What does the UK think of Tony Blair?

Originally posted by amity75
I actually like Tony Blair. He likes music, plays guitar, likes footie and can be very witty in "normal" interviews ala his interview on the Chris Moyles show. I honestly believe he has the countries best intentions at heart but is easily bullied and perhaps works with one hand tied behind his back and tries to keep to many people happy ie Bush on one side and the British public on the other.

I seriously hope you are taking the piss. Blair is sending out more and more young men to die in a pointless war, many of them with families; but lets all vote for him because the ****er can play the guitar and watches football!? Get real.

in the long run the war will be all worth it.....to make peace you sometimes have to go through war

Originally posted by zombieman
I seriously hope you are taking the piss. Blair is sending out more and more young men to die in a pointless war, many of them with families; but lets all vote for him because the ****er can play the guitar and watches football!? Get real.

i hate all this "he's sending them to war" bollocks now aswell....seriously, why do you think they joined the army? for the communal soaping up in the shower

they were trained for war, they joined the army to defend their country and its best interests, they joined the army expecting that, and their family did aswell.... sure its bad when some1 dies, but thats what comes with the package of joining the army!

and before any1 comments, im joining the RAF after college....and i will go to war if needs be.

Originally posted by dean7879
anymore wars u would like to point out involving britain?

No, not really there is no point in doing that. Here is something that interests me. Are there many Blair haters in the UK? Seems like that anyone that is involved with Bush gets bash around quite a lot.

Originally posted by WindDancer
Are there many Blair haters in the UK?

I think the answer is pretty obvious, if you read this thread.

Originally posted by Df02
i hate all this "he's sending them to war" bollocks now aswell....seriously, why do you think they joined the army? for the communal soaping up in the shower

they were trained for war, they joined the army to defend their country and its best interests, they joined the army expecting that, and their family did aswell.... sure its bad when some1 dies, but thats what comes with the package of joining the army!

and before any1 comments, im joining the RAF after college....and i will go to war if needs be.

Some people do not have a choice about joining the forces.

I find it appalling that you suggest that just because people have joined the army they should be sent to war to die with no remorse because ''thats what they signed up to do''. Countries best interest? And what are Britains interests in going to war with iraq apart from Blair's head up Bush's ass?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I think the answer is pretty obvious, if you read this thread.

All I'm reading is "BLAIR IS A FKER HE SUCKS". Aside from supporting Bush are there any reasons to not support Blair? Is England in bad shape? Is the economy that bad? Unemployment? Is it because Blair supports Bush that no one likes him?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Some people do not have a choice about joining the forces.

I find it appalling that you suggest that just because people have joined the army they should be sent to war to die with no remorse because ''thats what they signed up to do''. Countries best interest? And what are Britains interests in going to war with iraq apart from Blair's head up Bush's ass?

Bush has remorse...not a lot, but he has some remorse.

It is the military's job to be sent to war...even if the result is death. That's the point of having a military....to have someone do the dirty work while other people can continue to live their lives unfettered.

Britains have no interests in going to war, and by all rights should not be in the war. The whole, "we're America's allies...we have to help them" arguement is utter crap. This is the one country that could have possibly talked Bush out of going to war with Iraq, if they had done similar to Germany and the French.

I'd say your country needs new leadership even worst than the United States. Atleast our leaders are dumb enough to make their own mistakes and follow through with them. Your country's leaders just blindly follow our poor leadership without thinking of what's best for their own people.

As for American's being dumb for re-electing Bush. I would stop to think of the other side of the arguement. Instead of thinking "anybody but Bush"....everyone should really take the time to think about how bad Kerry must have been in order to lose to Bush.

Yea there are probs. Like tuition fees and crap like that. Blairs really unpopular in rural areas as well. To be honest at the moment Ken livingstones the one rilli pissing me off.

I didnt have a problem with the war i think it was justified (maybe not for the reasons blair stated but thats a whole different thing). If the UK suddenly ended up in the situation Iraq was in I hope another country would step in and help us. What I had a problem with was the fact that Bush and Blair wasnt prepared to put any more effort into doing it with the UN's support.

Our country needs someone to oppose Blair. God, hes such a dick its unbeliavable.

The way he spoke to peoplein time of those petrol crisis, was just appalling. A leader, a good leader should not have adressed his people in the way he did. Lets not even go into him raising our tuition fees 200%.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
Britains have no interests in going to war, and by all rights should not be in the war. The whole, "we're America's allies...we have to help them" arguement is utter crap. This is the one country that could have possibly talked Bush out of going to war with Iraq, if they had done similar to Germany and the French.

I'd say your country needs new leadership even worst than the United States. Atleast our leaders are dumb enough to make their own mistakes and follow through with them. Your leadership just blindly follows our poor leadership without thinking of what's best for their own people.

Blair didnt follow Bush blindly, he knew exactly what he was doing. IMO he took part in the war to take the focus off of other problems in this country and buy himself more time to solve them. He's also managed to introduce new laws giving himself more power as a consequence.

O ye the petrol crisis... dont get me started.... Also - i love the way we have a congestion charge, an increase in bus and train fares and the petrol crisis all at the same time! Are they trying to make us all stay at home or something?

so is Blair in charge of tuition nation-wide? Or are there areas of the country that aren't affected by this larger fee?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Some people do not have a choice about joining the forces.

I find it appalling that you suggest that just because people have joined the army they should be sent to war to die with no remorse because ''thats what they signed up to do''. Countries best interest? And what are Britains interests in going to war with iraq apart from Blair's head up Bush's ass?

who would be the people with no choice about joining the forces? as far as i know theres no conscription in the UK...

as for the "sent to war to die"....thats not the case at all, theyre sent to war to fight... dieing is a possibility, but its the last thing any1 wants. if they arent going to fight, what SHOULD the army do? id love an answer to that, since there isnt 1.... war happens, the army is there to fight it! ur so caught up in trying to oppose everything to do with the government that ur ignoring basic stuff.......like: the army is there to fight.....if its not fighting, what is it doing?

The british armed forces were told that the war was for the future safety of the surrounding countries of iraq, and ultimately...the world, argue that as much as you like... as sceptical as it is now, that was the reason they were sent into Iraq! and tbh, with that reason in mind, i, as i think most in the armed forces would be, would have been proud do do my part to secure the safety of our and their countries! even if it meant risking my life.... but with what we know now, theres no chance id have fought in iraq

scotland isnt. Wales is i think but i dont know bout N.Ireland.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
so is Blair in charge of tuition nation-wide? Or are there areas of the country that aren't affected by this larger fee?

Nation wide im afraid. Every University in Britain. 200% raise is a lot. Oh and also, the gap between rich and poor was at his higest in the time of Thatcher, however that all changed 2 years ago. Now Blair holds that record.

After giving Gray Davis the boot last year and replacing him with Arnold Schwarzennegar...community college units is California went from $11/per unit to $28/per unit.

I'd hate to think of what happened to Universities.

California has like the 5th largest economy in the world and then we kick out our governor....which never happens....and Bush did nothing to give California some sort of help. That's sad.

i thought the scottish were exempt from tuition fees? Cos loadsa people said that the scottish MP's shouldnt be allowed to vote on something that doesnt apply to them? maybe it was all changed. prob my mistake.

"In Scotland
The situation is different in Scotland, where universities don't charge tuition fees to Scottish students.

Instead, Scottish graduates pay a Graduate Endowment. Basically, this is a fixed amount (currently £2,000) which is payable in instalments after graduation. The money goes towards funding bursaries and grants for future students. " Ok so maybe they do its just called something else... and its less

Originally posted by zombieman
I seriously hope you are taking the piss. Blair is sending out more and more young men to die in a pointless war, many of them with families; but lets all vote for him because the ****er can play the guitar and watches football!? Get real.

exactly, do u think it is easy running a country??
if so then maybe some people in here should apply to the job

No actually, Voting liberal or conservative would NOT automatically make you stupid as suggested earlier. We all have a right to vote how we like with out any judgement/interference/intimidation from supporters of other parties.

Stupid would be putting up with 4 more years of rubbish from an arrogant, dictating spinmeister who doesnt seem to be able to answer any real questions about his extremely questionable track record in NHS, education, taxation (Also Brown's fault, granted..), border control, farming, false or inaccurate(Modified..?) reports of unemployment/crime figures, Iraq, The BBC/Dr.Kelly, tuition fees, strikes, the whole thing without pointing immediately at what he is doing abroad or even a lot of the time, just giving answers to completely different and irrelevent questions....or just ignoring the issues...

Stupid would be trusting a man now whose only reassurance to us in the past was- 'Trust me... Im Tony Blair' when in every instance he applied that to, he completely screwed us over to curry favour/power for himself...

How many times does it take a man to say"Im not going to hit you" only for him to hit you low and hard everytime before you start to say to yourself-"Hmm. I'd better put my guard up..."? Who would be the more stupid. The guy with all ribs intact- or the guy with a ribcage like mashed hamburger...? 😉

I totally agree that indeed its got to be one tough job running this country but not so hard to run it into the ground though... Especially with his 'one-size-fits-all-nanny-state-'BS that smacks at times of quasi- communism. ('No dissent..! No criticism or we will unleash the spin on your ass...!'😉

The Tories get a lot of flak for Thatcher era conservatism and true,
Micheal Howard WAS on that cabinet. But I really do feel that they couldn't screw things up in this country anymore than this Labour,
And by the way.. before Thatcher, under Labour we had the winter of discontent(at the time of the petrol/fire service strikes, I thought we were back there again..) so while the Tories aren't perfect, Labour also have had a less-than-perfect history in other past/current terms too so it may be wise to remember that when considering track records before automatically condeming other parties based soley on that.

So in answer to the Blair question.. No I DON'T like his work"ethics" ..even if he does play guitar. 😉

Happy voting... and peace. 😄