Exactly why the hell is the quality of either game being debated here? What difference does it make in this match-up? Set the alleged quality of either game aside, since it has no bearing on either character in its own story canon, and stop all this nonsense about, "Well, MC is obviously blahblah because all you do is run and gun" and, "Well, Metroid Prime 2 isn't that hard of a game..."
It doesn't matter. Stop it, please.
Originally posted by Arbiter
I'm highly biased? Look for the record Halo isn't my favorite game series it is:
1- Sonic
2- Super Smash Bros
3- Zelda
4- Star Fox
5- Mario
6- Halo
Oh come on.
Your name and the name of your location is about Halo. You can see why I thought of this.
And Wanderer, its about the characters that are invovled in games. Why cant the actual game be in questioned?
And if it bothers you that much that its going off topic (which this thread has done for awhile), why did you bother to waste your time to post?
Originally posted by DarkC
Right. I see. 😑Wait, no I don't.
Because from YOUR P.O.V., it appears that every FPS game ever made would also be classified as "an Action Adventure game put in a first person perspective". Think about it.
It would be better if you did.. but allow me to explain..
games like quake and doom rely soully on the killing of monsters and the acquiring of weapons to advance.. no real 'exploration' or powerup finding is necessary (nor is there puzzle solving outside of locked doors).. however with the metroid universe, it is purely exploration, and finding out enemy weaknesses.. basically, having a quick trigger finger is not required to enjoy the game
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As for wanderers comments.. I semi agree.. because when the character is questioned.. the rules from their universe are questioned also, which directly relates to the game they represent.. so while it is silly in one way.. it also becomes just as important in another respect
Well its actually impossible to tell who would win since they don't excist in real life.
If Master Chief was real and we all know how fast his reactions are he would be almost impossible to hit really, sort of like Vash the Stampede.
Samus is also able to do impossible things like roll into a ball and release bombs. Unsure of how fast her reactions are, but her visor should help her out there the detect things before they come her way.
Plus since a human is not controlling them and its them themselves would they not be 10x times faster?
MC owns SA in;
Strength
Reaction time, (By the way His suit is faster then him)
Brains (including thinking time, AI, Hes clever)
His shields keep coming back. Her health keeps falling
Debatable areas;
Weapons we don't know the kinda damage they would do to each other.
SA tech, I don't know how her suit would give her an edge over chief...
Problems with Logic:
I'll give Chief strength and a small nod on the reactions, solely because Samus doesn't really have feats of that nature. (I don't have anything besides dodging single bullets for Chief though)
Brains- We've been over this. You can prove that Chief's better at Calculus, but that's pretty much it. In terms of strategy and experience, they're basically dead even.
His shield may come back, but it takes a hell of a lot less punishment than Samus's armor does. Meaning that while he can take one shot, hide, and come back good as new, it only takes a couple for him to die. Wheras Samus can afford to wade through some attacks with her 15+ energy tanks.
Weapons: Samus's come from a much more advanced race. They do not need reloading and are all contained within the suit at the same time.
Armor: Once the shield goes down, MC dies in a shot or 2. Samus doesn't use shields, and takes a goodly number of shots before she goes down.
Quit going back to old arguments! Samus wins because my avatar is better!
Single bullets! (Ok I'll down-grade chief for a bit and ignore that).... But counter with... Samus doesn' fire quick enough so MC could dodge her single bullets easy.....
Brains- Ok again you can't prove SA has Superior intellect, But Ill counter with, Supposing SA and MC are on the same lvl of IQ, MC still thinks and feels Time much quicker then SA, His brain has more time to think then hers does. So when presented with a problem or a battle situation he has a longer time to think about the best way out of it/attack SA.
"Once the shield goes down, MC dies in a shot or 2. Samus doesn'tt use shields, and takes a goodly number of shots before she goes down."
This is presuming She can hit him....He can dodge her single bullets.
"Samus wins because my avatar is better!"
LOL, Your lovely copied avatar shared with hundreds others....
Seeing how I created and designed my own. I think the animation speaks for its self.....
Firstly, you said yourself Chief can't dodge any kind of rapid fire. And he can't... You overrate his reaction times. Samus's cannon shoots as fast as any other energy based weapon. A good series of shots can make dodging all of them pretty much impossible. And if Samus is using her ice cannon, the first hit immobilizes Chief, the second is in the form of a missile.
In terms of brains, Samus has as much experience as Chief, meaning the tactics would not be a deciding factor either way. Chief sees things moving slightly slower than the average human. Not hundreds of times slower, not even whole multiples slower. Just a little bit slower. Meaning... No real advantage in terms of one outthinking the other.
And you're still assuming Chief dodges indefinitely. He can't. A few hits is all Samus needs.
And you probly don't know who's in my avatar, and I have yet to see anyone with the same one (it is just a picture I found, yet it wasn't one of them through KMC). My sig is custom as well... And thoroughly kickass.
"Samus's cannon shoots as fast as any other energy based weapon."
Yup and thats slower then bullets..... plasma shots in halo are slower then bullets.
So MC could probably dodge more of them.
" if Samus is using her ice cannon, the first hit immobilizes Chief"
MC is not a space pirate. His shields would absorb the blow. also the charged shot is very slow MC could avoid this. the non- charged shot wouldn't freeze MC, Come on we have been over this.....
"In terms of brains, Samus has as much experience as Chief, meaning the tactics would not be a deciding factor either way. Chief sees things moving slightly slower than the average human. Not hundreds of times slower, not even whole multiples slower. Just a little bit slower. Meaning... No real advantage in terms of one outthinking the other."
I'll Ignore this, too much SA bias.... MC sees things alot slower. outside of his suit his reactions mean he sees things about 1 second slower, inside his suit, thats increased, with cortana its even more slower..... enough for him to dodge bullets and defect missiles.
"And you're still assuming Chief dodges indefinitely. He can't. A few hits is all Samus needs."
...I'll downgrade MC.... He dodges half her "slow" shots, he still has enough time for most of his shield to recharge. As soon as hes not being hit they start recharging..(in book, Game gives a short time so people don't have to shoot him 101 times.)
Your sig would be better if you increased the writings size as people might struggle to read it, You can read it as you know what It said before "painting" it.
Charge shot is bigger... Harder to dodge... Easier to force someone to dodge to a specific area... There's strategic ways to hit someone if they can dodge stuff normally. Plus attempting to retaliate makes dodging all the harder. And shields don't recharge instantly. One hit from pretty much anything would take off a good chunk of it. A missile would still kill him.
How does wearing armor increase his reactions... the stuff in his brain, not his movement speed. Right, it doesn't. Cortana warns him about incoming stuff, she doesn't actually electrically tap into his brain and speed everything up. The suit makes him move faster, but that's it. His reactions remain at a notch above normal human.
And what's this? Sacrifice style for legibility? Unthinkable.
"Charge shot is bigger... Harder to dodge"
Charge shot is bigger, but way slower... Its easier to dodge!
"A missile would still kill him"
We have been over this SA missiles are smaller then MC and have a very low payload in them. The damage area is also very small.
"How does wearing armor increase his reactions... the stuff in his brain, not his movement speed. Right, it doesn't. Cortana warns him about incoming stuff, she doesn't actually electrically tap into his brain and speed everything up. The suit makes him move faster, but that's it. His reactions remain at a notch above normal human."
If you actually knew what MC suit does might help you not make silly errors like this.
MC reactions are greatly increased.... Trust me.
By harder to dodge, I meant he would have to move his entire body. A big shot is very useful in forcing someone to dodge to a specific area, which makes hitting them quite easy.
Missiles are missiles. Samus's brand may be slightly less powerful, but a direct hit would still kill Master Chief... If they don't work, she busts out Super Missiles.
So MC's suit speeds up his brain now? It speeds up his body, making him able to get out of the way faster, but it doesn't actually make the world "slower" for him. (I admit, I don't know the real scientific explanation behind the suit... but it definitely doesn't do that)
So MC's suit speeds up his brain now? It speeds up his body, making him able to get out of the way faster, but it doesn't actually make the world "slower" for him. (I admit, I don't know the real scientific explanation behind the suit... but it definitely doesn't do that)
yes it does. His reaction times improve... First of we are told without suit its slower for him. He sees a pin drop and can't understand why it moves slower then it should... he figures out time has slowed down for him as his reactions have sped up.. Then with his suit we are told then have increased again... Then we are told with cortana she speeds them up again... The world would be much slower.
The bullet dodging incident was done when he had just got his suit. We are told he was taking it slowly and had barely any experience in his suit. Also his systems were toned down a bit so he could get use to using his suit. E.G when he first put it on. He saluted someone and almost knocked himself out.
"By harder to dodge, I meant he would have to move his entire body. A big shot is very useful in forcing someone to dodge to a specific area, which makes hitting them quite easy."
He shots are more inacurate the greater the distance. With a gap between them her targeting system can't compensate for a moving target. If he ran round her she would always miss...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circlestrafing
Where as mc would tend to miss less as he can aim his guns better...
Anyways, with time he gets more experience and could dodge more rounds...
