Tories have the better policies as far as im concerned...they just need a decent charismatic leader, rather than a bald man, a bedwetter or any number of other crap theyve come up with
the bald man comment is based on the fact that no matter how much we try and deny it, alot of our judgements are on the appearance and charisma of the party leader lol....hence why Tony Blair's in power
EDIT: we've not exactly had a decent run of PM's recently tho lol. hes ****ed up the NHS, ****ed up Petrol prices, ****ed up immigration, ****ed up education and has his nose in bush's ass-crack.... but theres no1 better to vote for sadly
they have kilroy as a member! they are as racist as they come!
the royal family are past it, they are a tourist attraction!
i think we should be tight on matters like illegal imigrants, they are like leachs on our society. i dont really mind joining europe fully, as long as keep control of ourselfs and we dont turn into the United States of Europe!
but the thing is, we cant join Europe and keep control of our own country....
Kilroy misworded a comment that was factually based, hes just said it the wrong way...hes admitted that and apologised, his comment just got blown out of proportion by the PC-brigade and now hes demonized... that doesnt mean the entire UKIP is racist, find me 1 of their policies thats even remotely racist
Originally posted by Creechuur
Seems like most of you hate Blair as much as a lot of Americans hate Dubs. What is it wiuth the citizenry commonly hating on their leaders? Theres something fundamentally wrong with that.
The only thing wrong with this is the fact that there are large portions of the population whose opinions and views are not taken into consideration by the government.
People have no duty to love their leaders, the leaders have a duty to represent the people who live in the area they are representing, whether they voted for them or not. When the leaders fail to do this, there is a lot of hate, frustration, and negative opinions of these people who are supposed to take into account all the angles that dont.
Originally posted by Creechuur
I don't get UK politics. You guys have royalty, but the elected officials seem to do all the work, get all the press, and take all the hate. What does the royal family even do?
nothing, they are only ceremonial.
Originally posted by Df02
but the thing is, we cant join Europe and keep control of our own country....
Kilroy misworded a comment that was factually based, hes just said it the wrong way...hes admitted that and apologised, his comment just got blown out of proportion by the PC-brigade and now hes demonized... that doesnt mean the entire UKIP is racist, find me 1 of their policies thats even remotely racist
then i think we shouldnt join fully then. we need to keep control of OUR country for as long as possible, we already have lot of other country sappping money from our country! and god damn illegal imigrants, they really annoy me the fact they come to the country and they just take money in benifits and all the crap.
kilroy made a mistake, but he is known for been racist in general. the guys alright at the end of the day, but i would never vote for him! i think i would vote tory if i could, and if they had a stronger leader. They should bring back William Hauge, he was the last leader i ccan remeber the name of, lol
Originally posted by matchbox
i dont really mind joining europe fully, as long as keep control of ourselfs and we dont turn into the United States of Europe!
I wish Europe (not neccesarily the UK, but at least some of the continental nations) organize into a "United States of Europe"... having one world superpower sucks. I wish there was somebody there to keep the US in check.
During the Cold War, neither the US or Russia had full liscence to do whatever, whenever, whereever... there was another majopr player that they had to take into consideration.
If there was a united Europe I think that there would possibly be a chance that instead of the US having free reign over the world that there would be someome there that could challenge what they do, and that would be a consideration that would have to be taken into account by the US. A united Europe could challenge the US technologically, economically, and financially.
Right now the US/European relationship isnt exactly perfect... as much as I hate to say it, I wish the US would do something that would piss off enough Europeans to make them organize against them. I think thats the only way that the US can really be "kept in check."
Sweet....so are you two like Nazi Germans or something?
Now you're talking about uniting an entire continent against the United States for invading Iraq....just to "keep them in check"
Further more, you've just set the rest of the entire world much, much farther back than any war in Iraq could possibly do. You DO realize that the United States is allies with most of Europe, and that if Europe were to suddenly gang up on America....Other countries would come to America's aid just because of their vested interest in the US. right?
You named Russia, the US, and Europe as super powers. What about the Asian side of the world. What would Japan, China, Australia, Indonesia...and all of the alike countries do while 15 countries gang up on the US?
What you guys are talking about is World War 3. There can be no uniting all of Europe to create an army just to "keep America in check" otherwise you'll have armagedon.
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No I hold a lot of very socially egalitarian views. I support free enterprise, but would personally like to see greatly accountability and decentralization of multinational corporations. I support democratic government, and freedom of speech.
Im pretty liberal in my political views.
I am absolutely against any kind of neo-nazism or anti-semitism.
That has nothing to do with my view that I would like to see another superpower rise to challenge the US.
I am not saying that there should be war... I didnt even mention Europe's military capacity. I am saying that when you have one major player (the US) they could in theory do anything they please. The US 1 vs 1 could take out anyone on the planet. They could also be a military challenge if things deteriorated that badly, but thats not what I was saying. Thats not where I started this conversation out on though. That is not the point I was trying to make.
If there were a group of European countries who disagree with the United States policies (already exists) and they organized politically and economically they could be another "interest group" in the political decision making in the US. I know a lot of people dislike the EU now, but it would be nice if someone could influence US foreign policy decision making.
I dont think that there should be another Cold War type stand off, but I think that there should be organized political states which challenge the US unilateral foreign policy decisions.
They arent taking foreign opinion into their decisions now, they are using this retarded cowboy mentality the "your with us or your a terrorist" and to put it planely, if Europe firmly and unitedly challenged the US's logic here maybe things would work out better than things are now.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"blair rules....he's doin what is best..who else would u rather have as prime minister??"There's not one actually better than him at the moment, just because the opposition is worse. He's doing what's best for him, not us.
-AC
thats what im sayin...no one is better than him at the moment..so people might as well put up with him..even if they dont like him
i think he is doinwhats best for britain..not himself
I think we can all safely rule out WW III involving United Sates of Eurpoe vs United States of America. lol
Europe is worse than the the united nations for agreement on policy, besides, the majority of the population of the British isles would rather have closer links to USA than USE even despite the Iraq war.
for a good reason as well, we are probably safer been on the side of the US in most situations! Apart from war cos they just use all OUR troops!
AC, I thin that as well! he shouldnt be able to claim for another house, thats just stupid, isnt it! Didn't some women claim about £30,000 on postage and packaging????? There was loads of stup[id figures in that thingie!