Master Chief vs Samus Aran

She can hit him with the ligh beam , which is as fast as the light.

SA has the chozo technology inside her own body, thanks to that she has both phisically and mentally far superior than a normal human.

It nice to see someone who has read the books can understand where I'm coming from DarkC...

I still think the fastest firing guns in worlds of halo and metroid and the Halo sniper riffles (Beam/human) Im sure the fastest and most damaging guns MC could have...

I pretty sure a Rocket Launcher is more dangerous then a sniper rifle. You don't have to hit dead on to kill your target.

Originally posted by DarkC
You seem to misunderstand us, Sats. Lets focus on Samus's armour, not a tank's, as you said. Her armour is a lot more lightweight and is generally a lot more different than a tank's.

Samus's suit was built for flexibility and range of movement, not to mention to withstand the energy weapons that her enemies, the space pirates used.

A tank's armoured plating was built to withstand as much damage as possible, simply put. At a cost, its movement is greatly decreased.

So you can see clearly that they're two different things. I don't understand why you're considering a tank relevant to this part of the discussion.

as for the weight of her suit.. thats a bit strange to me.. considering that a suit made of that much robotic material would clearly weight in at way over 200lbs as stated in her wikikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samus_Aran .. so the chozo must be doing something good if they can make a suit that dense and that lightweight...

oh dear, cause SA can survive on her own in space isn't the same as surviving in combat!!!

um.. duh.. I obviously meant while she's down on a planet investigating the next distress signal.. not kicking back and eating bbq chips as you'd hope to imagine.. but if it makes you feel better 🙂

lets go back....

I made a point with nothing to do with their survival skills....

Originally posted by Me!!!!
MC has fought the covenant without his suit and still won. This training and skills gave him the edge over the covenant. SA has never though without her suit (excpt when you use the cheat but cheats arn't part of a chars cannon, or MC can fly) she wouldn't survive without it. MC Suit is very advanced in the halo world but as guilty spark 343 says "why do you use such ineffective weapons to fight"
MC suit and weapons isn't his greatest asset, its his physical strenght. reactions, tactical trainning and mind.

You countered with the point with no relevance that SA is good cause;

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
lol.. and you think samus having been a solo bounty hunter since she left the chozo doesnt give her deadly assets? It takes ALOT of wits to survive isolated from humanity for such prolonged amounts of time.. chief always has cortana to keep him company.

She can survive on her own without the help of the chozo... tell me where you said "in combat" thats why I talked about her surviving out in space...

Anyway If I assume corrected, your point is that she fights alone and doesn't have back up...

MC very rarely completes a mission with help... The Marines provide very little assistance to MC apart to provide him with guns. Nearly aways they fail to kill things and find it challenging just to stay alive long enough to use the guns they have been provided. In the bible they do complete some missions, that have no effect on the overall situation. Most of the time "echo 419" is just a minicab taken MC to one fight to the next.

MC has done most of his missions without the help of cortana, and if you remember shes not with him for the final mission. Several of the more important tasks MC has had to do have been without her help...

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
well..I felt that bullets were given a little more credit than they should have been when compared to plasma energy (in a science fiction setting).. so I felt the best way to describe the uselessness of bullets against superior technology was via tank

Now, say you shot someone with a plasma rifle bolt in the chest. He would scream in pain and tissues would be burnt to hell, but it wouldn't peirce the body cavity. However, he would slowly die from radioactivity.

And you shoot someone with a pistol in the chest. They die a lot faster. So, in a way, the bullet can be better than plasma in some ways.

Slowly die?.. plasma is far hotter than to just "slowly die".. you basically melt in seconds.. people can survive bullet wounds by luck.. but not being roasted

and to hit and miss.. cortana is constantly unlocking otherwise sealed doors for chief.. reading covenant chatter on the network interfaces.. how is that really not having help?.. personally I would like to equate samus' disposition with solid snake's.. as they are given intel before they're dropped on the mission.. and then thats it.. they're left to fend for themselves.. master chief has cortana illustrating every step of the way for him "Shoot that turret chief" "disable that interface chief" etc..

you can say I counter 'with no relevance'.. but yet you totally mismatched my quote against someone I never replied directly to.. as I believe quite a few people were saying "chiefs the bomb cuz he can kill (#) of elites" and so forth

Cortana can give him information. But she cannot control his suit. HaM is talking about the more physical feats that the MC has achieved; aiming the bomb perfectly when flying out of the depressurization chamber in Cairo Station, for example.

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
cortana is constantly unlocking otherwise sealed doors for chief.. reading covenant chatter on the network interfaces.. how is that really not having help?.. personally I would like to equate samus' disposition with solid snake's.. as they are given intel before they're dropped on the mission.. and then thats it.. they're left to fend for themselves.. master chief has cortana illustrating every step of the way for him "Shoot that turret chief" "disable that interface chief" etc..

nope your wrong again,
There are times where Cortana has no contact with chief such as in halo 1 when she is shocked to find out hes helping guilty spark...

To quote SA AI "shoot all enemies to proceed" talk about spelling it out for her.... what was she gonner do, walk past the space pirates??
or the times where SA suit tells her where to go... in both games, design here is to tell "the mentally challenged" what todo, so they don't break more of there controls in a huff, "caus' that dam door won't open"
I mean SA suit even tells her shes in danger with a little bar.. thats soo handy... shes surrounded by enemies and its flashing, tell her something she doesn't know... At least cortana speculates about the weather conditions.

QUESTION: Has SA EVER gone on a mission without the aid of her suit???

MC has done several without suit and Some with suit and no cortana. Showing he can be a force without his suit fully functioning.
SA couldn't do anything without her suit. its the be all and end all of her carer...

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
yet you totally mismatched my quote against someone I never replied directly to.. as I believe quite a few people were saying "chiefs the bomb cuz he can kill (#) of elites" and so forth

what are you talking about??

I think he's talking about that time I referred to the Elites; the technical fundamentals of Chief. They have the same skills, same stregnth, etc. and he's killed countless numbers of them.

No. The Master Chief's shields are a bit stronger then the Elites plus he is smarter.

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
nope your wrong again,
There are times where Cortana has no contact with chief such as in halo 1 when she is shocked to find out hes helping guilty spark...

QUESTION: Has SA EVER gone on a mission without the aid of her suit???

- duh.. thats cuz guilty spark acted as his cortana for that whole library level.. "proceed reclaimer.." "please wait a moment while I unlock this door" etc..

Answer : No.. she trains WITH her suit on because she knows she's going to be susceptible to possible airborne threats (such as radioactivity, viruses, etc) plus Im sure its very good weight training to learn to move with her suit on.. considering she's going to be using it for most of her adventures right?

Statement : Chief has never gone on a mission in-game without his armor.. regardless what the doofy books say

To quote SA AI "shoot all enemies to proceed" talk about spelling it out for her.... what was she gonner do, walk past the space pirates??
or the times where SA suit tells her where to go... in both games, design here is to tell "the mentally challenged" what todo, so they don't break more of there controls in a huff, "caus' that dam door won't open" Wow.. you've run out of stuff to comment about.. now you're dogging a tutorial?... how about "Chief... look at this light... chief.. look at this light.. would you like us to inverse your controls for you?... chief.. head to the cryochamber *notes big arrow labeled CRYOCHAMBER, including a picture of someone in a tube* "..

not to mention the constant "Press X to use (weapon)".. or "Hold Y to Dual wield"... honestly this isnt the stuff to be picking about..

and No darkC.. I was just stating that in general.. I wasnt aiming that at anyone in particular

Originally posted by DarkC
I see that you knew very little, if any, of the Halo History. What makes you think he's a normal human? The armor doesn't give him all the advantages over a normal being. His bones have carbide grafts onto them to make them virtually unbreakable. His muscles were injected to make them denser, making his already olympic-size strength boosted to three times. His cartoid implant in the brain boosted his reflexes to 300%. And he can see in the dark.

When did he/she ever imply that Master Chief was a normal human? mhoshi merely said that Samus is physically and mentally beyond any normal humans, countering the "MC is SMRTR, and Samus is a stuped gurl!" argument. Each have roughly same amount of experience, Samus is not going to be beaten tactically.

Samus's weapons are in her suit. Is it really fair to take hers away? And why is how strong and such she'd be without her suit an argument anyway? Iron Man's a cripple without his armor, but Tony would blast the crap out of both MC and Samus.

Every boss in Metroid is a lot BIGGER and MORE powerful than Samus, and she's beaten plenty of them... She's even faced off against a dark incarnation of herself. I countered the Elite thing a long time ago.

My point with the 1 weapon thing is that MC can't be blasting at Samus with a rocket launcher, pull out a sniper rifle, fire a few rounds, then get in close and hack away with a sword. It doesn't work like that. Also, Chief has to reaload every few shots, which is prime time for lock ons. One missile/super missile WILL kill Master Chief.

And no one, and I mean no one, can dodge indefinitely. The shots aren't THAT slow, and Samus has very good aim. One ice cannon shot is all she needs...

The point of the argument is that cortana is a major boost to MC systems, guilty spark isn't...

All this came from the point I'm trying to get across that any human can be injected with chozo blood and become SA. The same is not true for MC. because although the suit of his is a big help, its not his best feature.
I notice alot of the SA fans here (I believe), see this as a battle between the suits.(but not all)

Here we go again, doofy books? come on satsujin...
The books give us the chance to understand alot more about chief. I also enjoyed reading them...
He is capable of completing missions without his suit. again the point being its not the be all and end all of chief.(his suit that is)

no I'm not doing the tutorial... otherwise i would comment that you can scan the save station and it tell you to get in.....
The stuff i commented on happens constantly though the game. yours is one lvl at the start.those are help messages you can turn off. SA suit actually has a danger bar. and her AI never says anything other then about the enemies

What is this about???

"Samus's weapons are in her suit. Is it really fair to take hers away? And why is how strong and such she'd be without her suit an argument anyway? Iron Man's a cripple without his armor, but Tony would blast the crap out of both MC and Samus."

no one said taking away SA guns... as long as she plays nicely with them.

No one said he was carrying everything. the topic starter never came back with conditions. so we have talked about all of MC's weapons.
MC doesn't stand still when he reloads....🙄

"And no one, and I mean no one, can dodge indefinitely. The shots aren't THAT slow, and Samus has very good aim. One ice cannon shot is all she needs..."

Correct me if I'm wrong again.... but the ice cannon doesn't follow like the wave gun??? so if MC is moving SA auto aim doesn't counter for a moving target... It only targets where the enemies are at that exact time. so if MC was moving most of her shots will miss anyways.. the rest he could quite happily dodge as they are soo slow. (seeing as he can dodge bullets.....

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
- duh.. thats cuz guilty spark acted as his cortana for that whole library level.. "proceed reclaimer.." "please wait a moment while I unlock this door" etc..

Not, Hit was right. 343 Guilty basically kidnapped him with teleportation all the way to the library without Chief's consent, and pretty much used him to clean up the flood on the way. 343 didn't exactly "help" Chief anyways.

Originally posted by DarkC
Not, Hit was right. 343 Guilty basically kidnapped him with teleportation all the way to the library without Chief's consent, and pretty much used him to clean up the flood on the way. 343 didn't exactly "help" Chief anyways.

I'm thinking 343 assumed that chief was something the forerunners called a reclaimer (which must have been some sentient being whose sole purpose was to aid in sacrificing itself defending the ring from an outbreak of sorts).. which was why he teleported him to the library.. and if it really wasnt with chiefs consent.. chief could have went rogue and decided to find another way out, but chief knew the power of the index and wasnt leaving without it (its just that he didnt know guilty's intentions)... and yes spark helped chief along the way.. unlocking the doors and calling sentinels to specific outbreaks behind the scenes

and her AI never says anything other then about the enemies

it also translates chozo lore, and also specific flora and fauna of the planet she's currently on

and why wouldnt her suit detect a weakness for her?.. Metroids enemies are not like halo where you can just spam rocket fire.. they have a certain point to be shot in (and sometimes even a specific phase), and may or may not require a specific weapon to defeat them with

Also.. apparently chief isnt unique.. since there were other spartans (linda and all those others you mentioned) before and after him.. samus is just one samus

as for auto aiming, that didnt even come into the picture until prime, simply because they didnt want to make the game a frantic first person shooting game (or they could have given it quake 3 style controls).. they just wanted an action adventure title out of it... if you notice its very much like the Z-targeting found in the zelda games

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
All this came from the point I'm trying to get across that any human can be injected with chozo blood and become SA. The same is not true for MC. because although the suit of his is a big help, its not his best feature. I notice alot of the SA fans here (I believe), see this as a battle between the suits.(but not all)

Here we go again, doofy books? come on satsujin...
The books give us the chance to understand alot more about chief. I also enjoyed reading them...
He is capable of completing missions without his suit. again the point being its not the be all and end all of chief.(his suit that is)

What is this about???

"Samus's weapons are in her suit. Is it really fair to take hers away? And why is how strong and such she'd be without her suit an argument anyway? Iron Man's a cripple without his armor, but Tony would blast the crap out of both MC and Samus."

no one said taking away SA guns... as long as she plays nicely with them.

No one said he was carrying everything. the topic starter never came back with conditions. so we have talked about all of MC's weapons.
MC doesn't stand still when he reloads....🙄

"And no one, and I mean no one, can dodge indefinitely. The shots aren't THAT slow, and Samus has very good aim. One ice cannon shot is all she needs..."

Correct me if I'm wrong again.... but the ice cannon doesn't follow like the wave gun??? so if MC is moving SA auto aim doesn't counter for a moving target... It only targets where the enemies are at that exact time. so if MC was moving most of her shots will miss anyways.. the rest he could quite happily dodge as they are soo slow. (seeing as he can dodge bullets.....

Any human can be genetically enhanced and become Master Chief... Samus has been trained since age 6, she's not just any old human when it comes to fighting, with or without the suit. It's not solely a battle between the suits, but it helps a lot. Both are physically and mentally better than the average human by quite a margin. Both are very skilled, but Samus has a lot more firepower.

Without his suit, Chief is screwed in this fight, just as much as Samus is. Why bring up the fact that he's good without it? That was my point with Iron Man. Both Samus and Master Chief would beat up Tony Stark if they met without armor, but Iron Man's arsenal would decimate both, probably at the same time. Physically, the person in the suit has no bearing on the fight at all, since the suits power up both a great deal.

And since you were talking about ALL of MC's weapons, I said that he can't CARRY all of his weapons, making some routes to victory impossible.

Samus's aim isn't always dependant on a lock... You still talk as if Samus will never hit MC, which is blatant bias. She's been shootin things for quite a number of years.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Any human can be genetically enhanced and become Master Chief... Samus has been trained since age 6, she's not just any old human when it comes to fighting, with or without the suit. It's not solely a battle between the suits, but it helps a lot. Both are physically and mentally better than the average human by quite a margin. Both are very skilled, but Samus has a lot more firepower.

Sign.. MC was chosen with 147 others to undertake the spartan program... these 147 were the only ones capable of it, not everyone can become a spartan. only 147 out of all the human colonised planets (not just earth) could take on the training. These spartan wannabes were genetic perfect humans. Then about only half of them survived the upgrades... extremely hard to become a spartan.... SA was given an injection of chozo blood in one arm and a brand new suit in the other....

Originally posted by Dizzle
Without his suit, Chief is screwed in this fight, just as much as Samus is. Why bring up the fact that he's good without it? That was my point with Iron Man. Both Samus and Master Chief would beat up Tony Stark if they met without armor, but Iron Man's arsenal would decimate both, probably at the same time. Physically, the person in the suit has no bearing on the fight at all, since the suits power up both a great deal.

Your not hearing what I'm saying.... MC power comes from his upgrades, his suit doesn't make him smarter then SA, nor does it give him is tactical knowledge. His suit mearly helps upgrade his skills further.. MC is not screwed without his suit, has he has shown in the books the ability to kill covenant and complete missions. MC was not the strongest, or the fastest, or the best sniper... But over all he was the best of all the Spartans, thats what elevated him to the rank of Master chief, and got him Cortana.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Samus's aim isn't always dependant on a lock... You still talk as if Samus will never hit MC, which is blatant bias. She's been shootin things for quite a number of years.

lol as the game shows... SA can't free aim and move at the same time 🙄 Lets remember the things shes been shooting for years tend to stand still.... or move in very predictable patterns....lol hmm I wonder where the space pirate will jump to next. All the other times hes jumped to that ledge next.... would she even be able to deal with a foe as unique as chief that would do random things and not be predictable???

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
it also translates chozo lore, and also specific flora and fauna of the planet she's currently on

she could bring along here chozo dictionary and do it herself... chozo law never really helps her anyways, wooo I'm the chosen one, can I have a new gun plz? I mean I could look at a MP enemy and say "oh my shots are rebounding, I wonder if i have to shoot it with the dark cannon... oh look its turning red.. Note to self dark hurts it"

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
Metroids enemies are not like halo where you can just spam rocket fire..

MC is lucky to get 6 rocket shots a lvl most of the time required to take out vehicles... Every other enemy SA kills gives her 5 more rockets.... shes the one spamming them out there MC can hold 8... SA 250???

Originally posted by SaTsuJiN
if you notice its very much like the Z-targeting found in the zelda games

All Nintendo games take the difficulty out of attacking the enemies. lol

Found this, and after debating with satujin on the topic could not help but post it

Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
Sign.. MC was chosen with 147 others to undertake the spartan program... these 147 were the only ones capable of it, not everyone can become a spartan. only 147 out of all the human colonised planets (not just earth) could take on the training. These spartan wannabes were genetic perfect humans. Then about only half of them survived the upgrades... extremely hard to become a spartan.... SA was given an injection of chozo blood in one arm and a brand new suit in the other....

Your not hearing what I'm saying.... MC power comes from his upgrades, his suit doesn't make him smarter then SA, nor does it give him is tactical knowledge. His suit mearly helps upgrade his skills further.. MC is not screwed without his suit, has he has shown in the books the ability to kill covenant and complete missions. MC was not the strongest, or the fastest, or the best sniper... But over all he was the best of all the Spartans, thats what elevated him to the rank of Master chief, and got him Cortana.

lol as the game shows... SA can't free aim and move at the same time 🙄 Lets remember the things shes been shooting for years tend to stand still.... or move in very predictable patterns....lol hmm I wonder where the space pirate will jump to next. All the other times hes jumped to that ledge next.... would she even be able to deal with a foe as unique as chief that would do random things and not be predictable???

she could bring along here chozo dictionary and do it herself... chozo law never really helps her anyways, wooo I'm the chosen one, can I have a new gun plz? I mean I could look at a MP enemy and say "oh my shots are rebounding, I wonder if i have to shoot it with the dark cannon... oh look its turning red.. Note to self dark hurts it"

MC is lucky to get 6 rocket shots a lvl most of the time required to take out vehicles... Every other enemy SA kills gives her 5 more rockets.... shes the one spamming them out there MC can hold 8... SA 250???

All Nintendo games take the difficulty out of attacking the enemies. lol

The failed upgrades were because of limited human technology, not because it's simply undoable. Captain America was one skinny SOB before the super soldier serum.

Master Chief would indeed be screwed without his suit, because A: No shields or extra protection, meaning one hit kills. B: His reflexes and physical attributes would be tuned down a LOT. C: No Cortana.

Once again, you still fail to enlighten us as to why MC should win because he is "better" without his suit on.

Samus's suit doesn't give her her battle skills either. She has survived her entire life against things as or more powerful than she is by herself. I know MC is smart and skilled, but so is Samus.

Most of Samus's games have been 2D. The main focus of the 3D ones is not the fighting. Game mechanics are not to be used. The same thing goes with intelligence. Metroid is more an adventure game than a shooter. Using specific weapons to defeat specific enemies is the point, where MC's is basically blast everything in sight.

Going by games, Metroid probably takes a whole lot more intelligence to get through. So quit trying to use trivial game stuff against Chief-glorifying book stuff. This is why books were initially disregarded; They both clash with abilities in the games and do their best to make MC out as a complete badass.

Master Chief could bring a full spy kit for opening locks, but it's easier to have Cortana, wouldn't you say? There are plenty of obvious things in the games, but those are for the stupid people controlling Samus... Because the world has idiots. It says nothing about Samus herself. You've just resorted to attacking Metroid rather than the character. (also, see "Cryochamber"😉

Nintendo beats the SHIT out of X-Box. Don't talk.