samus is faster than you give her credit for..
I uploaded smash melee intro.. she has a scene where she dodges ridley with a flip http://s59.yousendit.com/d.php?id=BEE435RCX9KO22EU1JLAJQDCW
samus is faster than you give her credit for..
I uploaded smash melee intro.. she has a scene where she dodges ridley with a flip http://s59.yousendit.com/d.php?id=BEE435RCX9KO22EU1JLAJQDCW
http://s15.yousendit.com/blocked.aspx
nice link satsujin......
smash melee shouldn't really be in her cannon... Mario can kill her. and doesnt get instana killed by her gun... lol, MC would own smash melee SA
God dammit, quit using game mechanics! Samus's aim is perfectly good, circle strafing will get Chief nowhere. Being predictable makes you an easy target.
A charged shot with the slight majority of it being to Chief's left would force him to dodge right. Samus shoots where MC is forced to go. That's a hit. There's plenty of stuff one can do to hit a dodgy opponent.
And prove to me that Chief doesn't just get a lot stronger and physically faster due to the suit. It says it boosted his reactions, but reacting is both physical and mental. If the suit made him a lot faster physically, it would make his reactions better.
And he wasn't suggesting you use SSBM Samus, he was showing a clip of Samus using both reflexes and agility. By the same token, Samus is a much better character than Ganondorf in SSBM, who would easily beat up the likes of Master Chief... So she's better, right? 😉
Originally posted by Hit_and_Misssoz I'll redo it.. the program to upload it messed up a few times.. and it wasnt the 'smash melee engine' that it was displaying
http://s15.yousendit.com/blocked.aspxnice link satsujin......
smash melee shouldn't really be in her cannon... Mario can kill her. and doesnt get instana killed by her gun... lol, MC would own smash melee SA
"God dammit, quit using game mechanics!"
its not game mechanics. Its her targeting system. It locks onto the target where it is at that point in time. It doesn't predict where MC would be to shoot.
"A charged shot with the slight majority of it being to Chief's left would force him to dodge right. Samus shoots where MC is forced to go. That's a hit. There's plenty of stuff one can do to hit a dodgy opponent."
yes theres plenty, But MC can strafe one way then back the next. by this he could this... Don't be silly her shots are much slower then bullets. they would get dodged like this easy.
"And prove to me that Chief doesn't just get a lot stronger and physically faster due to the suit. It says it boosted his reactions, but reacting is both physical and mental. If the suit made him a lot faster physically, it would make his reactions better."
Erm... I think you should re-think this and post again. I don't understand what you want?
"And he wasn't suggesting you use SSBM Samus. He was showing a clip of Samus using both reflexes and agility."
so you want to use a clip from a game where she shows some move... then not use the game in question.....???? erm Bye bye logic, Hello Wishful thinking..
" By the same token, Samus is a much better character than Ganondorf in SSBM, who would easily beat up the likes of Master Chief."
And luigi can beat SA, so can fox, and falco..... All would get owned by MC. Ganondorf??? yes the one from the Zelda games might possibly be able to kill MC, Not the one from SSBM, he would just get rounned. plus hes like inch tall! lol
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
"And he wasn't suggesting you use SSBM Samus. He was showing a clip of Samus using both reflexes and agility."so you want to use a clip from a game where she shows some move... then not use the game in question.....???? erm Bye bye logic, Hello Wishful thinking..
no.. the clip from the 'cinematic' has nothing to do with the actual in-game play... this is perhaps the dumbest thing you've posted.. and all for the favor of chief.. tsk tsk.. anywho.. the bummy webpage is still having errors uploading it.. so I'll show it when its possible
Lets get this straight. There's a cinematic in a game that shows her doing something good. But the game its self gives no relevance to the post. Thats dumb. You can't go picking out some movie that shows her in a good light, but not use the game. Don't be silly satsujin.
"the clip from the 'cinematic' has nothing to do with the actual in-game play"
So the clip has nothing to do with SA in any game.... 🙄
SA fan art will be next....
ok.. so you refuse to beleive chief is nerfed in a game.. but yet use the books to glorify him.. its the same shit
again you blab, and then mess up my statement... the clip shows her firing quick shots at ridley, and then when he charges her she flips over his head and returns fire instantly.. its a cinematic.. which obviously nintendo said was ok for HAL Lab to do.. very much the same fashion as your halo books.. the game obviously plays differently than a cinematic... what cinematic do you know is playable?... tsk tsk..
ok, Ill accept your feat. she jumps over ridley and shoots him... is that it???
"but yet use the books to glorify him.. its the same shit"
I don't glorify him. Its MC were talking about. If I told you he was slow and crap, then you would be happy. You keep attacking the books as you know that they give him the edge in this battle. The books and the games are just like the movies and comics for xmen. They contradict themselves soo much in terms of abilities and powers. MC is the same, to be able to use that suit he has more power then given to him.
I'm sure it would be the same for SA if she had reading material.
The point is this, The game SSBM completely contradicts SA. So anything in that game can't be taken seriously
Ridley is Apparently a "mastery of war" (seems familiar!) yet hes seen making a rookie mistake in your video... could we expect similar feats from SA with her Mastery??
no.. but the thing is there are a few cinematics released from nintendo with samus in em (usually to demonstrate their new tech).. and even though they're a slight few.. its just as helpful as your books are.. and I didnt say you glorify him, I said the books do (which you have to admit is a total 180 from the game).. considering samus has almost only her games to work with, I believe she's standing up pretty damn good..
and for the record.. war isnt exactly describing a 1 on 1 fight to the death.. (i.e. if you charge at 50+ people, you know you're gonna get killed off.. whereas with 1 person its obviously less risky)
I believe that the MC from the books would be almost impossible to control in the halo world. too many of his abilities wouldn't be possible to show without "augmentation" yourself. SA holds up well but with a few major flaws as a char. Her ever-ending ammo and the targeting system in her suit, I consider to be areas that strip some of the fun out of combat in the game.
"and for the record.. war isn't exactly describing a 1 on 1 fight to the death.. (i.e. if you charge at 50+ people, you know you're gonna get killed off.. whereas with 1 person its obviously less risky)"
So her training and "mastery of war" passed on from the chozo, wouldn't be suitable for fighting MC. MC training is for fighting a war as a person, and commander of a group. SA is as a commander of a legion.
Shes had alot of experience fighting 1 on 1, but no real training.
she battles many bosses 1v1... and the chozo have mastered war.. it is possible that she may not be as conditioned as they.. however her training makes her superhuman obviously.. experience is really all the training one needs, but I consider her to be more than adept in this case.. as the federation she works for have sent her upon numerious suicide missions, and she has pulled through
http://www.gccafe.com/e3/2004/metroidp2.wmv
samus can move really fast heh (when she's confronted with her replicant, especially)
You forgot flipping off walls... And funny how MC's running speed STARTED at 30mph...
The statement I had says that MC's suit makes him physically faster, so that he can dodge better. It doesn't make his brain faster.
Samus's targeting system is a game thing. You're assuming that she has no way to aim besides directly at a target, because of a game feature. Halo has a little bit of lock too...
And aside from running, Morph ball's pretty damn fast, if relocating is really necessary.
My point with Ganondorf is the same as your point with Mario. They're balanced so as to give neither a real huge edge. Same reason why no one says Wolverine is better than Shin Akuma. Just because the version of the character from that particular game is weaker doesn't mean everything from the game must be immediately ignored. Master Chief is better in the books, for the most part, so now all arguments from the games are officially null. Right? (apply your logic, then come back)
"And funny how MC's running speed STARTED at 30mph..."
Thats what I put originally, but then I read up on SA and MC to make sure my conclusion was right. The 45mph speed was what I read.
"and don't you consider dodging moving?.. she dodged a wave of dark samus plasma fire and some small explosions"
thats just simple jumping and strafing. Both can do this, thou MC is faster then SA.
"The statement I had says that MC's suit makes him physically faster, so that he can dodge better. It doesn't make his brain faster."
Why don't you try reading up on MC you would quickly realise that your posting on your ignorance.... reaction times improve, thinking time shortened, physically stronger.... list goes on...
"Master Chief is better in the books, for the most part, so now all arguments from the games are officially null"
I don't get you, What arguments from the games are null???
You still can't prove the following about SA;
Shes above average IQ.
Shes stronger then 1ton.
She has heightened reactions.
All I got is you telling me this. No proof from games, no quotes from books. Just fanboy websites with SA picks out of her suit.
The reason MC is better in the books is cause his abilities are too hard to implement into a gaming environment.
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
"Master Chief is better in the books, for the most part, so now all arguments from the games are officially null"I don't get you, What arguments from the games are null???
You still can't prove the following about SA;
Shes above average IQ.
Shes stronger then 1ton.
She has heightened reactions.All I got is you telling me this. No proof from games, no quotes from books. Just fanboy websites with SA picks out of her suit.
The reason MC is better in the books is cause his abilities are too hard to implement into a gaming environment.
Don't try to twist what I said, that was sarcasm about you ranting on how a clip taken from a cinematic in SSBM was to be ignored because that version of SA is weaker than normal SA. I said MC is better in books, so now all feats and such from the games count for nothing. Neither is right, I was pointing out your flawed protest.
No, I can't prove them exactly. Because Samus has not the luxury of official fanbooks. She just has fanfiction. Strength, however, was worked out logically. Samus jumps higher than MC. Seeing how strength in the body is somewhat proportional, this would make her pretty freaking strong. I can't say exactly, but it has to be up there. (I know there was a jumper vs. weightlifter comparison, but for something to be that far above noraml strength levels, logic says the rest of her would be pretty close to that many times stronger than normal as well)
And it's really funny how game MC is so depowered compared to the "real" Master Chief... When, going just by games, Samus beats the living crap out of him. Just something to think about.
The reason I chose MC, was down to his brain, The speed at which he thinks and his high IQ would be his best advantage. True if they stood toe to toe and fired SA would win. However in a fight MC tactical training superior brain, would out think SA. The game doesn't show his reaction times, or his tactical know how. so yes if you had a normal human using his suit against SA, SA would win. Master chief is much more then normal, and those abilities give him the win.
"Strength, however, was worked out logically. Samus jumps higher than MC. Seeing how strength in the body is somewhat proportional, this would make her pretty freaking strong."
Her jumping abilities come from jump boots, and her suit making her leap. Though no power-up is given for strength. I would be silly to think they didn't improve her strength, But its not were near MC's strength. Alot of his strength comes from him as well. Its not just his suit making him strong. SA has no physical attacks in any Metroid game. The only time she uses supposed strength is in SSBM, seeing as she is just as strong as Mario in that game, shes probably not all that...
Once again, everyone in SSB is pretty much the same strength, including those that should be stronger than either. And magic swords and lightsabers are both weaker than a baseball bat. And you can't forget the godliness of Jigglypuff... The point of the game is to balance all the characters, not portray them how they should be.
To each his own in opinions, I guess... Samus has much more firepower and can take many more hits at one time. That's my justification at least...