Thing vs. Wolverine

yeah wolverine's gonna dice the thing too. I don't understand why people think that wolvie can get taken out by mere super strength so easily, Like Havoc470 said, his first appearance had him fighting the hulk and we all know how strong he is. Hell, wolverine's even bested the hulk on a couple of occasions. beyond that, in the wolverine comics he went fisticuffs (sp?) with a guy who could punch a car into obliteration (roughouse) and won without even poopin his claws. Could thing beat wolvie? abso-freakin-lutly but I just don't see him winning this one.
oh by the way an enraged thing maybe bad, but an enraged wolverine is the personification of death itself (not something to be taken lightly).

Originally posted by leonheartmm
man seriously, i cant believe you people, wolverine is good, very good, sees almost too good, but this just really isnt a fight, thing is way too damn strong man, and although comic book writers can do wonders to even the weakest characters, the fact still remains that even if wolverine does have an adamantiuma skeleton, hed still be knocked out for a long long time if the thing managed to even give him a slight blow, remember that the thing has gone up against an infuriated hulk too. and for all we know, wolvie is not superhuman, other than his senses.

Dude, wolverine has fought against deadlier and far more threatning foes than the thing. Wolverine has taken on Juggernaut many times. Yeah you might say, well him and the x-men. In the woverine comics, Wolverine has dueled against Juggernaut alone, and was enough to make Juggernaut just give up from annoyance. wolverine put the wendigo into submission. If brute strength was enough to take Wolverine down, then Wolverine would die in almost everyone of his appearances in comic books. I mean if you think Thing is more deadly foe than Omega red, WEndigo, Silver samuri, Juggernaut,Cyber, and lady deathstrike, then you should read some more comics. The thing is nothing more than brute strength.and like jin said, an enraged Wolverine is nearly unstoppable. Nothign can and has ever withstood a beserker barrage, aside from apocalypse, but he is a turd from the gods. The beserker barrage has taken Juggernauts helmet off. That is how powerfull, wolverine can be.

AS I WAS SAYING, the comic book writers can do the most ridiculous things, dude do u really think wolverine would stand a chane against juggernaut and hulk, HULK! for heavens sake, man i know that its happenes in the comics but there is no real way that wolvie could have beaten hulk or juggernaut, in reality. wel the others like cyber, deathstrike and omega read werent ridiculously powerful, they were super human, but wolvie both outwitted, and outsmarted them, also his superior martial arts skill were also the reason.
another thing you should know is that wolverine is a hero, a good guy, and thats why he HAS ro win in comics aginst much powerfull foes and thats why he does win, otherwise no one would read comics if the good guy loses.

hey i forgot to mention magneto, who he has beaten a few times, do you really think that wolverine CAN beat the master of magnetism.

he killed magneto in men #150.......but wierd enough the magneto in that issue was an imposter although he still had magnetic powers and killed jean grey (again)

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
In the woverine comics, Wolverine has dueled against Juggernaut alone, and was enough to make Juggernaut just give up from annoyance.

Unless there were multiple instances of this case, Wolverine only threatened Juggernaut for he was trying to protect a drunk and subdued Cannonball. Juggernaut backed out because his mind was not on fighting but on the subject of Onslaught that took him down earlier.

wolverine put the wendigo into submission.

Wolverine took down Wendigo by himself only temporary once to my knowledge. He let his guard down when escorting a civilian and Wendigo attacked again. It was Snowbird that defeated Wendigo in the finale.

I can see either combatant taking this fight with the right circumstances.

well i lean more towards wolverine, not because he's one of my favorite characters but because he's bound to slash thing a few times, and thing has nothing to defend against that, but im not saying its impossible for thing to win as he is powerful and wolverine would have to watch out, but wolverines history has shown that he's fought enemies like the thing (maybe even stronger) and held his own against them which could be said about thing also, but wolverine isnt a super-strength type of character

Originally posted by leonheartmm
hey i forgot to mention magneto, who he has beaten a few times, do you really think that wolverine CAN beat the master of magnetism.

When it comes to cross over comics, i dont think they hold much validity on the characters abilities being properly balanced. However, when a hypothetical question is being raised, like can Wolverine beat the thing The only thing any one has to go on is writers material. Asuperhero or villian is only as remarkable as the writers make them out to be.

Some of Wolverines most believable bouts came against Magneto. Wolverine never really beat the shit out of Magnus, save one instance. He has taken the advantage over magneto a few times, which created an interest for magneto over wolverine. The only time that Wolverine beat the hell out of magneto to near death, Magneto ripped Wolvy's adamantium from his body.

Spiderman's beaten Firelord, Juggernaut, others like Hulk. Seriously, do you think Spidey can beat these guys? The reason behind this is 'cause Spiderman's one of Marvel's most popular guys. Wolverine is just the same. He's popular. His popularity is why Marvel writes him off as being able to fight guys like Wendigo, Juggernaut, Hulk, or Thing.

You really think Wolverine could survive a punch from a class 85 or 100? Thing ain't slow, nor is Wolverine that fast. Hulk's punches (CLASS 100) never cracked Thing's body, and you think Wolverine (below CLASS 1) is going to deliver enough force to piece Thing's hide - PLEASE! Thing would knock him out cold like any other Class 85 - 100 levelers.

ummmmmmmm oh boy, again "the only reason why this guy can beat that guy is cause of his popularity" excuse,,,,,,,,man, if spiderman wasn't a popular character he'd have bitten the dust awhile ago too. It doesn't change the fact that he still HAS beaten the ever lovin crap out of just about every person he comes across, don't bring up that excuse like it means anything cause the fact is that wolverine HAS diced the thing too, like it or not, it's what happened and it could happen again so just accept it. oh and obviously in reality Wolverine couldn't take a punch from thing or hulk, but that's why it's a comic book, in reality banner would have melted in radiation, and ben would have probably died in space, in the comic books though wolverine takes those punches and then some,,,and still gets up. nuff said. oh and wolverine is THAT fast, he's nearly on par with spiderman in speed, and in his first appearance he was bounding circles around hulk so that argument really doesn't have any validity. sorry I don't mean to sound like a jerk but you should really take the history of these characters into account before you start making accusations like that.

Originally posted by Beyonder
You really think Wolverine could survive a punch from a class 85 or 100? Thing ain't slow, nor is Wolverine that fast. Hulk's punches (CLASS 100) never cracked Thing's body, and you think Wolverine (below CLASS 1) is going to deliver enough force to piece Thing's hide - PLEASE! Thing would knock him out cold like any other Class 85 - 100 levelers.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Spiderman's beaten Firelord, Juggernaut, others like Hulk. Seriously, do you think Spidey can beat these guys? The reason behind this is 'cause Spiderman's one of Marvel's most popular guys. Wolverine is just the same. He's popular. His popularity is why Marvel writes him off as being able to fight guys like Wendigo, Juggernaut, Hulk, or Thing.

You really think Wolverine could survive a punch from a class 85 or 100? Thing ain't slow, nor is Wolverine that fast. Hulk's punches (CLASS 100) never cracked Thing's body, and you think Wolverine (below CLASS 1) is going to deliver enough force to piece Thing's hide - PLEASE! Thing would knock him out cold like any other Class 85 - 100 levelers.

Wolverine DID pierce Thing, that's not even open for discussion. As for who would win the fight, it could go either way. Both could walk away with a victory, but I want to see some pics of 'Wolverine besting Hulk' because even in the beginning Wolverine could cut Hulk's skin but all it did was cause him pain. He smashed Wolvie's skull and nearly killed him. Wolverine in no way is Hulk level. Yeah he can cut him like he can cut Thing, but Hulk has an even faster healing factor than Wolverine.

wolvie has never bested hulk, thats my point, he's slashed hulk but hulks healing factor just causes him to become even more furious, but thing has no healing factor (at least no one told me that he actually does, and i have asked) and getting a few slashes from wolverine would eventually slow thing down, and theres no doubt that wolvie is gonna at least get a few slashes in

of course im not trying to say thing is a weak character, this could really go either way.....its a concept battle to me

Ok...this is a good thread...first off, I would jus like to say a lot of people have said some really good points...as most everyone who is familiar with me knows, Thing is my fav character...wolverine is about #4 these days. But now, Im going to make my argument for Thing.

-someone said Wolverine has fought more powerful characters...then went on to mention Juggernaut.
-Thing is a member of the Fantastic Four...to um...go to the more powerful opponent argument one has to be on crack...
-with the FF Thing has fought Terminus, Galactus, Celestials, Abraxis, The Beyonder, and countless others...the only notable power the X-men have faced is Dark Phoenix...
On his own, Wolvie has fought Hulk...Wendigo..hmm not many other real powerful types, and no cosmic types.
without the FF, Thing has fought: Hulk, Jugs, Thing(from other times/dimensions/clones), Champion of the Universe(one of the Elders of the universe), Sasquatch, Terrax, Occulus(Surpasses the Silver Surfer in power), The Beyonder(yes they have fought one on one), Doctor Doom, The Destroyer, Namor, Thanos, Thor, Blastaar, Wrecker, Rhino, Ronin ther Accusor, Klaw, Wonder Man, The Obliterator, Black Bolt, and well you get the point...he lost some of those fights, but considering all those guys are more powerful than him in every way, it shows Thing will take on anyone. Thing afraid of Wolverine? Wolverine is afraid of Thing, they had an encounter after wolvie scarred him remember?

from looking at their previous encounters, Wolvie's superior fighting abilities are not a deciding factor, Thing has always been able to connect with relative ease...when wolverine attacked invisible woman, Thing grabbed his little ass and slammed him into the floor...not many guys can do this with Wolvie IMO...Then after getting slashed, Thing knocked Wolvie through a building...In FF vs X-men, Thing knocked Logan out with one casual blow, showing he would be very vulnerable to a full blown punch by Thing....Wolverine may get some slashes in but they wont go right through his skin like the Hulk's...only Wolverine's most ferocious attack is gonna cut Thing...but then he's gonna get KO'd real fast.

Concerning Thing's healing, his anatomy and healing is not like a normal human's...when Wolverine slashed him he said "I can feel myself oozing out beneath this helmet...meaning he does bleed but his blood isnt like a humans...although it hurt him, he didnt let it stop him for the fight with a Watcher powered Doctor Doom...He also bled in his fight against the Champion of the universe...I have also seen a mind controlled Invisible Woman shove invisible daggers into Things body...although he went down for a moment, he got back to hius feet and used a thunderclap to knock sense back into IW and extinguish the Human Torch's flame.

Or, Wolverine could stab Thing, threw the eyes.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Spiderman's beaten Firelord, Juggernaut, others like Hulk. Seriously, do you think Spidey can beat these guys? The reason behind this is 'cause Spiderman's one of Marvel's most popular guys. Wolverine is just the same. He's popular. His popularity is why Marvel writes him off as being able to fight guys like Wendigo, Juggernaut, Hulk, or Thing.

You really think Wolverine could survive a punch from a class 85 or 100? Thing ain't slow, nor is Wolverine that fast. Hulk's punches (CLASS 100) never cracked Thing's body, and you think Wolverine (below CLASS 1) is going to deliver enough force to piece Thing's hide - PLEASE! Thing would knock him out cold like any other Class 85 - 100 levelers.

You are bitching about using previous VS matches in weighing this argument, but you will use class levels, which are created by people who dont even take hand in the story board writing of the comics? Those damn encylopedia stats are bullshit, how can the potential of a character be captured by a number? %90 of all superhero's are always greatly overwhelmed by their enemies, but always manage to come out on top. Comics have shown us that skill and ability is nothing if not used right. You seriously dont beleive that a consistant thrashing of Wolverines adamantium claws couldnt peirce The Things body? On EArth, their is only one thing that Wolverines Adamanitum claws cannot peirce, and that is Adamantium. If you are talking about bone claw Wolverine, then of course Wolvy will get rocked, but then again where is the fun in that.

I am sure that after a few blows from the thing, Wolverine would fall, but yeah, Wolverine could take a fist full of Thing. Wolverine isnt that fast, but he is agile, Thing isnt to slow, but has NO agility. The Thing's fist's are like a gun, They have to cock before they fire, and they have to reload after firing. Wolverine is like an Automatic gun that is weaker, but faster. I truly believe that Wolverine could dodge Thing's attacks with no problem. Dodging long enough would result in a victory, but getting cought just a few time, results in a loss.

ok wolverine gunna win there no dought thing give him a fight but wolverine has never done a killing attack vs thing and the one time he slipped up and fell to far in to a rage he almost cut things face in haft. If they fight to the death wolverine wins. if there just fighting just to fight thing has a better chance but wolverine still wins every fight those to have ever had ened up wolverine winning or soem one broke it up

also wolverien has taken full blown punches from hulk with out his metal in him and got back up the thing who is deffently weaker then the hulk can't nock wolverien out with one blow. also wolverine is in no way afriad of thing he felt bad after almost killing the thing and wanted to say sorry. I own the comic and in no way does wolverine fear for him self actauly quite the opposite and wolverien fear to do even mroe damage to the ting

Originally posted by Wynndar
-with the FF Thing has fought Terminus, Galactus, Celestials, Abraxis, The Beyonder, and countless others...the only notable power the X-men have faced is Dark Phoenix...

when wolverine attacked invisible woman, Thing grabbed his little ass and slammed him into the floor...not many guys can do this with Wolvie IMO...

Then after getting slashed, Thing knocked Wolvie through a building...

In FF vs X-men, Thing knocked Logan out with one casual blow, showing he would be very vulnerable to a full blown punch by Thing

also wolverine beat the whole ff bye him self befor