Adam and Eve.

Started by Ytaker6 pages

Originally posted by -=Urot=-
Ahh good ole King Henry the V. So let me see if I got the story straight. God wanted to test mankind to see if they were traitors? I think not.

See that is ok for king Henry V, but its not ok for God, because unlike the king, God claims to be Omnipotent (all-powerful), Omniscient (all-knowing) and Omnipresent (all places at all times) so we have to hold Him/her/it to a higher standard than man.

Now as fart as Adam and Eve passing the buck, all I have to say to that is when will God stop passing the buck and take responsibility for his/her/its creation.

1. God created the universe and all that exists within.

2. Sin exists in the universe.

3. Therefore, God created sin.

If mankind is doomed to Death and Hell for sinning than God should be as well for starting it all in the first place.

If God states that He/she/it can’t be around sin so he has to separate Sin/Evil away from itself. Funny thing is if God is omnipresent (all places at all times) than He/she/it can’t separate itself from sin therefore making the so-called punishment Of Hell/Lake Of Fire unnecessary. Also since God can’t make the separation, that would not make God omnipotent (all-powerful) because He/she/it would not have the ability to not exist everywhere all at once.

So if God lost the ability to be omnipotent (all-powerful) and omnipresent (all places at all times) that would only leave him/she/it with only omniscient (all-knowing).

Now if God is only omniscient than the story of Adam and Eve proves that God is not, for if he was, he would have known the consequences of his actions well before his first action of creation.

No, you haven't got the story straight. Read Henry V Act two. These are the important bits: The chorus, and scene two.

Originally posted by Ytaker
No, you haven't got the story straight. Read Henry V Act two. These are the important bits: The chorus, and scene two.
Will do. 😉

The chorus tells the audience that, "the youth of England are on fire," (2.0.1) and that men throughout the land are preparing for a war with France. The French, afraid of the threat which Henry poses, have bribed three men to become traitors. The Earl of Cambridge, Lord Scrope, and Sir Thomas Gray of Northumberland have accepted French money and conspire to kill Henry before he can depart for France.

Act Two, Scene One

Corporal Nim and Lieutenant Bardolph are waiting for Pistol and his wife the Hostess to arrive. Nim was formerly betrothed to the Hostess, and is upset that Pistol has married her. Pistol arrives and soon he and Nim have drawn their swords and are ready to fight over the Hostess. She makes them put the swords away, but they again draw on each other only a few lines later.

Bardolph, upset by this, draws his own sword and threatens to kill the first man that dares to injure the other man. Before anything serious happens, the Boy who serves Falstaff appears and tells the men that his master is very sick. Nim tells Pistol that he will forget about the fight provided Pistol pays him the eight shillings he won gambling. Pistol agrees to give him a "noble", equivalent to six shillings and eight pence. Nim agrees to this arrangement and the men leave to go see how Falstaff is doing.

Act Two, Scene Two

Westmorland, Gloucester and Exeter arrive and discuss the fact that Henry knows that Scrope, Grey and Cambridge have become traitors. They remark that the traitors are able to pretend to be so loyal to Henry in spite of the fact that they accepted French money to kill him. They cannot believe that these men would sell their king's life for such a small amount of money.

Henry arrives accompanied by Scrope, Cambridge and Grey. He first asks them if they think he will be victorious against the French forces. They all tell him there is no doubt that he will win. Henry then decides to play a game with them. He orders Exeter to free a man accused of treason from the prison. Scrope objects, saying that it will set a bad example for the rest of the people. Henry replies, "O let us yet be merciful" (2.2.47). The other two traitors also object and tell him to put the man to death.

Henry nonetheless orders the man to be set free. He then changes topics and asks who the commissioners are (the commissioners are the men who will rule England in his absence). All three of the traitors inform him that he bade them come in order to receive a commission. Henry hands them letters of commission and tells Exeter and Westmorland to that the army will leave that night for France. He then turns back to the traitors and remarks that they appear quite pale.

The traitors have read the documents, which clearly implicate them in a plot to kill Henry. They beg for mercy, but he refuses to grant them any since they themselves would not pardon the accused man whom he wanted to free. He sends them away to be executed, and tells the assembled lords to prepare for war with France.

Act Two, Scene Three

Hostess Quickly, Nim, Pistol and Bardolph return from visiting Falstaff who has died. They discuss whether he went to heaven or hell, and Hostess Quickly argues that he cannot be in hell. Nim says that Falstaff swore off wine at the end, which was formerly one of his great indulgences. Falstaff's Boy also tells them that Falstaff swore off women, calling them "devils incarnate" (2.3.28). Nim then tells them it is time to leave. They all kiss the Hostess goodbye except for Nim and leave to join Henry's army.

Act Two, Scene Four

King Charles the Sixth of France tells his dukes Berri and Bourbon, as well as his son the Dauphin, to go to the garrisons and make sure France is well defended against Henry. The Dauphin says it is a good idea, but that it is also unnecessary because Henry is an idle king who acts more like a capricious youth. The Constable tells the Dauphin to be quiet because he is mistaken about Henry's real personality.

Charles decides that it is safer to prepare a strong defense rather than risk Henry being too strong. He is afraid of repeating the battle of Crecy, where Prince Edward of Wales defeated the French on their own territory. A messenger interrupts Charles' speech and informs him that Exeter has arrived as an ambassador from King Henry. King Charles orders Exeter to be brought before him.

Exeter informs Charles that Henry demands the throne of France, and wants Charles to willingly give up the crown or be responsible for the bloodshed that will occur. Charles tells Exeter that he will give him a response the next day. Exeter also has a message for the Dauphin, and tells the young prince that Henry scorns him for his joke and will make him pay for it. Exeter lastly informs the court that Henry has already landed on French soil and that Charles should give him a response immediately.

um.......

no species can survive with only two specimens remaining. Within a few generations the offspring would be so imbred as to virtually be unviable. This goes for humans aswell.

Now which human-prototype was Adam and Eve supposed to be again?

Ardipithecus ramidus?
Australopithecus anamensis?
Australopithecus afarensis?
Australopithecus africanus?
Australopithecus garhi?
Paranthropus aethiopicus?
Paranthropus boisei?
Paranthropus robustus?
Homo habilis?
Homo rudolfensis?
Homo ergaster?
Homo erectus?
Homo heidelbergensis?
Homo neanderthalensis?
Homo sapiens?

clarify for me........the bible does not mention.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
um.......

no species can survive with only two specimens remaining. Within a few generations the offspring would be so imbred as to virtually be unviable. This goes for humans aswell.

Genesis 4v16 Then Cain went away from the Lord to live in the land of Nod, where he found himself a wife.

Adam and Eve had three sons, whose wives did not come from Eden. As I see it, Adam and Eve were the first 2 people, but not the only 2.

Adam and Eve had three sons, whose wives did not come from Eden. As I see it, Adam and Eve were the first 2 people, but not the only 2.

This, of course, begs the question--why did God create other people and select Adam and Eve to be the father and mother of His chosen people? If there were other people than Adam and Eve, were they already sinning? Or did they not sin until the fateful "Tree of Knowledge" bit?

Aah, it burns my mind with all these questions.

This, of course, begs the question--why did God create other people and select Adam and Eve to be the father and mother of His chosen people? If there were other people than Adam and Eve, were they already sinning? Or did they not sin until the fateful "Tree of Knowledge" bit?
and the bible really doesnt have a clue.....................

Originally posted by FeceMan
This, of course, begs the question--why did God create other people and select Adam and Eve to be the father and mother of His chosen people? If there were other people than Adam and Eve, were they already sinning? Or did they not sin until the fateful "Tree of Knowledge" bit?

Aah, it burns my mind with all these questions.

I think the other peoples were created after Adam and Eve were kicked out.

I always thought that the story of adam and eve was so unfair.
First of all, is the fact that before they ate the fruit, they didnt know the difference between right and wrong. How are they meant to make the right choice if they dont even know the difference between right and wrong.

Also, it was the serpent that persuaded eve to eat the fruit. But what did god do? He punished eve by making her suffer painfully during birth. ANd what did he do to the serpent? He made it crawl on its belly for the rest of it's days. I would have thought that god would have been clever enough to know that the serpent DID ALREADY crwal on its bely. Talk about unfair punishment. 🙁

Originally posted by Ytaker
Doesn't really matter. I think of it as an metaphorical apple.

I have often thought of the metaphorical fruit as being civilization and the evolution into homo-sapiens. (eating the fruit is referred to as having the knowlegde between good and evil, and the ability to be like a god)

Originally posted by eleveninches
I would have thought that god would have been clever enough to know that the serpent DID ALREADY crwal on its bely. Talk about unfair punishment. 🙁
But did it? Find me proof, from a creationist point of veiw, that the serpent crawled on its belly before.

well it didsnt have arms or legs, so the serpent got off lightly

How do you know it didn't have any arms or legs?

and what did some serpents do that was so special that made god re-think his decision and allow them to evolve into lizards?

and nobody ever mentioned which species Adam and Eve were........

Ardipithecus ramidus?
Australopithecus anamensis?
Australopithecus afarensis?
Australopithecus africanus?
Australopithecus garhi?
Paranthropus aethiopicus?
Paranthropus boisei?
Paranthropus robustus?
Homo habilis?
Homo rudolfensis?
Homo ergaster?
Homo erectus?
Homo heidelbergensis?
Homo neanderthalensis?
Homo sapiens?

/\which of those species was the mini-humans found to have lived in indonesia thousands of years ago???

beats me........I'm no anthropologist.........

I personally believe more something along the lines of "God was. Then he made the big bang happen just right."

God tells them that they'll die the very day that they eat the fruit, which was false; the serpant says that they won't, and that they'll gain knowledge of good and evil, which was true.

But what is a day relative to god? From I have read it says in the bible that 1 day to god is 1000 years and 1000 years to god is one day.....

/\ the serpent was wrong. Adam and eve DID die (eventually)

the serpent was the coolest person in this piece of Bullshit