Originally posted by Clovie
i mean that those ladys acting was unfair.
dunno maybe they were bored or sumthin
what do you mean by unfair?
yeah, maybe they WERE bored. it happens when you have the brain to do politics, technology (was it you who were doing a phd in technology, moneypenny? thought I saw that somewhere ...), physics, languages, medicine, teaching, etc. etc. etc., but have to stay at home, cooking, cleaning, looking after babies. I do think that sort of gets rather dull as time goes by.
that you're studying what you're studying right now, clove, is a result of these women. they did more than burning bras and let their legs get hairy. unfortunately, people tend to forget that, and by making the entire feminist movement look completely ridículous and (especially) superfluos, stop anything that may resemble it from happening again ( I'm not necessarily looking for more hair here, but some will to change let's say the wage differences for a start.)
ja it's me doing the PhD. But regards the wage issues, over here in South Africa, women are actually pretty well paid, often more than their male colleagues. Our Employment Equity Bill pretty much sorted that out for us which is nice. I think though that women shouldn't just expect better wages or better treatment or whatever, it's something they need to work for. I think you should get paid on your output and productivity and the quality of your work. I know many women who whine about earning less than men. It's strange how these women are often the one's who aren't really willing to put in extra hours for a project or work weekends or overtime. Their reasons vary from having to look after the kids and safety when driving home. The bottom line is that you should (theoretically) be paid for what you produce. This isn't always the case but women do tend to have a nasty habit of playing the victim in circumstances like this. Nothing makes me angrier. I work hard, and get paid well. BUT, I am also willing to go the extra mile to produce. I will never use my gender to get me perks (for want of a better word). I don't expect preferential treatment just because I'm a woman. My whole department here at work is like that (we're mostly women) and our reputation in industry is phenomenal. I mean, I sit in research board meetings where I'm not only the youngest person there, I'm also the only woman and the only one who isn't a professor yet. Makes no difference. My views are respected and everyone else there looks out for me when I need it. Maybe it's just that in SA people are more aware of this kind of thing now, 10 years after our first democratic elections. Women have really become high priority on this side of the planet.
Hmmm...I sure had a mouthful to say on this, probably because my thoughts aren't that organised.
Yes, that was my point (after all that other waffling I did there). Actually, I can't really make out what you're saying there. If you're saying that women use their gender to get perks then yes, that is sexist from their side because they expect things based on the fact that they're a woman. Is that what you meant?