Adam and Eve.

And Jews had the bible first...
SO if the jews had the bible (Torah=old testament) and changed it.....
Your is changed in the same way!

Originally posted by Gregory
But: "Because you listened to your wife's voice and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'Do not eat from it' ..."

You claim that the sin was shifting the blame, but God himself seems to agree with Adam that his fault was in listening to his wife's bad idea.

sadwalkYour sin was in eating the apples and the proof is that you act sinfully. You also seem to concur that it is sinful, as you tried to shift the blame.

The first bad effect of a sin then. If you left a hundred bucks in a room, somebody took it, and when they returned it, they had an award winning massage parlor that they were also going to give you free use of, you'd probably go along as they are obviously getting more use out of it it than you If somebody stole it, and bought two grams of cocaine, then you would be less forgiving. They abused their freewill, and thus it was a bad thing they were abusing.

Eating an apple is a sin? Sorry, but that's weak. It was a story meant to teach people to do what they're told and probably intended for children. Cocaine? Massage parlors?! Ytaker, your comparisons are a little odd.....

Originally posted by Cipher
Eating an apple is a sin? Sorry, but that's weak. It was a story meant to teach people to do what they're told and probably intended for children. Cocaine? Massage parlors?! Ytaker, your comparisons are a little odd.....

Using a piece of equipment you shouldn't

Wasting the money

Using it for something good.

Adam and Eve is just an old jewish myth.....nothing more.... and it is kinda stupid to create a tree of sin....why would God create something like that would make those he loves go against him?? If he loved us so much why'd he make a tree like that... I think he knew what Eve was goin to do....if he was almighty he should have known the moment eve ate the apple and prevent adam from eating it...don't yall agree?...

Originally posted by AdventChild
Adam and Eve is just an old jewish myth.....nothing more.... and it is kinda stupid to create a tree of sin....why would God create something like that would make those he loves go against him?? If he loved us so much why'd he make a tree like that... I think he knew what Eve was goin to do....if he was almighty he should have known the moment eve ate the apple and prevent adam from eating it...don't yall agree?...

Wasting the money Using it for something good.

Originally posted by Ytaker
sadwalkYour sin was in eating the apples and the proof is that you act sinfully. You also seem to concur that it is sinful, as you tried to shift the blame.

the 'forbidden fruit' might have been a metaphor for something that adam/eve did that the original writers of the story didnt want to talk about in detail

Adam and Eve is ALL bullshit!

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I agree, but star wars is not real either, and there is a whole 4 forums on KMC devoted to that. It's a story, so it should be treated like a story. It shouldnt be totally ignored on the sole basis of it being untrue

Originally posted by eleveninches
the 'forbidden fruit' might have been a metaphor for something that adam/eve did that the original writers of the story didnt want to talk about in detail

Doesn't really matter. I think of it as an metaphorical apple.

Originally posted by finti
what is good and why should we use it on it

Starting a supermarket that earns lots of money; I was pointing out the metaphors in my story. They abused their freewill. They didn't convert it into something worthwhile for God, but something bad.

Originally posted by AdventChild
Adam and Eve is just an old jewish myth.....nothing more.... and it is kinda stupid to create a tree of sin....why would God create something like that would make those he loves go against him?? If he loved us so much why'd he make a tree like that... I think he knew what Eve was goin to do....if he was almighty he should have known the moment eve ate the apple and prevent adam from eating it...don't yall agree?...

Not really. There were three options. Not eat the apple (metaphorical), and live with God. They could also eat the apple, and use the freewill. The two choice were good (admitting their sin, and loving god) or bad (what they did). You have to give people free choice, if you want people.

The tree was to test them to see there royal to them.Which failed because eve was supposly the weak one and ate the apple after being told not too.
I think that it is not a tale it really happen.In anyway it is like questioning Eveloution.Which we have no facts that does exist.Inleast with Adam and Eve we know the whole story/jm

The tree was to test them to see there royal to them.Which failed because eve was supposly the weak one and ate the apple after being told not too.I think that it is not a tale it really happen.In anyway it is like questioning Eveloution.Which we have no facts that does exist.Inleast with Adam and Eve we know the whole story

Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
The tree was to test them to see there royal to them.Which failed because eve was supposly the weak one and ate the apple after being told not too.
I think that it is not a tale it really happen.In anyway it is like questioning Eveloution.Which we have no facts that does exist.Inleast with Adam and Eve we know the whole story/jm

The tree was to test them to see there royal to them.

Which failed because eve was supposly the weak one and ate the apple after being told not too.

I think that it is not a tale it really happen.

Before you make a statement like that you really need to do some homework on the given topic before giving a concrete opinion.

In anyway it is like questioning Eveloution.Which we have no facts that does exist.

Inleast with Adam and Eve we know the whole story/jm

Originally posted by -=Urot=-
If God omniscient (all-knowing) then he/she/it didn't need to test them because it would already know they would fail the so-called test.

Do you really thing having a vagina makes one weak? In this story gender should have nothing to do with it. Both Adam and Eve were innocent, meaning they did not know the out come of their actions because God didn't fully explain the deeper meaning of eating from the tree. Just saying don't eat from this tree because I said so is not good enough. Also only telling them that they would gain knowledge of good and evil was more of a temptation than a warning, they didn't have any concept of what good and evil was, so how could they fear the consequences of their actions (the same thing can be said about the part of them dying once they are from the tree). Case in point when Eve did eat from the tree she didn't change in any way except for her knowledge. Adam still being innocent ate as well because he did not recognize the change in her.

Really? Do you have any facts to support that claim? When did this story take place? Where exactly did it happen (Africa based on the locations of the rivers)? Who wrote the story entire story (Moses)? Are there any other pieces of facts through out history to back up such a story? And so on and so on...

Before you make a statement like that you really need to do some homework on the given topic before giving a concrete opinion.

Now which type of Evolution are we talking about. Mutation, Genetic drift, Gene flow, Natural selection, and many other types of differential survival traits within Evolution, also we can not forget the Stellar Evolution (The Universe) that is constantly changing as we speak. With all of the Knowledge that we are gaining everyday it is very hard to take the Bible literally, its as if we are being told to only drive a Ford model T, when we know better cars are out there, all we have to do is look for them. As far as Evolution is concerned, yes some theories are garbage while other hold much weight. The fundamental difference between The Bible and Science is, Science constantly asks the question "why" then goes forth to seek the answers to the question. On the other hand the Bible Doesn’t question at all, it just stated that it is the truth in light of facts that regularly prove it wrong. One seeks knowledge (continual growth) the other denies it.

Really? What about Lilith? Over time the religious texts have been changed to fit certain types of social, economical, and political views, which in turn corrupts it and therefore makes it void of its original propose. I’ve learned that with all religious texts there is no such thing as concrete meanings.

Do they not have a right to know as well? In Henry V, Henry tests some traitors to see how they'd treat traitors. He knows that they're going to be executed (as they're lying butt kissers), but he wants them to choose their fate themselves.

Then they used their freewill to sin, by shifting the blame. They had knowledge then. Also, throughout the middle ages, and many other historical ages, Adam was blamed mainly, not Eve.

Not really. The knowledge is sufficient though. You can ignore many tales from more than four millennia ago if you choose.

Your view. Not mine. I see it as a template, not a model. Like the original printing press. Without that idea, I couldn't talk to you now. You can't find many better models than that. Besides, most of the scientific discoveries that were denied at first, were proposed by Christians. Like Newton.

Science however... it pollutes, it radiates, it proposes eugenics, biological warfare, the TV (I stick to the theory that we would be far more advanced without it.), acid (LSD), and other lovely little gizmo's. Of course it has proposed a lot of cures too. Depends on the person.

I recognise the name, but I don't know much about her. Do you have any sources? But anyway, yes, but now we know what it means thanks to http://bible.crosswalk.com/ and so do not need to ever worry about that again. 🙂

Originally posted by JimMorrison227
I want the opinion of someone who thinks this story is true, what was the point of this "god" creating a tree that if someone ate and apple it would release all sins or whatever. Obviously curiosity would take the better of someone...So why did he even create the tree?

I'm not religious at all, but I think the tree is meant to be symbolic.

Originally posted by Ytaker
[B]Do they not have a right to know as well? In Henry V, Henry tests some traitors to see how they'd treat traitors. He knows that they're going to be executed (as they're lying butt kissers), but he wants them to choose their fate themselves.

See that is ok for king Henry V, but its not ok for God, because unlike the king, God claims to be Omnipotent (all-powerful), Omniscient (all-knowing) and Omnipresent (all places at all times) so we have to hold Him/her/it to a higher standard than man.

Now as fart as Adam and Eve passing the buck, all I have to say to that is when will God stop passing the buck and take responsibility for his/her/its creation.

1. God created the universe and all that exists within.

2. Sin exists in the universe.

3. Therefore, God created sin.

If mankind is doomed to Death and Hell for sinning than God should be as well for starting it all in the first place.

If God states that He/she/it can’t be around sin so he has to separate Sin/Evil away from itself. Funny thing is if God is omnipresent (all places at all times) than He/she/it can’t separate itself from sin therefore making the so-called punishment Of Hell/Lake Of Fire unnecessary. Also since God can’t make the separation, that would not make God omnipotent (all-powerful) because He/she/it would not have the ability to not exist everywhere all at once.

So if God lost the ability to be omnipotent (all-powerful) and omnipresent (all places at all times) that would only leave him/she/it with only omniscient (all-knowing).

Now if God is only omniscient than the story of Adam and Eve proves that God is not, for if he was, he would have known the consequences of his actions well before his first action of creation.