perhaps the troop who shot the wounded fighter should have exercised more caution.
but on the other hand, thats easier said than done.
if you were in a war for the past year, seeing your friends wounded and killed by enemy soldiers either playing dead, or rigged with explosives, you may not be so calm and rational as when you view the video at home sitting on the lazy boy.
horrible shit happens in warfare. the days of opposing sides wearing different color uniforms and meeting at the center of a battlefield are looooong gone. sometimes unarmed wounded enemy soldiers are shot by mistake. sometimes our OWN troops are shot by mistake in friendly fire.
i strongly oppose the policy of indiscriminately bombing a whole city and killing tens of thousands of innocents, but on level of urban warfare, this shit just happens. its tragic, but it happens. and no level of training and discipline will prevent it.
well, nobody is in a position to condone accidents.
example: how can you condone or not condone friendly fire? its accidental, so approval or disapproval are not options.
that prison abuse scandal is another issue entirely, dont get me wrong.
other isolated incidents of murder, harassment and things of this nature are
also a different issue.
why the poster lumped all these issues together is beyond me. the incident where the unarmed soldier was shot in the mosque and the prison abuse scandal are apple and orange. its just a blanket statement trying to paint those in the military as assh0les.
Its easy to be thousands of miles away in safe conditions condeming actions of soldiers who are in the midst of where the shit really hits the fan. War is cruel and unessesariy use of deadly violance will always be there. Only thing now we are invited to witness some of it trough the media. Of course it was uncalled for by the action of the US soldier who shot the injured and unarmed Iraqi soldier/rebel. It is even more incomprehensible to do such a deed in front of a camera. But thats war for ya, this is some of what war is all about
Re: Are American troops undisciplined thugs dressed as soldiers?
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Well I think they are. If you seen what happened recently an American soldier gunned down an injured and unarmed Iraqi in front of his colleagues. Not any of them showed any remorse about it, no effort to stop or reprimand the soldier. Then you have the damning prison photos where the Americans humiliated the Iraqi POWs in a series of incidents which I need not describe. Then you have the frighteningly overzealous attitude towards this war, where you have audio on news reports of events where the Americans are whooping in delight at blowing up the Iraqis and generally acting as if they are having a good time.
They are uncivilised trigger-happy morons who aren't mentally fit to hold weapons, I saw one one of them kiss his gun - how much does that tell you that he's enjoying it too much.
Not ALL are. Some are indeed, and some troops more than others. for example - In second world war Russian soldiers were out of control with the drinking and raping, while German soldiers, even though they were enemy were trained extreamly well not to do any of those things.
Your question is just like any other generalisation - not ALL of them are undisciplined thugs - some YES.
Actually Lil, German soldiers were under instructions to reproduce with women from the places they conquered(do you really think the SS etc would have had so many members without this instruction 😉.) Thus multiplying and producing more of that lovely Aryan race Hitler had in mind. If the women did not sleep with the men consentially (sp) They were practically Raped.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
I know this war shouldn't be played as "an eye for an eye"but hey, they've been beheading innocent civilian aid workers and contractors. Taste of their own medicine much?
that Iraqi hadnt done it.
But by your logic if sombody in the country did it, they all pay?
Ok, and eye for an eye, lets all go to war with America for practically no reason 😊
Originally posted by Darth Sauron
Actually Lil, German soldiers were under instructions to reproduce with women from the places they conquered(do you really think the SS etc would have had so many members without this instruction 😉.) Thus multiplying and producing more of that lovely Aryan race Hitler had in mind. If the women did not sleep with the men consentially (sp) They were practically Raped.
Erm no. Who told you that? Women in Germany were instructed to have more children and thus having - pure German children. Why do you think Hitler got rid of so many Gypsies?!
Germans were invading other countries and while they were doing so they were extremely disciplined soldiers. SS has nothing to do with this, neither does SA.
WTF?
Where the hell did you hear that?! Please tell me which source told you that German soldiers were ''instructed to reproduce''
Yeah, damn Hitler - the WWII had all to do with sex - thats why Hitler invaded all those countries - because he wanted his solderis to reporoduce. Its all about sex - the world war II according to Sauron was about sex.
Thats not what im saying, please refrain from putting words in my mouth or distorting what im saying.
ww2 began for a number of reasons. Sex had nothing to do with it, are you insane? It began basically when hitler decided he wanted more living space for his lovely angry people 🙂
ww2 shouldnt have even begun, hitler broke MANY of the points of the Treaty Of Versailles.
Sending troops into the rhineland
Re-arming
re-joining with austria
Brave little fellow wasnt he?
Of course once he had control of a few places, he decided making some nice aryan babies would be good.
I can understand where your coming from thinking this is nonsense, i argued the point aswell saying that 'Letting your soldiers sleep with women in the middle of a war isnt a bright idea' and refused to believe it. But believe me, its true, after being shown several different resources all of which stated it was true, i believed it.
You should to, otherwise im going to have to go get some damn textbook or some webpage to show you.
Please!! Pelase do show me where it says that, i would love to read it! Get the webpages and textbooks out - all of it, and please let me see it, otherwise im going to continue thinking that you're pulling this facts straight out of your ass.
Second of all, my point was about discipline, not a goddamned WWII.
Err, never heard that oddball idea before Sauron...
... but by the same measure, there is plenty of evidence (and eyewitness accounts) of Wehrmacht units in Russia performing atrocities as routine. It was a vicious bastard war out there and the German army that fougnt there was most unlike that in Africa and Western Europe. There was a certain rivalry that the Wehrmacht had with the SS to 'achieve' more out there.