Master Chief vs Samus Aran

If MC can really lift a tank that weighs 60 something tons, he should be easily able to backhand most of his opponents' heads off. As this is not the case, and he has punched people in both games and books, I'm gonna call that overwriting.

Samus is also very strong with and without her suit. If her body is relative to her legs in terms of strength, she should be lifting a couple tons as well. (those are some big hops, no boosters included) In terms of strength, I'd give a small nod to Chief. In terms of agility and flexibility and such, I'd give an equally small nod to Samus. Melee would be very very close. I'll go for appeasement and say that if both throw down their weapons and armor and decide to duke it out, MC wins.

How can anyone seriously say Chief is smarter? Both have had military training since they were very young. If I were to give either a tactics point, it would be to Samus, solely for her teachers.

Samus would be more resistant to plasma weapons, because her suit takes extremes of temperature quite well. (walkin through lava) If we are using her standard suit and beam, Chief gets one pistol and a standard shield.

Haven't you read a word I wrote??? Ive given you quote and facts as to how MC is better to SA and yet you ignore them! Theres No evidence that SA is strong. She can jump high???? Dizzle, Galacticstorm already nullified your argument with the high jumper/ weight lifter argument. (its somewhere around page 47). so ill ignore that comment. MC is greatly stronger than SA still stands. The enemies in the Halo world are strong like chief. the covenent elites are, comparable to chief in strength but chief has the edge over them. The brutes are stronger than MC though. NO enemies in MP are seriously strong enough to contend with them.... if you know of someone plz enlighten me.
I've tried to explain the MC you see in the game is a slower version then the real one as his movements are too fast for the game to work. also he has very fast reactions. the book says his suit has (lightening fast reflexes) plz re-read some of my previous posts to get the idea.

You can conclude that MC is smarter. Until you can show me that SA is smarter than the average human ill let chief win this again. as I have shown in previous posts. AGAIN when is SA ever tactical??? she never uses stealth, she goes into another area and starts blasting. She might be able to wage a war really well as a battle comander, however he front line tactics are not in the same league as MC. But we are talking about the same people who created SA suit couldn't beat some space pirates. but one human/chozo hybrid could beat them all... as with regards to MC the humans were on a slow losing streak, but could hold the covenant off. However in battle they couldn't beat the covenant, MC changed all that.

The weapons talk is just pure speculation. MC has energy shields that are designed to reflect a high amount of plasma and energy weapons. Just because SA can take the heat of Volcanoes doesn't mean she could last against any of the halo weapons. MC or SA could be very weak to each others weapons, or they could take no damage at all. And besides she doesn't handle it well at all! she dies within a minute of getting into the lava, its not like shes immune to its effects.

MC never starts with just a pistol in the games (part from the lvl 1 on halo one, however he walks 10 meters and gets a machinegun) if you gave him or battle rifle and SMG I could understand. MC would beat SA in that case.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
And besides she doesn't handle it well at all! she dies within a minute of getting into the lava, its not like shes immune to its effects.

within a minute?... chief dies in regular water (except for that cutscene) so I think lasting in lava temperature says something about the heat resistance her armor has, which in turn relates to the heat plasma energy consists of.. plus your argument is that chief is really nothing like his gameplay on xbox.. but you havent even considered what samus must be like.. your argument is "Oh she has no books.. she loses", not to mention the poll is in samus' favor, so quite a few individuals must believe samus to be a little more formidable than you're giving her credit for.

Its unfortunate however that samus has had no real good multiplayer modes to show off some of her capabilities.. PvE is no real way to show off ones true power

When has chief died in regular water???? the only time he does is when its considered out of bounds! on the silent cartographer (halo 1) He can clearly wade out to sea! and he can survive in space for 30 mins in his suit so i think he will make it in water! I know you could say that SA might be 20 times more powerful in the real world, however thats just more speculation. If you can show some instances where SA could be much more powerful outside of the game, I'm all ears, but seeing as you don't im just basing my argument on the facts at hand!. I haven't seen SA fans here even try to give instances of her strength or how plasma energy relates to lava. With your reasoning MC can stand being in water... he must he immune to SA ice gun lol. Plasma heat is alot hotter then lava. and the plasma weapons the covenant have can burn though the armour on the spaceships the humans have (all have 3 meters of titanium armour, Whats samus made out of again????), I realise that the shots from there ships are alot bigger but the similarities are the same. the plasma gun can quite easily melt titanium armor. Your view on the poll again is flawed... Do you think this is the only website to have this thread???? search for it on google and see what comes up.... One of them gives it 70% MC 20% SA 10% draw so I must be under doing MC!!!! most of those votes were cast without my presence on this thread, by people who though MC couldn't even jump.... Fair enough there might be some people who still believe SA could win, I just hope I have extinguished some of these ludicrous claims about SA flooring MC.

When my friend told me MPE has a multiplayer mode I was all game. He only had one pad though so I haven't played it. 🙁
Though any game where you can auto lock an enemy can't be that good surely??? plz tell me more about the multiplayer...

My very base point, when I first started this thread and people started bringing up the books.. is that its unfair to bring up Halo books when Metroid has no official publications of its own.. which is why I was hoping it would be strictly kept game to game. Also, I never said she would floor master chief.. but I know it would be one vicious battle

plasma is of course hotter than lava, but my point is that samus is struck by all kinds of volatile energy sources and thrives because she has so many sub tanks and also due to the armor given to her

which brings me to my next point.. its obvious her armor is not of earthly origin, which is why it cannot be compared to earthly elements like titanium

why am I caring what happens outside of KMC again? I know other people argue on this subject.. but they all consist of different user bases .. in which case 'this' particular user base seems to think samus is the victor so far

and yes... those space carrier gun turrets are much much larger than a simple plasma pistol

http://www.geocities.com/dfloyd84/dnd/metsuit.html this is a sortof informational about her suit.. but the person who crafted the webpage added RPG rules in brackets, so ignore those.. she does have a plasma beam.. and If I recall correctly.. if she interjects her supermissile cache into the plasma beam.. it becomes a continuous arc of plasma that melts whatever she's aiming at

the multi mode of MPE.. you can dodge locks by using her dash feature (hold the targeting to lock, then left or right + b will sidestep incoming fire)... or you can roll into a morph ball and destroy the lock altogether.. apparently my friend played it and said it was a pretty fun playstyle. I havent played it though...

Unfortunately the books are in MC cannon...(aimed at SA), they are apart of him just like Samus has all those games...

Hey I remember wasn't there a simple flame trap in MP that did damage to SA??? so surely the sword would cut her. Although the last thing I would want to see is them two duke it out and MC just sword noobs her....

Space carrier guns work on the same principle as the pistol just they can be guided!

The Chief flips vehicles over in the game as well, which also has him not blasting someone's head off when he ganks them with a rifle. There's your inconsistency right there, but it's only inconsistent for gameplay reasons.

The books are part of Halo canon - there is no 'contradiction' outside of gameplay mechanics. I was under the impression it was already agreed that gameplay mechanics have no bearing on this discussion?

Thank you Wanderer, and your soo correct.

The other point is that bungie designers are lazy with the covenant models and in real life MC could tear the Covenant apart however bungie didn't want to go the effort of creating models that "explode". The flood on the other hand they did do, so when he hits them their limbs do come off! same for people not vaporising then there hit with explosives. Instead they fly though the air.

The biggest Problem here is that ones a Shooter and ones an adventure game. The point of MP is to get power ups to gain access to new areas, Halos is to shoot as many things as possible and be the thick of the action.

Gameplay mechanics have bearing in this discussion. Its about games, how can you not add gameplay.

I know that some people's strength is more concentrated in one area. (jumpers vs. weight lifters) However, Samus's jumping ability is so far above any human that it would be silly to even think that the rest of her is not unnaturally strong. If I saw someone who could bench 3 tons, I would assume that their legs would be quite strong as well.

The problem with assuming that Master Chief is smarter than Samus is that he simply has books that tell you exactly how smart he is, where Samus does not. It can be assumed, however, that she is quite adept in combat because she is a galactically renowed bounty hunter. Her training is just as extensive as Chief's is. Her commanding skills don't mean jack, as she works alone. If you go by that reasoning, Samus should win because she would be more adjusted to fighting alone against few tough opponents than Chief (Mother Brain beats the crap out of any brutes or elites, btw). True, he can do solo combat, but he usually fights with others to watch his back. (I don't really mean that... Assuming that would be stupid. But you saying that MC is better because he commands a group works exactly the same) Samus isn't less strategic because she doesn't use cloaking. It means her suit doesn't have a cloaking feature. The point of both games is to run into rooms and blast everything.

You're basing Samus on the game version when she is limited by the player, and MC on the books, which are meant to basically glorify Master Chief. You can't say that Samus is slow, stupid, and has crappy aim because she is controlled by a player in all of her appearances.

I still stand by my argument that Samus wins in what would probably be quite the lengthy fight. Simply because Master Chief is hugely outgunned and outarmored. Samus has a whole lot of energy tanks.

Agreed that she is stronger than the average human. yer she can jump and she could probably lift a few tons but not 66 like MC.

I'm fed up with the SA fans here saying "Oh SA is smart, Oh SA is strong, Oh shes a renowned bounty hunter" is there any proof of her intelligence??? MC has shown in the books he does a very complicated sum in his head, even though before he couldn't do it. The book doesn't give any other instances of his intelligence apart from that the upgrade was said to "superconducting ficrification of neural dendrites .... evidence of marked increase in intelligence, memory and creativity" (I could ask if there's any proof SA can even count??? wouldn't the chozo of abducted her before she went to school???? this is rhetorical) You seem to base all your argument on speculation and conjecture. Seeing as nothing is mentioned of her supposed "great intelligence" we will conclude she is an average human.

I never said that MC is better cause he can command a group... Yes he can command a group. What I was implying is that the chozo mastery of war is questionable. Who knows how good they were, and if they could even stand upto the covenant. There are several times in the game where MC sneaks into a room with alot of covenant near by and proceeds to assassinate all the covenant in the room. SA might as well let off fireworks whenever she enters a room as she never takes a target back alive.(note the metroid she saves wasn't the target, anyway she lets it die) shes a really good bounty hunter.

Is there anyone else who thinks that MP is a 1st person shooter????? I think your the only one. ITS AN ADVENTURE GAME!!!

try typing define: metroid prime into google and she what you get!!!
then try define: Halo

Funnily enough it comes up with exactly what I said.....

"You're basing Samus on the game version when she is limited by the player, and MC on the books, which are meant to basically glorify Master Chief. You can't say that Samus is slow, stupid, and has crappy aim because she is controlled by a player in all of her appearances."

I have biased my argument on what I have read and played with regards to the HALO series. You just seem to make up SA abilities as you go along. At no point do you give a quote or an example, "just oh I think she could do this _____"
It would be a lengthly fight and in the end MC would win. Every shot she lands his shields will regenerate from. SA health just keeps going down and down, while the danger bar keeps rising...

I could easily state that Chiefs armor is far more primitive to samus' because she's from a completely distant galaxy

example.. can chiefs suit morph into a ball without disfiguring him?

a small excerpt from the first metroid manual [NES]

"The
space hunter chosen for this mission is Samus Aran. He is the greatest of all the
space hunters and has successfully completed numerous missions that everybody thought
were absolutely impossible. He is a cyborg: his entire body has been surgically
strengthened with robotics, giving him superpowers. Even the space pirates fear his
space suit, which can absorb any enemy's power. But his true form is shrouded
in mystery."

http://www.classicgaming.com/mdb/m1/m1manual.txt

ok she has a more complex suit.... big deal all it means is more technology is going to the junk heep with all the sentianls MC has distroyed. The ring world of halo has greater tech than SA suit. however it all got crushed under MC boot.

I never understood how she morphed into a ball without disfiguring herself??? though she must be quite flexable and anerexic.... lol

When did SA change sex? I know that they kept it a secret that she is a women till the end of the game, but I didn't know they lied all the way though the game...

I agree that her suit is better in some ways then chief but I don't think they will swing the battle in her favour, so she can morph, he can kick. The rest of the suits upgrades won't help. she can already she him with normal visor. He could run from her bombs, and he can look up to shoot her when she jumps.

Plus MC suit is baised on Forerunner technology. Wana argue whos the more advanced race. Chozo or the Forerunners, lol both got killed off in stupid circumstances.

Good point 🐰

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
ok she has a more complex suit.... big deal all it means is more technology is going to the junk heep with all the sentianls MC has distroyed. The ring world of halo has greater tech than SA suit. however it all got crushed under MC boot.

I agree that her suit is better in some ways then chief but I don't think they will swing the battle in her favour, so she can morph, he can kick. The rest of the suits upgrades won't help. she can already she him with normal visor. He could run from her bombs, and he can look up to shoot her when she jumps.

Plus MC suit is baised on Forerunner technology. Wana argue whos the more advanced race. Chozo or the Forerunners, lol both got killed off in stupid circumstances.

Yes, more complex meaning providing better protecion, meaning she will be able to take more hits than him. Master Chief wasn't actually fighting against the ring world, he blew it up using a ship. I can smash a super computer, but does that mean I can beat somebody in an advanced combat suit?

No one, especially someone as experienced as Samus, is seriously stupid enough to roll up to an opponent in ball form and stop. The morph ball would be means to evade attacks. And drop some bombs. By the same token, Samus is ALSO not stupid enough to simply jump without attacking in any way.

The suit upgrades will too help. One hit from the ice beam would temporarily immobilize Chief, giving Samus an easy win via Super Missiles. A stream of plasma would take him out very quickly. As would missiles, super or otherwise. Chief's shield isn't that good. Not even close to being able to withstand all of Samus's weapons, much less being able to regenerate before she hits him again.

And I almost forgot! If Chief gets in close, we all know what happens! Sparkshine+Screw Attack=One twisted pile of metal and body parts where MC was standing.

Originally posted by SaTsuJin
I could easily state that Chiefs armor is far more primitive to samus' because she's from a completely distant galaxy

example.. can chiefs suit morph into a ball without disfiguring him?

a small excerpt from the first metroid manual [NES]

"The
space hunter chosen for this mission is Samus Aran. He is the greatest of all the
space hunters and has successfully completed numerous missions that everybody thought
were absolutely impossible. He is a cyborg: his entire body has been surgically
strengthened with robotics, giving him superpowers. Even the space pirates fear his
space suit, which can absorb any enemy's power. But his true form is shrouded
in mystery."

http://www.classicgaming.com/mdb/m1/m1manual.txt

Questionable source consdiering they continually refer to Samus Aran as "he".

Originally posted by Dogbert
Questionable source consdiering they continually refer to Samus Aran as "he".

not questionable.. considering nintendo wanted to keep aran's identity a secret until the ending of the first game.. they are direct excerpts from the instruction manuals, converted into .txt formats for easy reference

Yaaaaaaaaay .txt formats!

Anyhoo, sparkshine and screw attack still rule...

(i started a metroid RP)

Info on samus... Do a web search for Samus stats... look for Wikipedia.
Also look up Master Chief info... look for facts, info, and encyclopedia.

I searched through google. There's some interesting info on both Samus and MC.