Are American troops undisciplined thugs dressed as soldiers?

I don't know if it is right, either, to justify the actions of army or nation by way of 9/11. It was an act of disgusting brutality, true, but it should not be used as a "Get out of jail free card" for all time. Australians died in the attack as well, and many nations share the US pain, and many nations have experienced pain of their own of equal tragedy, but there must still be accountability. And it is problematic when dealing with Iraq as it appears that Iraq had nothing at all to do with the 9/11 attacks.

they didn't have to live with what happened in september and they just don't get or feel what happened as mcuh as thoughs american who lost their lives.

Very true.

Originally posted by PVS
who is YOU genius? ME?? I LET THIS SHIT HAPPEN?

and wahat of tony blair? so YOU let it all happen too, right?

or are you an exception?

I'm sorry but where on Tony Blairs political manifesto did it include being stuck up the American Presidents arse and declaring war on Middle-Eastern countries for the wrong reasons?

Osama Bin Laden admitted being responsible for 9/11, this had nothing to do with Iraq. Bush pushed for any remote reason (WMD) to invade a country which was rich in oil and of course it had the added bonus of getting Saddam for his dear old daddy. When did Bush suddenly realise that Saddam Hussein and his sons were evil men? Straight after 9/11 I bet, so of course it was ideal to get SOME of the American people baying for Middle-Eastern blood. And guess what, he's after Iran now.

like it or not, blair/u.k. is part of the same bullshit charade.

but you know what? i dont blame the u.k., i don't blame british troops,
i blame BLAIR. as all of you non-americans who dispise this war should place
your blame on the bush administration, not american soldiers and civilians.
thats just downright retarded.

one of the easiest things to do in life is point your finger, you learn this skill when you are months old in the crib. now that you are older, try using intelligence and logic deduction when you decide who you point your finger at.

and guess what? when you send well over 100,000 kids ANYWHERE, there is going to be some bad apples in the bunch who somehow made it through bootcamp without their superiors realising they have a psycho in training.
do you really expect this not to happen?

Originally posted by WindDancer
Everyone take a moment and read this article from Newsweek:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6524206/site/newsweek/

well, i guess that explains why bush is going after iran now 🙁

this is all bullshit 😠 i really hate bush for putting us in this shitstorm

like water off a ducks back ❌

so basically its like this:

iraq will never have a military force to counter its neighbors'.

iran would jump at the chance of taking over iraq once the u.s. (supposedly) pulls out

iraq consists of a majority of shiites who would probably welcome iran with open arms

"So it’s no wonder that many Iraqis—including the majority of the insurgents, who still see themselves as fighting foreign invaders—simply don’t believe the American administration’s spin about pulling out of Iraq sometime soon. Iraq’s neighbors don’t believe that either. And neither should anyone else. "

very true...and im think that the true goal of the insurgency is not to free iraq, but to join iran...and thanks to bush, we may be witnessing the birth of a new superpower...or the beginning of a chain of events which lead to one...one that hates us far more than the communists ever did 🙁

In fact its an interesting point, one of the original reasons the US and co supported Saddam way back and gave him so much funding and weapons tech was that Western powers feared a domino effect occuring after the revolution that created Iran as we know it. The US beleived that if a strong power didn't stand in their way they would creat a middle easter empire with near total control of the worlds oil supplies. Ergo, Saddam stopped them with western aid. Also one of the reasons it appears that he maintained the WMD bussiness for so long was he believed that they were the only thing keeping Iran in check....

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Thank you AC, that is very close to what I'm trying to say, with the minor exception that I don't think this war is necessary. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and I don't see why we're even in there."

Yeah I know, the "However it is not" was aimed at you comment also. Saying you believe this "war" isn't.

-AC

I see now, misinterpretation on my part.

Originally posted by WindDancer
Everyone take a moment and read this article from Newsweek:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6524206/site/newsweek/

Thats the biggest cock of shit i have read in a long time.

Thats why your sources are internet websites and news, while mine are academic journals and articles - no wonder we fail to agree.

It might be biased and a bit liberal with facts, but it does raise some real concerns. After all, there are often grains of truth in such articles that more politically reserved publications won't dive into.

it is an editorial piece lil b., but many points are dead on and only make sense.
regardless of this guy's opinion, the iraqis' ability to defend themselves is little to none...and if invaded by iran...would they really put up a resistance? or would iran be "welcome as liberators"?

Exactly, sometimes there are facts that shine through, regardless of the type of article.

Just so that its extremely clear...........

Not ALL Americans reelected Bush. Matter of fact, if you look at the many many sources out there, there is a growing concern that Bush did NOT win this election, just as he did not winn in 2000. Voter fraud is a nasty thing and looks like it has reared its ugly head here in the US (again...i know this is not a first). Thus it can be concluded that most Americans DO NOT support this war. We remain steadfast in our loyalty to our troops but our allegiance to our Preisdent is questionable at best.

And many of you are dead on.... if we (the US) are going to claim moral superiority in the world, we SHOULD hold our own troops accontable for their actions. If we want to continue in the endeavor to eliminate atrocities commited by soldiers from other countries, we should be willing to play by the same rules. Anything less is absolute hypocrisy.

But are US Troops as a group THUGS? Absolutely not. As stated over & over here there are a few bad apples in every bunch, and we are no exception. I am horrified by what happened at Abu Grahib but it in no way is indicative of how 'things are done' by our troops. My cousin is a soldier in the army & a great person, father & husband. To place him in the same category as Lynndie Englund is not only a misnomer but an insult.

Originally posted by PVS
it is an editorial piece lil b., but many points are dead on and only make sense.
regardless of this guy's opinion, the iraqis' ability to defend themselves is little to none...and if invaded by iran...would they really put up a resistance? or would iran be "welcome as liberators"?

Ok, bite lip - breathe - respond -

Please re-read what you have said in the reply above, and then re-read all of your replys in this thread, and then you will hopefully understand the kind of bullshit you have typed throughout.

Are you trying to tell me, that the country America is currently IN WAR with and the country America has invaded and is killing the civilians (who according to some have deserved it) is the same country America is somehow trying to protect from some invaders?

Do you understand how absolutely stupid that is? Do you understand what you are talking about, or do you just go with the flow and type anything for the sake of it?

Let me help you out here - The only country Iraq has to fear is America. The one and only country - and that country has already declared a war on Iraq and invaded it.

I am going to go back to reading now, because if I stay on here reading this thread any longer, i am going blow a fuse.

Lil B,
America is a study in contradictions. Don't try to analyze it, you'll only wind up with a migraine. It's even worse if you have to live with it.....LOL😕

Actually, i think America will try to stop countries around Iraq attacking it because the world will call for America to take action to help Iraq. Can you see America jumping at the chance to go to war with Iran?
Instead of telling or pressuring the countries its getting the American imposed Iraqi government to do it. Therefore its the Iraq government doing the talking, but America passing the notes ?

Originally posted by finti
Europe has had its share of terrorist action so dont say that Europeans dont know what the feeling is like

i never said that, im just saying that i guess american's feel more angry then the rest of us against iraw because this has happened to their country. Finti - im on your side, im from europe not america!!

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Ok, bite lip - breathe - respond -

Please re-read what you have said in the reply above, and then re-read all of your replys in this thread, and then you will hopefully understand the kind of bullshit you have typed throughout.

Are you trying to tell me, that the country America is currently IN WAR with and the country America has invaded and is killing the civilians (who according to some have deserved it) is the same country America is somehow trying to protect from some invaders?

Do you understand how absolutely stupid that is? Do you understand what you are talking about, or do you just go with the flow and type anything for the sake of it?

Let me help you out here - The only country Iraq has to fear is America. The one and only country - and that country has already declared a war on Iraq and invaded it.

I am going to go back to reading now, because if I stay on here reading this thread any longer, i am going blow a fuse.

1- you are preaching to the choire

2- i never stated the iraqis felt the need to be 'protected' from iran

3-you obviosly did not read through the entirety of my post, or you have caught it's meaning. maybe in the future you should before you insult me, ok?

i simply stated the the majority of iraqis are shiite muslems, who fall under the influence of iran. that is why the u.s. backed out of the shiite uprising in 91, because they did not want THEM to take over the country.
which is stupid, because they are the majority...who did they expect to overthrow saddam hussein?

anyway, if the u.s. were to all of the sudden back out, you can bet your ass that iran will move right in, with little to no resistance. thus my qoute from dubya of how iranian forces would be 'welcome as liberators'.
its a scenario many iraqis would welcome.

and there lies the problem, the big can of worms which the bush administration has opened. without the u.s. in iraq, there WILL be a new superpower. and it wont stop at iraq either. as evil a bastard as hussein was, he kept middle east powers in check. now, without the u.s., there would be a massive power vaccume which will be easily and redily filled by its eastern neighbor.

now how the f**k is that so stupid of me to say?

its not opinion, it has nothing to do with whether the u.s. SHOULD be there, its just fact.