Are American troops undisciplined thugs dressed as soldiers?

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
After 9-11 how anyone can blame our troops, Did the Iraqui people had any remorse about blowing the Twin Towers, No, Hijacking and killing all those people in those plane and now beheading hostages hiding what the americans did as an excuse, no, they have no remorse and im glad im not in that war because i probably wouldve been with the arrested americans since i would shoot anything that moves, Do you think if given the chance the wouldnt do another 9/11 on us?, frankly they are a threat that needs to be handle by any means necesarry

Your name is Darth. You have just proved a point I have about KMC names. Thanks.

One thing people need to realize and keep in mind though, they may have reasons for hating us so. But their simple hatred for this country is not an excuse of their concsious murdering of 3000 innocent people that have nothing to do with their hatred.

The bottom line, if they (or anyone else) kill 3000 innocent people because they happen to live in a country that they hate, then THEY are at fault, and THEY are the bad guys. The innocent people they killed had nothing to do with their problem with the country. They were murdered out of cold blood. It's the fault of the person doing the murdering.

Originally posted by PVS
ok lil b. what about tony blair?
does that give me the right to insult and condiscend all
britains on the 'painful truth'?

how the hell did you two get on the other side of the fence?
check your drivers license, what country do you live in?
U.K.? guess you need to move away from where you are as well.

PVS, understand this. Just because I live in this country, it doesnt automatically make me believe everything the leader of this country i.e Tony Blair is saying. Im not just blindly absorbing all I am told by him, in fact I dont buy most of his bullshit. I dont need to move anywhere, i can live here and critisize the country just as well.

I however dont really get what Tony Blair and me living in England had to do with anything.

Originally posted by Mr Zero
and at home a majority of the press and populace that says "Hey dont bad-mouth the troops"

who gives a f**k what the press says? half of voting americans are against the war, but that does not mean they are against ever troop. as i explained so many time, yet you chose to selectively ignore, there is a HUUUUUUGE difference between opposing the war and hating our troops.

those individuals who commit attrocities should be dealt with.
and although you claim to have said the same, you consistantly revert
to anti american generalisations toward anyone you would sare disagree with you.

Originally posted by PVS
address my last post zero, for the fifth time

Im here to talk to you about your ridiculous assertion about my 9-11 reference - because you wine like a girl and your shrill petulant braying was getting on my nerves.

Either address the 9-11 ISSUE that you have been bleating about all damn day or shut up. Im not going to waste a second of my life talking to you about tony blair, you have the reasoning capacity of a molusc and once I get through with this 9-11 fabrication you have constructed I'm going to get hypnotherapy to rid my of any memory i have of having to try to make sense of the endless stream of self-pittying shit you write.

CLEAR?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
PVS, understand this. Just because I live in this country, it doesnt automatically make me believe everything the leader of this country i.e Tony Blair is saying. Im not just blindly absorbing all I am told by him, in fact I dont buy most of his bullshit. I dont need to move anywhere, i can live here and critisize the country just as well.

I however dont really get what Tony Blair and me living in England had to do with anything.

sucks to be lumped in the same category as blair supporters doesnt it?
and you are right, the place you live should have NOTHING to do with how
you are defined as a human being, and how you percieve the world around you.

so when you address me, please show me the same respect and adress me as an individual, with the same ideals as MANY americans who hate the direction our (and YOUR) government is turning. you may not realise, but your's and zero's posts are filled with prejudice generalizations, and if you can notice mine, then please notice yours.

Originally posted by BackFire
The bottom line, if they (or anyone else) kill 3000 innocent people because they happen to live in a country that they hate, then THEY are at fault, and THEY are the bad guys. The innocent people they killed had nothing to do with their problem with the country. They were murdered out of cold blood. It's the fault of the person doing the murdering.

Nobody is disputing that BF. VPL managed to yank from my "this attitude is why they hate you - and you have to understand why they hate you or its going to happen again" rant and extrapolate that I jerk off to footage of the towers going down before going to bed of an evening.

Originally posted by Mr Zero
Im here to talk to you about your ridiculous assertion about my 9-11 reference - because you wine like a girl and your shrill petulant braying was getting on my nerves.

Either address the 9-11 ISSUE that you have been bleating about all damn day or shut up. Im not going to waste a second of my life talking to you about tony blair, you have the reasoning capacity of a molusc and once I get through with this 9-11 fabrication you have constructed I'm going to get hypnotherapy to rid my of any memory i have of having to try to make sense of the endless stream of self-pittying shit you write.

CLEAR?

^^^^
see what i mean? hateful excrament

Bottom line, some middle easterners do not like the US and it's allies because we are just as guilty of playing by "their rules" as they are. They want the same rights to live as they see fit that europeans wanted when they came to the new world and started killing indians.

Originally posted by BackFire
One thing people need to realize and keep in mind though, they may have reasons for hating us so. But their simple hatred for this country is not an excuse of their concsious murdering of 3000 innocent people that have nothing to do with their hatred.

The bottom line, if they (or anyone else) kill 3000 innocent people because they happen to live in a country that they hate, then THEY are at fault, and THEY are the bad guys. The innocent people they killed had nothing to do with their problem with the country. They were murdered out of cold blood. It's the fault of the person doing the murdering.

Nothing excuses American bombing of Iraq on weekly bases for the past 13 years. Way more than 3 000 innocent Iraqi's died in those 13 years - way way more than 3 000, but noone is moarning those people, some even are supporting this war, which not only do i find appaling but extreamly sickening.

Originally posted by Mr Zero
you give your enemy the ammunition to paint you as evil. You doom a new generation to grow up hating Americans. The exact thing that caused 9-11 in the first place, that’s my point: NEXT time (and its coming) you wont be able to say "why do they hate us so much?"

now lil b. with that understanding we have about prejudice speech, please read this bit over again

Originally posted by PVS
sucks to be lumped in the same category as blair supporters doesnt it?
and you are right, the place you live should have NOTHING to do with how
you are defined as a human being, and how you percieve the world around you.

so when you address me, please show me the same respect and adress me as an individual, with the same ideals as MANY americans who hate the direction our (and YOUR) government is turning. you may not realise, but your's and zero's posts are filled with prejudice generalizations, and if you can notice mine, then please notice yours.

I dont understand what point are you making with that.

Originally posted by PVS
^^^^
see what i mean? hateful excrament

Its hateful because I hate you. Your the worst kind of feeble clown. I've sat here while you made up lie after lie about what i posted.

“YOU HAVE IT COMING". to imply that civilians DESERVE to die is the issue.

zero gloating about 911, as if people deserve to be murdered because they wont spit on their own soldiers because of the actions of a few.

gloating over the deaths of thousands

zero said america deserves another 9/11

Belittling the incident and insulting me on a very personal level.
Im still happy to talk to you about the subject youve been begging for tho, because the sight of you puffed up with belated self importance over this SERIOUS SLUR on the USA.

You had lots to say apparently: Cough it up... Im getting bored waiting.

meaning i dont support the war lil b. also i voted kerry
why am i lumped in the same category as bush supporters?
because i dont think our troops should be spit on for the actions
of a few? or just because i am american?

Originally posted by PVS
now lil b. with that understanding we have about prejudice speech, please read this bit over again

PVS, seriously man, its all true. America is invading a country - a poor country they have been boming to death for a past decade or so, which has been under sanctions for got knows how long, and after all that, America declares war on Iraq - and invades.

Can you honestly sit there and think that the new generation will not hate America? CAn you seriously?

Its not prejudice, i promise, its the truth.

I am gonna be sooo late

I know you weren't disputing it zero, but it's something that people seem to forget sometimes. People seem to have a tendancy to try to turn around all the blame towards America, while acting like the guys who flew the planes into the towers were just "giving america what it had coming" and aren't the ones who are truley to blame (which they are).

There is a lot of anti-american bullshit going on right now all over the place that try to justify every action taken against America (oh, well they had it coming, oh, well they shouldn' thave done this 15 years ago, oh well they shouldn't have armed this country with weapons 20 years ago before said country was filled with terrorists) all the while seemingly forgetting the fact that these shit heads murdered 3000 innocent people.

Originally posted by PVS
meaning i dont support the war lil b. also i voted kerry
why am i lumped in the same category as bush supporters?
because i dont think our troops should be spit on for the actions
of a few? or just because i am american?

And noone is saying you are supporting a war - but you also cannot support the savage acts of violence committed by some soldiers in American army either - you couldnt possibly.

Mr Z, I am formaly warning you to stop argument with PVS (who you keep calling PVL for unknown reason) complitely and absolutely or face banning for 3 days.

maybe not for you lil b .

i am aware of action and reaction, i dont need an education in this.
look, if you refuse to see the hate in someone elses words because they dont disagree with you, fine. but they are there and i refuse to quote that shit anymore.

and for the last time, britain invaded iraq as well.
i do not imply that this puts guilt on you, but why must guilt be on me?

wow! my head is spinning....after reading this whole entire thread - much to my dismay that an hour has gone...

i hadn't realized that, like the religion thread...this thread created such a heated debate < can I use that word?...is this, a debate? or an argument?

because all this shouting has not done anyone one bit of good but take sides on the right or wrong of whatever was discussed...everyone is right - and everyone is wrong...

*runs for cover from the stone throwers*