it was in wolverine vs the fantastic four he went straight for mr fantestic because wolverien he got kity killed and the other ff tried to stop him and each one go there asses kicked. actauly there two comic of it one tryign to fix what happen so that fight doesent happen and telling waht happen if they did'nt stop kitty from dieing
Originally posted by who?-kid
Wow, and how about Magneto ? Or Apocalypse ? Or Mr. Sinister ? Or Juggernaut ? Or Proteus ? Or Onslaught (yes I know FF had their butts also kicked by him, but I consider him an X-Men enemy).
Are you seriously comparing guys like Mr. Sinister to Abraxis?...do u know who Abraxis is, he killed a thousand Galactuses across the multiverse...and you're comparing him to a guy who cant keep up with cyclops? Onslaught is very powerful, but in terms of sheer power and intellect he is nothing compared to a Celestial.
...Wolverine never soloed the 4 that I know of. In the issues that wolverine8888 is talking about, Wolverine dropped Torch with an elbow and then tussled with Mr. Fantastic while She-Hulk tried to hold him back, Sue was looking after Franklin and Thing was down from Rouge draining him... that is assuming wolverine8888 was talking about the same 4 issue mini I am.
Lol, in no way can Wolverine take on the entire FF. Sue alone can kill him with barely more than a yawn. Granted Wolvie has a killer instinct and Sue doesn't, but in terms of ability, Wolverine can't do a damn thing to her. He may have dropped Torch with an elbow, but Johnny isn't a particularly good fighter. His abilility lies in his flaming powers, and if he was flamed-on, he's going to come out the better in that fight. Of course Wolverine isn't afraid of Thing, Wolverine isn't afraid of ANYONE. That doesn't mean he's going to beat Thing. He can injure him severely, but Thing can do the same. And I don't care if Wolverine got up from Hulk's blows in one comic because he's been knocked out with one punch in others. It depends on the writers, but Hulk is most definitely capable of knocking Wolvie unconscious, as is Thing.
Wolverine possess strenght near that of Captain America, so enhanced human strenght.It's too much sufficient to stab his Adamantium claws through Benji's rock skin, but, only a critical strike can make the Thing going KO, a hit like that on Benji's face, will result as Wolverine's end.
Actually the Thing is on class 85/90 strenght, a full strenght punch on Wolverine's body will make him going ko, and if Benji goes mad, will cause Wolvie serious troubles.The Thing cannot bend adamantium, and his under Hulk's level of Strenght, but it's different piercing the Hulk's high resistent skin, and the Thing ROCK high resistent skin, anyway, if Logan doesn't stab a one shot hit, bye bye.Also remember that the last HULK VS WOLVERINE, when Wolvie was an Apocalypse knight, he was enhanced by Apocalypse, and also he was stuck on hulk's chest waving his hands and cutting anything in melee range.
About Colossus resistance VS Thing resistance, Colossus is living metal, doesn't need to breath or eat, Benji does(and he can recover fast than a normal human but he's not in Wolvie's healing abilities league), and his rock skin has survived several injurie like Mjolnir's blows, or a punch from Terrax that perform a Super Strength Haymaker and drove poor Ben through the floor. And through the next floor. And through the floor after that. And the one after that, too. All the way down into the basement, 40-something stories below.Anyway Then Terrax's attention was diverted by the great orange fist of stone directed at his face from Ben that sent Terrax on an unscheduled flight uptown, knocking him through the wall of the skyscraper, across the street, through the wall of the next building, out the other side, across the next street, into another building, and across another street.IT WAS CLOBBERIN TIME.
Ehm back in topic, from marvel directory Ben is class 85 and Colossus class 75, but some of you sayed that he's in the Thing class so it's a draw for me.
It was Clobberin' Time.
If Thing hit Wolverine like he hit Terrax in FF #242...it would probably kill him...Wolverine was knocked out when Thing casually tapped him on the head in FF vs X-men (even if wolvie's reflexes were slow, that has nothing to do with his resistance to concusion), I dont know how long it took him to recover when Thing backhanded him for slashing his face...Thing pulls his punches when he fights anyone, no matter how strong they r...he doesnt go all out when he fights the Hulk or Colossus and they r more durable than him...but when it comes to Skrulls or cosmic guys like Terrax he goes all out...just like that scene in #242 proved...Terrax is a herald with as much strength as he needs, he weighs over 2000lbs too...imagine how many more skyscrapers wolverine would go through since he is only a tenth of Terrax's weight.
i cant wait to see how wolvie deals with the ff in enemy of the state
imo wolvie wins this one, i came in saying thing would win, but the chances of thing getting slashed a few times by wolvie are extremely high, the chances of ben hitting wolverine are moderate but not too likely, wolvie's dealt with faster and stronger (stronger than himself not the thing) enemies and survived with barely a scratch, if we're talking about kick a$$ "i live up to my history" wolverine then i think wolvie takes it all the way
if we're talking about the hot-headed and slow wolvie in certain comics, then thing takes it in a few seconds
he pulls his punches against everyone....its his nature, he doesnt want to kill...one time he thought he seriously wounded or killed the Hulk and he desparately tried to rescue him from beneath a city block of ruble...Hulk ended up busting out and continued to trash the Thing...when a skrull was disguised as Colossus, Thing held back and still kicked his @ss. When he found out it was a skrull he admitted he could finally cut loose. Reed Richards has said that if Thing let his anger and strength get out of hand, he could lose control like the Hulk...his powers r potentially just as destructive, as demonstrated in FF vol 3 #57-59.
Originally posted by Wynndar
If Thing hit Wolverine like he hit Terrax in FF #242...it would probably kill him...
That's what always bothers me when they continue to reinvent a character. I think it was the midget of the Shiar entourage, I think his name was Jahf that sucker punched and launched Wolverine at a huge distance, yet he survived.
Originally posted by wolverine8888
also wolverien has taken full blown punches from hulk with out his metal in him and got back up the thing who is deffently weaker then the hulk can't nock wolverien out with one blow. also wolverine is in no way afriad of thing he felt bad after almost killing the thing and wanted to say sorry. I own the comic and in no way does wolverine fear for him self actauly quite the opposite and wolverien fear to do even mroe damage to the ting
That is craptastic writing if without adamantium Wolverine got hit full force by the Hulk and didn't die. He should have been crushed literally. And yes Hulk could knock Wolverine out with one hit, especially if hes punching as hard as he can.
Originally posted by Wynndar
If Thing hit Wolverine like he hit Terrax in FF #242...it would probably kill him...Wolverine was knocked out when Thing casually tapped him on the head in FF vs X-men (even if wolvie's reflexes were slow, that has nothing to do with his resistance to concusion), I dont know how long it took him to recover when Thing backhanded him for slashing his face...Thing pulls his punches when he fights anyone, no matter how strong they r...he doesnt go all out when he fights the Hulk or Colossus and they r more durable than him...but when it comes to Skrulls or cosmic guys like Terrax he goes all out...just like that scene in #242 proved...Terrax is a herald with as much strength as he needs, he weighs over 2000lbs too...imagine how many more skyscrapers wolverine would go through since he is only a tenth of Terrax's weight.
Wolvies skeleton alone weighs more than 200 pounds.
wolverine's skelaton is 100lbs....thats why he weighs a total of 300...Terrax weighs 2,750lbs...Terrax weighs 9.16 times as much as Wolverine...nearly ten times as much...wolverine's body is dense enough to go through a building...thus, he would probably fly something like nine times as far as Terrax did.
but wolvies weight would only show how he's adapted to the adamantium weight, so he's got enough speed to dodge thing from a full on attack, which he's definitely done agianst hulk
but if both characters are going all out i still think wolvie is gonna do some real big damage to thing, with his slashes causing thing to slow down and his speed being enough to maneuver around thing, but i would never consider these two going all out on eachother
Originally posted by Havoc470
but if both characters are going all out i still think wolvie is gonna do some real big damage to thing, with his slashes causing thing to slow down and his speed being enough to maneuver around thing
wolverine is not that fast, nor is thing that slow. yes wolvi is fast enuf to dodge around thing and get a few slashes in, but because he is dodging at the same time he's slashing, his slashes would have little power in them because he wouldn't have the time to make an appropriate and critical hit. wolvi would have to withdraw his attacks before his claws bury deeply else risk the chance that thing clocks him in the head with a good punch. all wolvi's "fast" attacks would only scratch the thing and annoy him. if logan decided to make a serious stab or slash, then he wouldn't be fast enuf to dodge the thing and he would get his ass clobbered.