yea...its physics...a ball going 90 had to start going 90 at some point...it didnt leave the pitchers hand going 30 and then accelerate...the pitcher's hand and the ball were both going 90 at some point...after the ball leaves the pitcher's hand it is only decelerating...no more kinetic energy gets put into the ball...make sense?
Thing's speed in that regard is due to his strength though. A normal human being is not capable of sending something into orbit, Thing does it not because he is fast, but because he is strong. Spider-Man isn't capable of sending something into orbit. Thing is faster than some give him credit for, he's certainly no Rhino, but he does not have the speed of movement like Wolverine has. I think that's what people are arguing.
very true, but hulks never done it to wolvie and anyway, that would mean thing would need space between him and wolvie, which wolvie wont let happen
speed doesnt essentially deal with throwing a ball, the precision timing and strength of swinging your shoulder in such a way to bring your arm into that speed would suggest that it essentially deals with precision, super-strength would definitely have a part to play in thing chucking something into space as a baseball player works out the muscles in his shoulder to swing a bat or throw a ball
Originally posted by Havoc470
very true, but hulks never done it to wolvie and anyway, that would mean thing would need space between him and wolvie, which wolvie wont let happenspeed doesnt essentially deal with throwing a ball, the precision timing and strength of swinging your shoulder in such a way to bring your arm into that speed would suggest that it essentially deals with precision, super-strength would definitely have a part to play in thing chucking something into space as a baseball player works out the muscles in his shoulder to swing a bat or throw a ball
speed is essential in throwing a ball...it is the precision and technique that allows the pitcher to reach those speeds...like i said, its physiccs and its a fact...not up for argument...In order for a pitcher to throw a 90mph fast ball they have to gets their hand moving that fast at somepoint because once the ball leaves their hand there is no more kinetic energy going into the ball...once the ball leaves his fingers it is decelerating.
but to swing your arm at 90 mph means to have the precision and muscles to do it, i cant swing a ball at 90 mph but i can with enough precision and strength, if without precision then nothing would happen so it does have an important part to play, physics doesnt have shit to do with thing a comic book character throwing something into space, and throwing things into space doesnt prove anything, wolverine takes this one imo
Wynndar is right about the pitcher argument, but that doesn't make Thing fast. His strength allows him to move his arm at that speed, but his body is something different. Mind you I'm not saying Thing is slow, but he isn't as fast as Wolverine or Spider-Man in a fight because that's how their bodies are, they are capable of swift movement; yet neither one is capable of throwing something into space.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'd say it's best not to bring physics into a comic argument though. Logically Wolverine shouldn't be able to regenerate is muscle and flesh from nothing but it never stops him.
Actually he does...unlike the Hulk who gets his mass and energy from a pocket dimension, Wolverine regenerates from the protien he eats...If he is malnurished then his healing factor quites...One time he was stranded in the desert and almost died...he tricked the vultures into thinking he was dead, then when they started to peck at him he grabbed them and ate them...how can we say simple mechanical physics dont apply to a comic book?...science is a central element to Marvel comics...concepts like genetics are essential in the explanation of most Marvel heroes. If they go off into such great detail about the electromagnetism involved in Magneto's powers, then how can we not hold them accountable for something as easy to grasp as the physics of throwing a ball?
Originally posted by Havoc470
but to swing your arm at 90 mph means to have the precision and muscles to do it, i cant swing a ball at 90 mph but i can with enough precision and strength, if without precision then nothing would happen so it does have an important part to play, physics doesnt have shit to do with thing a comic book character throwing something into space, and throwing things into space doesnt prove anything, wolverine takes this one imo
no...throwing a ball at 90 mph is not dependent on precision or muscle...its physics...If a person gets their hand moving at 90mph in an unprecise and unelegant way, they can still throw a ball at 90mph, but not with any accuracy. A better example involving even less precision or muscle would to tie a string to a ball and swing it in a huge circle...eventually it would get going at 90mph and all the person would have to do is let go of the string and then the ball would fly in a vecter tangent to that circular movement at that moment...considering how much people argued about the electromagnetic spectrum when talking about Magneto, i dont see why this is so hard to understand.
this is just making me stray from my opinion, i think wolvie would win against thing seeing as thing has no healing factor and wolverines stabs and slashes would slow him down, although thing does have good maneuverability i dont think its as good as wolverines seeing as he's fought larger quantities of enemies, dodged all their attacks, and still slashed them all to bits
Originally posted by Wynndar
Wolverine regenerates from the protien he eats...If he is malnurished then his healing factor quites...One time he was stranded in the desert and almost died...
That I did not know. I shall use it forthwith to crush Kramer's and wolverine88888888888888888888's 'Wolverine is undefeatable' arguments, lol.