I could never respect a man who is living his life entirely to impress me- and I think that's true of most women. Most men I know have their own interests and ambitions, other than sex, and they go to college and choose their jobs carefully to allow them to live their values- the same as most women I know.
I would find a man who is as narrow as the men you describe, not at all arousing/impressive/desirable.
Originally posted by fever red
I could never respect a man who is living his life entirely to impress me- and I think that's true of most women. Most men I know have their own interests and ambitions, other than sex, and they go to college and choose their jobs carefully to allow them to live their values- the same as most women I know.
I would find a man who is as narrow as the men you describe, not at all arousing/impressive/desirable.
The man who you would find impressive is trying to do just that, impress you. It's when you don't notice that they're trying that they know it's working.
I didn't say it was the ONLY reason that they do these things, but definitly the biggest reason.
Most people are not too good at camoflauging themselves.
Also, it's a lot of work, and sensible people eschew that continous work by finding someone who is comfortable with the other's intentions (yes, there are plenty of people willing to work harder than they have to; afraid to take a risk or to declare their desires, perhaps).
Sure, obviously, sex with a woman is one goal, and she'll want it to be, as her goals happen, happily, to correlate.
There's still quite a few other drives that don't simply round out your life- they are the main thrust of it- and it's good to find someone who won't interfere, best to find someone who thinks your intentions are laudable/enjoyable.
You see, sex is not so unobtainable. It's usually settled quite early on how that will precede (yes, it's priority one; I'll grant you that), and then you still have the other 80% of your time.
Being dishonest is hard work- and honesty has never once killed a good thing for me.
I think we both have our approaches, and perhaps we shouldn't project them onto people in general...
I never stated that sex was unattainable, just more likely the higher up the "ladder of success" you go.
I think we're starting to talk about different things. It's only a goal to have someone who won't interfere when you're looking for a long term relationship. I'm just speaking strictly lust. A short term relationship simply for the late-night naughtyness. When looking for something other than a one-night stand, of course having something in common other than a physical attraction(or financial attraction, or whichever other shallow attraction one can think of) would be necessary. The two people having the same intentions is pretty important though...
Still, even in the case of love, the man has to find a female partner, and to do that he has to impress her, whether he does it conciously or not is irrelevant.
This isn't my approach, it's just my observation. Please, don't think me shallow for presenting this point of view.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Anyway, nearly everything human males do is for females. They get a job, to earn money, to buy things that impress women. They go to college to become more intelligent, which impresses women(well, the worthwhile women anyway). Men dress nicely to show women they have some sort of taste, etc.
Fever is already doing a far better, and frankly more polite, job of explaining just how far up "utterly ****ing wrong" river this turd-nugget has floated than i ever could. So I'm only going to say this. You may feel you have the right to talk for "nearly all men"; but you don't.
"Nearly all" means exactly that Mr. Zero, a majority. I'm not speaking for every man, but if you haven't seen that most men act like that in public, then you haven't been looking.
Holy shit Zero, just because you can form a coherent sentence, unlike many members of this forum, does not automatically make you correct on every ****ing issue.