All i was saying is that they are proving what i've heard about the British being too arrogant to look at the comments they make about others and see the general wrongness of it.
They both act as if their opinions are always correct, even when they have been proven wrong. That's just sad that these two claim to be such champions of worldly ethics...only to look down on other people as they do
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Hey now, Ush is a Brit, i dont think he'll like you saying that.
The comments Ush makes prove quite the contrary to what is said about Brits in America.
Don't ever classify yourself or your comments with his....He actually thinks things through before he hits the send button
I can’t speak for Mr. Zero, but I’m, pretty sure that he – like I am – is aware that half the American population at least are NOT lowbrow macho gung-ho brainless flag waving idiotic americans.
Originally posted by Mr Zero
Lb - you will never make the few lowbrow macho gung-ho brainless flag waving idiotic americans we have been wasting our time with here understand that. Its not what the media tells them, so it cant be true.
yeah, just any americans who would DARE disagree that they deserve to die for the actions of their government. still havent met one though
Link> ” What they say about Brits over here in the states is only being proven true by every comment these two make.”
A question: You don’t want anyone to generalise Americans. That’s perfectly understandable. There are millions of people living in the US, how could they all be the same?
How come you’re generalising people from the UK?
PVS> Look...
"Lb - you will never make the few lowbrow macho gung-ho brainless flag waving idiotic americans we have been wasting our time with here understand that. Its not what the media tells them, so it cant be true."
Notice the "THE FEW"...
Originally posted by The Omega
Ush> Well, isn’t war “the lawful use of force or violence by an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons”?I know that police use “lawful” force, or can threaten to use force.
It’s just the division between lawful and unlawful that struck my eye.
That's one definition of war but that's simply twisting the inherent meaning of the original statement, which is that terrorists use
a. unlawful violence
and use it in
b. a bad cause
So the implication of that is that lawful violence would be for good cause... you did kinda jump straight to 'lawful for bad' which is muddling it by altering only one half of a two-sided statement.
Originally posted by The Omega
"Lb - you will never make the few lowbrow macho gung-ho brainless flag waving idiotic americans we have been wasting our time with here understand that. Its not what the media tells them, so it cant be true."Notice the "THE FEW"...
you need to notice the "we have been wasting our time with here"
its a direct insult
Originally posted by The Omega
Link> ” What they say about Brits over here in the states is only being proven true by every comment these two make.”A question: You don’t want anyone to generalise Americans. That’s perfectly understandable. There are millions of people living in the US, how could they all be the same?
How come you’re generalising people from the UK?
I don't think that they are the same, and I don't know where I make any comment to suggest something such as that, but I'm sure you'll have a response that will better help me understand why you asked this question.
What i heard about Brits......is a generalization, but not one that I originally created. I was told this, and did not believe any of it....up until i met Zero and Lil.
I should have made it clearer that I don't mean ALL Brits are as the stereotype claims....and that I only believe Lil B and Zero are guilty of such stereotypes.
Ush> Yes, I know it’s twisting the inherent meaning somewhat.
But my main point is probably: Who decides when violence is unlawful, and when the cause is “bad”?
Take non-nazis in Germany during WW II who fought against the Hitler-regime as an example. Would their use of “force” be unlawful, and their cause bad?
PVS> But I'm sure you're not a lowbrow macho gung-ho brainless flag waving idiotic american, so why feel insulted?
Originally posted by The OmegaWindDancer> When you start to toss in an argument, that terrorists go after ”Democratic-Capitalist” nations, that does indeed sound ”Bushy” to me.
Why do you all of a sudden think that I THINK Europe won’t be a target for terrorism? Have you ever heard about what’s going on in Northern Ireland and Northern Spain? Europe has known terrorism for decades – Rote Arme Fraction mean anything to you?The ”Bush”-thing is trying to equal terrorists attacks with ”attacks on freedom, cause we luv freedom and ”they” hate freedom.” This monopolising on freedom makes me SICK to my stomach.
So because someone says something like "Terrorist attack Democratic-Capitalist natins" you automatically think is a "Bushy"? So does that mean that when a democrat who voted agaisn't Bush says something like that he/she therefore supports the so-called "Bushy"? Plain Nonsense!
Because they DO attack nations that are democratic. So since Europe has been attacked severely in the past that prolly means they haver KNOWLEDGE of how Terrorist groups act. Seriously if it sickens you to your stomach then stop listening to Bush. But I guess is gonna be hard for you for the next 4 years. Really, not everyone sucks ups what Bush says. There are things some of us agree with Bush, and there are thing we DON'T agree with Bush. Are we getting clear as water here?
Link> “I don't think that they are the same, and I don't know where I make any comment to suggest something such as that, but I'm sure you'll have a response that will better help me understand why you asked this question.”
I do. You see I’m worried. During the last couple of years it’s seems every time someone (be the Americans or otherwise) criticise the Bush-administration, they immediately gets accused of being Anti-American. Even if the criticism is valid.
This makes a gap between Europeans and Americans which I don’t see as being in any way helpful to either group of people. Because it just starts us all down a road, where Europeans accuse ALL Americans of being “lowbrow hung-ho flag-waving fanatics”, and Americans accuse all Europeans of being “Anti-Americans”.
Then all beneficial communication and discussion will stop, because you will assume I “hate” ALL Americans, and I’ll assume you think I just randomly attack you, when I criticise what the Bush-administration does.
Better?
Windancer> You said: “Let's make it clear that a terrorist attacks anything that has to do with Democratic-Capitalist nations.”
This is wrong. Terrorists also attacks nations that are NOT Democratic-Capitalist or ”has to do” with them.
I say the above statement is ”Bushy”, because it’s like saying terrorists specifically go after Democracies and/or Capitalism, meaning they go after ONLY such nations as calls themselves that regardless of other factors.
That’s nonsense. Terrorists do NOT attack nations solely for them being Democratic and Capitalist.
What is it the IRA is after? Not un-democratizing the UK, that’s for sure.
What do the Bask-seperatists want? Un-democratizing of Spain?
Much better.
But Europeans on this site rarely point the finger at the Bush administration. What they do is just point it at "America" or "Americans" in general.
Now, perhaps their intentions are different, but their choice of wording turns it from a criticism of an administration into a verbal insult to Americans in general.
Originally posted by The Omega
Windancer> You said: “Let's make it clear that a terrorist attacks anything that has to do with Democratic-Capitalist nations.”
This is wrong. Terrorists also attacks nations that are NOT Democratic-Capitalist or ”has to do” with them.
Yes I did say that. But that wasn't to be taken as if Terrorist ONLY attack Democratic-Capitalist nations. Of course Terrorist have different Agendas and it don't matter what ideology an enemy country possess. A terrorist will attack it regardless. My comment SHOULD have NOT been taken as a defense for Bush policies. You clearly jump on that when I made that comment.
You're right Wind. That comment was poorly thought out and deserves a lot of ridicule. I shouldn't have made that comment.
Omega> I agree with what you're saying about the Anti-American stance people have been taking, but of course we both know that not everyone is like that.
Have you also noticed that if anyone (European or American) argues against a criticism of the American government because they feel that it is not true....that person gets labeled a Bush follower. Or as you put it...."Bushy"
Just because some people don't agree with another person's criticism of the American government...doesn't mean they support Bush. Or "just listen to what the media tells them"