can just slip back into the old habit?
Emmie im calling you out. Stop talking trash and then running away when push comes to shove.
Its not going going back to how it was. Im not gonna engage you constantly in Phoenix threads for you to resort to your cop out tactics.
Face me in a challenge thread you fraudulent p*ssy. 🙂
