Hmm Metroid or Flood?
You said it yourself, the Flood cant jump and must get near your too do anything (thier shooting is pathetic). I must of killed thousands of those ****ing things because they have no AI at all. The go in a straight line towards you, nothing else.
Metriods at least fly around and make you work for your money. In the same room, the Flood is still easy to contend with. The Metriods are different, considering the fly and can get behind you.
Hmm Metroid or Flood?You said it yourself, the Flood cant jump and must get near your too do anything (thier shooting is pathetic). I must of killed thousands of those ****ing things because they have no AI at all. The go in a straight line towards you, nothing else.
Metriods at least fly around and make you work for your money. In the same room, the Flood is still easy to contend with. The Metriods are different, considering the fly and can get behind you.
I've seen the Flood jump plenty of times, clearing long distances Spider-Man style. Yeah, their melee ability is far greater than their marksmanship, but they can still overwhelm you with numbers.
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Sure SA can jump multiple times to reach another ledge but hows she goner use it in combat??? she will get shot by chief while doing so! MC's reactions are very quick. and any agile moves she can do he could avoid!Have you played Halo1/2??? I have played Metroid Prime/Echos, and out of the two the flood win every time!. not only do they pack weapons.(anything the humans or covenant drop) but they can also jump vast distances and have power attacks. Also a dead flood "zombie" (for want of a better word) can come back to life in battle from another lil flood Although the metroid have more health then them, by the time any metroid noticed me on the game I had shot it once to make it recharge and the second shot finished it off.
she can use her jumping in combat because she doesnt float as terribly as master chief.. who practically has enough time for tea after pressing the jump button and waiting to touchdown on the ground again (which is why, you get sniped when you jump in multiplayer)
Yep I've played both.. flood come at you like fools while you just plow through them with a shotgun.. the only flood that get lucky enough to kill you, are flood that melee you... or that flood with the rocket launcher that sneak in the ranks... basically flood are a one shot one kill if you play your cards correctly.. the little flood reviving the "dead" flood is really not a problem.. I mean do you actually let the little flood walk past and take the 3 seconds to revive its brethren?.. I hope not..
a metroid on the other hand requires a superbomb to get off of you once they latch onto your body and begin draining your energy (and if youve seen your energy tank value when one latches on they leech like 20 points a second or so).. not to mention the metroids at the end of prime require a specific energy beam to destroy, which then split into 2 metroids.. requiring 2 different beams to defeat (the 2 are chosen randomly)
guys, guys, guys......
let me sum it up for you;
A Metroid:
Attacks, need to be close to SA to latch on to her.
Movement, can fly and do a short dash attack.
Durability, 2/3 shots will kill a metroid, and some require a certain guns to kill them.
Achievements, killed a couple of planets
The Flood
Attacks, Can have any of the weapons in Halo1/2, have a powerful close range hit as well, the spore flood can explode (like a grenade).
Movement, can run and jump great distances, also have a short range jump and hit attack.
Durability, can be killed with 1/2 shotgun blasts require a mags worth of ammo to kill with a smg, can be revived with a flood spore attaching to an adult flood.
Achievements, Where such a menace and nearly took over the galaxcy the forrunners built the halo rings to kill any "flood food" which also wiped them out. (halo rings not flood).
I don't have a problem admitting that space pirates are better than the food, but if you guys bothered to play halo1/2 on legendary you would she how hard the flood can be and they are more than a match for the metroid. I'm sure you can see that the flood are better but just love SA to much to admit that.
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
I don't have a problem admitting that space pirates are better than the food, but if you guys bothered to play halo1/2 on legendary you would she how hard the flood can be and they are more than a match for the metroid. I'm sure you can see that the flood are better but just love SA to much to admit that.
/sigh... I hope you realise in legendary the game is purposely imbalanced to make the task of completing the level much harder...(Enemy abilities such as fire speed, fire power, shield duration, HP duration, and aim botting are all dramatically increased to the point of being labeled haxx0rz.. have you gotten headshotted by a jackal just by sticking a pixel of your helmet out?... yeah I thought so..)
metroid doesnt have legendary difficulty.. until it does.. this aspect of the argument is meaningless to me
Again if you read the books you would realise that the emenies are scalled down in halo to give you an easier time.
The elites in halo can take out MC shields in 5-6 hits were as in the game they have to hit about 10 times this is to compensate for the fact that while you are a human, MC is legendary and would see attacks dodge, more quicker than you and be more accurate. If they gave him all his powers in the halo it would be easy on the game.
yes the game is imbalanced more in legendary, but the point I was trying to make is that the flood in real life are not as easy as in normal mode of the game.
Your consistant atempts to ignore all the areas MC dominates SA over is getting old, surely you have to start to understand some of the coments you have come out with a flawed to the point of boarder line stupidity....
E.G. SA is better than MC cause she has had more games come out for her.
Now that I have clarified my argument can you not see that the flood are clearly superior to metroids.
Satsujin what is your highest lvl on halo2 online, and what game mode?
Actually, if you played Legendary on a keyboard and mouse.. it would be easy as hell.. the controller makes the game a challenge really..
and as for xbl.. I think my highest level is like 17 or 18 in team slayer.. I'm basically trying to learn team slayer so I can be a better team mate for big team games
and at the moment you're starting to sound like a religious missionary, saying that people are stupid and primitive because they dont believe in your god.. in this case, master chief
sadly for you there 'are' people out in the world who believe samus aran beats chief.. if that viewpoint doesnt agree with you, I dont know what to tell you.. thats just how life is
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
Actually, if you played Legendary on a keyboard and mouse.. it would be easy as hell.. the controller makes the game a challenge really..and at the moment you're starting to sound like a religious missionary, saying that people are stupid and primitive because they don't believe in your god.. in this case, master chief
sadly for you there 'are' people out in the world who believe samus aran beats chief.. if that viewpoint doesnt agree with you, I don't know what to tell you.. thats just how life is
....right yes cause halo didn't come out for the PC and it was sooo simple....
Religious no. stupid and primitive, I don't think your that either, just confused and need "en lighting", this discussion is a VS fight between SA and MC however many people have treaded more like like a "who's your favourite? SA or MC" in which case then I don't mind your views and you can carry on your way of thinking.
However this is a fight and as I have show MC is Stronger, Tactically supieor, has greater reflexes and reaction times.
So I believe has a very good chance at beating her.
I haven't heard one point that would swing the fight in SA favour however the many points I have made seam to be ignored. Almost like your the religious one ignoring science... tell me are your a creationalist?
I'm a LVL 21 in Team Slayer and Big team battle
LVL 18 in head to head (though I haven't played it in a while)
Originally posted by Smasandian
So your arguement is that because MC has an easier time in the game, that the flood are easy. While in the books, they're harder.
How does this make sense?Bungie released Halo before the books, so any info from a book is somewhat useless, because it would seriously contridict what game was doing.
I ignored your comments the first time, as they were just plan dumb, the flood cant jump..... did you even bother to read what I said??? or maybe you didn't get the joke...
No the books tell you alot about the real master chief and explain alot about the story line. E.G. Without the books you could ask why every solider doesn't have MC suit??? with the books you understand that normal soilders cant use the suit.
The point is The flood are limited so YOU have an easier time.
The books give a greater picture as to what makes chief special and why he can do what he does. they also give instances in combat where chief gets shot and loses his shields this is consistent with the harder setting in the game. Where a few shots get rid of his shields however in the game he can take more damage jump shorter. to compensate for the fact that he can run fast has fast reactions and is Much smarter than me or you. thus giving him a great tactical advantage in battle. also hes had years of training.
So in this fictious battle. What MC do you use. The Book MC or the Game MC. Because they contridict each other.
One's weak and one's strong (as you put it), how is that possible?
They're the same character.
Considering SA is a game character than the battle should be against the Game MC.
MC has no advantages over SA
Smarter? Both are capable fighters.
Reflex? Both have good reflexes.
Stronger? This arguement is seriously flawed due to the fact that they're contridicting information because of two different MC's.
Weapons? Well SA takes over on this case.
Armor? Well, again SA takes over
Speed? Same as the Stronger arguement.
It looks like to me, that SA has an advantage over MC.
Originally posted by Smasandian
So in this fictious battle. What MC do you use. The Book MC or the Game MC. Because they contridict each other.
One's weak and one's strong (as you put it), how is that possible?
They're the same character.Considering SA is a game character than the battle should be against the Game MC.
MC has no advantages over SA
Smarter? Both are capable fighters.
Reflex? Both have good reflexes.
Stronger? This arguement is seriously flawed due to the fact that they're contridicting information because of two different MC's.
Weapons? Well SA takes over on this case.
Armor? Well, again SA takes over
Speed? Same as the Stronger arguement.
No the contridiction is the Game player, MC has a lot of abilities what could not be shown in the game. do you not understand that??? just like in the MPE you could go through the whole game without reading the Chozo law and still know whats happening. The chozo law only means to stop people asking questions about the game.. where did the chozo go? why didnt they stop the Ing?
where as Halo has the books to tell people whats going on. The MC are one in the same just his abilities are greater than you would realise from the game.
Smarter? He is much smarter than a normal Human with his biological upgrades, samus is a human.
Reflex? Again Reflexs upgraded and then upgraded again with suit and then upgraded again with cortana in him.
Strength? Got near unbreakable bones, upgraded strength and then upgraded again with the suit. Book and game show him lifting a 66ton tank. Samus is no where near that.
weapons? again what ever you want to give chief? at best a sword can cut through 3 meters of titanium.. whats samus made out of again? this area is still under much debate..
Armour? chiefs shields can take what ever samus can disout and then recharge. samus health just keeps dropin the longer the fight goes on.
speed? MC can dodge bullets and can run faster than samus (I believe) however in ball form she might boost past him.
in all areas MC is either better of equal to samus (apart from Armour and weapons which need to be debated) Yet you still think hes going to get tost aside so easy..
Thats the 2nd time you have picked up on minor things,(1st being the cortana issue) you love to make me be specific don't you! lol
The book quote "carbide ceramic ossification advanced material grafting onto skeletal structures to make bones virtually unbreakable"
I don't want someone saying I miss quoted! or gave the wrong impression.
No, the contridiction is the the two sources. The game contridicts the book and vice versa.
How can a game character have more abilities than whats shown in the game when the game came out before the books?
Is MC a real guy? Was he researched?
Your giving MC some mythicial proportions.
a) MC is a human and SA is also. Both have backgrounds that deal with military training.
b)a 66 ton tank? what if it was 67 tons, how bout that? His strength as I said, is totally contridicing. If he was soo bloody strong, why cant he rip doors off? That would of been alot easier. Also, why cant he throw a small grenade a thousand feet or die from getting run over by a tank? Its totally contridicting.
c)Hmm weapons. SA has everything known to man. Lets have MC beat a dark vortex of evil from MP:E, or a superbomb.
d)MC cant take a rocket so how is he going to take a superbomb?
e)MC cant dodge every bullet. If he dodge everything, why does he have armor then? He wouldnt need it if he dodge everything.
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
....right yes cause halo didn't come out for the PC and it was sooo simple....however many people have treaded more like like a "who's your favourite? SA or MC" .....
So I believe has a very good chance at beating her.
tell me are your a creationalist?
I'm a LVL 21 in Team Slayer and Big team battle
LVL 18 in head to head (though I haven't played it in a while)
- Halo 1 did come out for pc.. and even if that wasnt the case, I'm sure the xbox could be modded to have a mouse and keyboard
- Dont get me wrong, I think the fight would probably be very awesome to watch.. but the article you sent me was a complete chief overkill, which was annoying
- What does creationism have to do with you preaching the halo bible so hardcore?
- I had started from scratch like a week ago after they reset the ladder.. and not many people I Know play online so 😬 but I do hope I've gotten better
Originally posted by Smasandian
No, the contridiction is the the two sources. The game contridicts the book and vice versa.
How can a game character have more abilities than whats shown in the game when the game came out before the books?
Is MC a real guy? Was he researched?
Your giving MC some mythicial proportions.
a) MC is a human and SA is also. Both have backgrounds that deal with military training.
b)a 66 ton tank? what if it was 67 tons, how bout that? His strength as I said, is totally contridicing. If he was soo bloody strong, why cant he rip doors off? That would of been alot easier. Also, why cant he throw a small grenade a thousand feet or die from getting run over by a tank? Its totally contridicting.
c)Hmm weapons. SA has everything known to man. Lets have MC beat a dark vortex of evil from MP:E, or a superbomb.
d)MC cant take a rocket so how is he going to take a superbomb?
e)MC cant dodge every bullet. If he dodge everything, why does he have armor then? He wouldnt need it if he dodge everything.
Because his abilities cant not be implemented into the game. I though you read the books, you said you have in another thread. You know after the biological upgrades MC tried to figure out the reason everything appeared to be moving soo slowly for him. He thought the rooms gravity was faulty (it was a training gym where gravity can be altered) he saw a pin drop to the floor and though it moved slowly so he tried to figure out what was going on.
"He forgot the formula for distance and acceleration so he ran through the calculus and rederived the equation. he even did the square root. he frowned. he had always struggled with maths before."
He became much smarter after the augmentation. HOW ARE BUNGIE SUPPOSE TO SHOW THIS? Have a map where MC has to beat the covenant in an exam??? MC has very fast reactions. The game would just look like a blur to me and you, plus you wouldn't be able to control MC he would react too quickly. Unless you want to play the game with permanent "bullet time" on. So they tone him down abit!
Yes MC could lift a million tons Who knows the point is this MC can lift a 66 ton tank. SA has never lifted anything like that. rip doors off, What sort of game would that be. MC could but he doesn't cause it wouldn't be very fun if every time you came to a door he punched though it. While his suit and his bones are not breakable His organs are. when hit buy a tank, the kinetic energy from that impacted it transfered to his suit and on to him. E.g The first time he got his suit, "MC snapped a salute without thinking. His hand bounced off his helmet and a dull ache throbbed in his hand. His wrist would be bruised . If his bones hadn't been reinforced, he knew they would of been pulverized" I.E. no damage to his suit but it hurt him.
Don't worry if you don't get it Science is tricky and some times you just have to have faith in scientists telling you that things work the way they do.
MC doesn't throw grenades miles away cause he doesn't want to waste grenades. He probably could throw them farther then he does but he cant see what hes throwing at. Instead he thoughts them shorter distances at targets he can see.
The next comment as is just stupid. He was designed to battle against the Covenant not ing. SA weapons are designed to kill Ing not Humans How do we know that SA wouldn't be killed from a single plasma blast. This is just speculation. SA couldn't battle them either until she got given her suits. In fact without constant handouts from people on strange planets she wouldn't stand a chance. Whats to say that is MC went to the dark either his shields wouldn't hold???
I'm willing to debate this area more on what would be a fair damage ratio for there guns to do to each other.
As someone pointed out before. MC is over a foot taller than SA so her rockets are like half the size as the ones in halo and there blast size is much smaller. Again the area is still under debate.
SA rate of fire is much slower than MC's so he would dodge alot more of her shots than of a machine gun. Remember her powershots travel slower than her smaller ones.
Any more bright ideas??
Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
- Halo 1 did come out for pc.. and even if that wasnt the case, I'm sure the xbox could be modded to have a mouse and keyboard- Dont get me wrong, I think the fight would probably be very awesome to watch.. but the article you sent me was a complete chief overkill, which was annoying
- What does creationism have to do with you preaching the halo bible so hardcore?
- I had started from scratch like a week ago after they reset the ladder.. and not many people I Know play online so 😬 but I do hope I've gotten better
I was sarcastic with the first comment, I played it and found it hard to get use to the controls after the years of playing with the xbox controller. But when i got into it, it wasn't that much easier.
Creationalist refuse to believe anything scientific.. (there are sill people out there that believe the earth is flat and the earth is 2000-4000 years old( science thinks its more around the 14-20 billion years old)). It was a joke, at the fact you think I'm a religious nut.
Ill gladly play with you anytime, My account here is my user xbox live user name.