who created god

Ever heard of something called belief?

To believe that universe began to exist without cause and from literal nothingness? You think that based on everything we know the probability of that (something that sounds so crazy) is higher than the probability of a creator?

If you are not objective, how do you expect to see?

actually I think the idea of a divine power creating the universe is what sounds crazy

Thats nice and all but when the alternative is the universe coming into being without cause and from nothingness, that doesnt make any sense.

That goes against everything we know, that everything in existance has a cause.

One is in accordance with everything we know, the other one (the atheist view) does not even logically make sense.

proof is hard evidence, dont have to be objective to see those

There are people who will be denial even in the face of hard evidence. If you arent objective, you wont recognize it. You will probably just dismiss it. Just as you are doing the with the universe coming into being.

Thats nice and all but when the alternative is the universe coming into being without cause and from nothingness, that doesnt make any sense.

There are people who will be denial even in the face of hard evidence. If you arent objective, you wont recognize it. You will probably just dismiss it. Just as you are doing the the the universe coming into being

That goes against everything we know, that everything in existance has a cause

in time we might learn that that is wrong, everything might not have a cause

Everything that comes into existance has a cause. Anyway, you are willing to believe anything but the most logical reason. That is not objectivity.

hard evidence would have done it for me, even so if they had hard evidence of a god, the biblical one, I would never have trusted that god though...

Did you ever consider how it is you have an objective moral standard?

just as much sense as a divine ominiprecent being

You have to throw out any bit of logic you might have to make this statement. So if thats what you want to do, then I suppose it does make "just" as much sense to you.

Anyway, you are willing to believe anything but the most logical reason.

Did you ever consider how it is you have an objective moral standard?

You have to throw out any bit of logic you might have to make this statement

Originally posted by clickclick
Did you ever consider how it is you have an objective moral standard?

Why is female circumcision considered wrong but male circumcision is not?

Why is female circumcision considered wrong but male circumcision is not?

What are you talking about?

oh please dont say that god creating it is the most logical reason

Its a reason you dont want to accept, despite the fact that it is the logical answer. Explain how it is more logical that something begins to exist without cause and from nothingness than it is for something to begin to exist with cause and from something.

yes and it aint because of the bible

You are not understanding what im saying. Im not talking about the bible. Im talking about why humans have an objective moral standard.

well your continuation of an omniprecent being creating the universe aint a logic, to me that doesnt make sense at all. Maybe you should start considered that your way of logic might not be logical to others regardless your attempt to repeat it to death

God existing may be hard for you to believe but it makes sense. The universe coming to being without cause and from nothingness is easier for you to believe but makes no sense.

An objective observer would suggest that you arent objective. Your are bias. Though I suppose writing anti-christ under your name would have given that away on its own.

Its a reason you dont want to accept, despite the fact that it is the logical answer

Im talking about why humans have an objective moral standard.

God existing may be hard for you to believe but it makes sense. The universe coming to being without cause and from nothingness is easier for you to believe but makes no sense

Though I suppose writing anti-christ under your name would have given that away on its own.

Originally posted by clickclick
What are you talking about?

Where is the objective moral standard in relationship to circumcision? It is not universally acceptable to all cultures.

Where is the objective moral standard in relationship to circumcision? It is not universally acceptable to all cultures.

Do you or do you not believe that humans have an objective moral standard. I suppose we will start there, I take it you dont but ill make sure.

belief and faith aint facts, and I aint accept things blindly regardless theory

You dont want to even accept the fact that it is more logical consistent with what we know. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but based on what we know. That everything that comes into being has a cause, it is more logical that the universe came into existance by a cause.

you gonna credit this to that god of yours?

Well do you even believe it exists? An objective moral standard that is.

Originally posted by clickclick
Well do you even believe it exists? An objective moral standard that is.

If it did, would the morality of circumcision even come into question?

based on what we know the idea of an omniprecent god is far fetched

based on what we know the idea of an omniprecent god is far fetched

Well, yes, omnipotence itself is far-fetched. But then again, so is every theory on creation

sure why not I guess you got some kind of point

Finti can't be the anti-christ from the Bible...

The one from the Bible will be loved by everyone.

The one from the Bible will be loved by everyone

^ lol.