Adam and Eve.

Started by JimMorrison2276 pages

Adam and Eve.

I want the opinion of someone who thinks this story is true, what was the point of this "god" creating a tree that if someone ate and apple it would release all sins or whatever. Obviously curiosity would take the better of someone...So why did he even create the tree?

first off, there is very little of the Old Testament that one can take for 100% truth, it's all kind of a general story about what happened, not to be picked apaprt and searched through for details.

now, why God made a tree in the middle of Eden, is sometihng I do not know, because abviously, I am not God. The best reason I can give you is that God made us with a free will so that we may or may not do what He asks of us, its our decision. The tree I guess was temptation, and temptation is just something thats just part of the world, and thus whould need to be planted.It was Adam and Eve's choice whether they ate the apple or not. God had told them no to, but they did anyway. 😬

The Adam and Eve story never made much sense. Have you noticed who the honest one in that story is? It's the serpant. God tells them that they'll die the very day that they eat the fruit, which was false; the serpant says that they won't, and that they'll gain knowledge of good and evil, which was true.

See, I thought he may have meant "die" in a non-literal but perhaps more profound sense...and then be reborn. Or perhaps literally born- welcome to earth, kiddos. Enjoy. Start grooving on the good and the evil and getting the experience of both...

Maybe, but if he did, I doubt Adam and Eve realized it.

If Adam and Eve didn't already have knowledge if good and evil, they couldn't have been expected to realize that disobeying God was bad, could they? They're punished for it, though--not quite fair, I've often thought.

😬 maybe they just didn't understand it but God just kinda went "Hey, if you disobery me, thats bad, and being bad...is not good...but if you want to disobey thats fine...but its bad."

Is it punishment? Not all consequences are punishment. Being born to Earth, in my mind, would not be a punishment, but an opportunity. A lesser being dies, a human is born and begins to know itself?

Birth is pain, life is pain and pleasure, both are informative and formative.

Contrary to what a lot of people think, being kicked out of Eden wasn't, to all appearances, intended as a punishment. You're right about that. God did that (well, I'm an atheist, so I don't believe this story, but you know what I mean) because he was afraid that Adam and Eve would also taste the fruit from the Tree of Immortality, not to get back at them.

But it's pretty clear that God is intending to punish them in 3:14--20, when he makes the snake crawl, increases labor pains, and declares that Adam shall suffer a life of toil.

I have a wierd perspective on the infliction of pain, and I probably shouldn't be projecting it on God- I'll shut my yap now.

ok here is what i have to say about this[like anyone cares] i did some research and found out there are diffrent versions to this story there is one with out the tree they said adam dies because eves sister killed him because of jealousy then eve's sis goes to hell for an eternity and eve stays alone heart broken and adams spirit apears and tell s her what has been done so thats one of the versions

Originally posted by Gregory
Contrary to what a lot of people think, being kicked out of Eden wasn't, to all appearances, intended as a punishment. You're right about that. God did that (well, I'm an atheist, so I don't believe this story, but you know what I mean) because he was afraid that Adam and Eve would also taste the fruit from the Tree of Immortality, not to get back at them.

But it's pretty clear that God is intending to punish them in 3:14--20, when he makes the snake crawl, increases labor pains, and declares that Adam shall suffer a life of toil.

i dunno 😬 the old testement confuses me

but, ya i can see where God would kick them out of Eden because he didn't want them eating the fruit of immortality..or whatevrr it was. but yes, i agree with the second part of your post about making the snake crawl, but i can also see God kicking them out of Eden as a punishment for diobeying Him, since in the Bible im pretty cure it says that outside of Eden the ground wasnt good for farming, and there werent many animals, unlike inside Eden, so life was going to be misrable for them and it'd be a lesson not to disobey God again.

Adam and eve was just another folk tale, part of jewish mythology when the book of genesis was written. When the jews were recording their history, they left out the full story of adam and eve because it was not considdered history. it was just a myth, therefore it only has a few paragraphs. The full story is in the books of adam and eve and the following books of jewish mythology. When the jews were writing the book of genesis, they intended it to be a record of their people's history, and since the books of adam and eve were considered to be fiction/mythology, they were shortenned to just a few paragraphs and mostly exluded from genesis itself.
http://www.earth-history.com/Pseudepigrapha/index.htm

I am not sure but I think it is to see if they would be tempted or not.That is my thought on it.I reallly don't know the whole story about Adam and Eve and did not brother to look it up in my dad's bible.
So who can say?JM

The old jewish mythology texts have a few books on the myths of adam and eve, but were not included in genesis (as that was meant to be a profile of their history).
The link to some of these myths (such as adam and eve) are in the above link (from my previous post)

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Here's my thoughts on the story

15 The Lord God took the man and placed him in the garden of Eden to work it and watch over it.

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree of the garden, 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you eat from it, you will certainly die." (It's like saying "If you leave to attack the Romans You will certainly die". If they don't, they can live as long as God feels like it, i.e. forever)

18 Then the Lord God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper who is like him." 19 So the Lord God formed out of the ground each wild animal and each bird of the sky, and brought each to the man to see what he would call it. And whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all the livestock, to the birds of the sky, and to every wild animal; but for the man no helper was found who was like him. (Man got familiar with nature, and how to supervise it)

21 So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to come over the man, and he slept. God took one of his ribs and closed the flesh at that place. 22 Then the Lord God made the rib He had taken from the man into a woman and brought her to the man. 23 And the man said:
This one, at last, is bone of my bone,
and flesh of my flesh;
this one will be called woman,
for she was taken from man.

24 This is why a man leaves his father and mother and bonds with his wife, and they become one flesh. 25 Both the man and his wife were naked, yet felt no shame. (As they did not know of shame yet.)

1 Now the serpent was the most cunning of all the wild animals that the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You can't eat from any tree in the garden '?"

2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit from the trees in the garden. 3 But about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God said, 'You must not eat it or touch it, or you will die. ' "

4 "No! You will not die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "In fact, God knows that when you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

6 Then the woman saw that the tree was good for food and delightful to look at, and that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom. So she took some of its fruit and ate [it]; she also gave [some] to her husband, [who was] with her, and he ate [it]. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made loincloths for themselves. (They realised that one should not display one's sexual parts to the common world)

8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden at the time of the evening breeze, and they hid themselves from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. (Due to their shame at the disobedience)

9 So the Lord God called out to the man and said to him, "Where are you?" (If a parent sees that a child has broken a lamp, they'll ask the child to confess. The parent knows perfectly well the facts though)

10 And he said, "I heard You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked, so I hid." (Showing shame, but not confessing his sin)

11 Then He asked, "Who told you that you were naked? Did you eat from the tree that I had commanded you not to eat from?" (Giving him an easy route to confession)

12 Then the man replied, "The woman You gave to be with me-she gave me [some fruit] from the tree, and I ate." (This is the key moment. For the first time in history, a serious sin is committed. He tries to shift the blame onto his wife)

13 So the Lord God asked the woman, "What is this you have done?" (Giving her a chance to prove that she is an able enough wit to admit at a direct accusation.)

And the woman said, "It was the serpent. He deceived me, and I ate." (Evidently not)

14 Then the Lord God said to the serpent:
Because you have done this,
you are cursed more than any livestock
and more than any wild animal.
You will move on your belly
and eat dust all the days of your life. 15 I will put hostility between you and the woman,
and between your seed and her seed.
He will strike your head,
and you will strike his heel.

16 He said to the woman:
I will intensify your labour pains;
you will bear children in anguish.
Your desire will be for your husband,
yet he will dominate you. (Equality. Now they were in the real world they had to deal with cause and effect. If you try and force a large object through a hole that small, with the powerful sex nerves waiting for an event... ouch.

17 And He said to Adam, "Because you listened to your wife's voice and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'Do not eat from it':
The ground is cursed because of you.
You will eat from it by means of painful labor
all the days of your life. 18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field. 19 You will eat bread by the sweat of your brow
until you return to the ground,
since you were taken from it.
For you are dust,
and you will return to dust." (Thorns come with plants. It's a normal thing that happens)

20 Adam named his wife Eve because she was the mother of all the living.

21 The Lord God made clothing out of skins for Adam and his wife, and He clothed them.

Here's my thoughts on the story
your thoughts?, more like the biblical tale word for word.

http://www.earth-history.com/Pseudepigrapha/FB-Eden/fbe-intro1-2.htm