who created god

It takes more faith to believe you came from a magician way up in the sky who himself came from NOTHING! Atleast we came from something.

God didnt become period, he always existed.

Originally posted by clickclick
God didnt become period, he always existed.

Then you might as well say that nature always existed without god. 😆 There's no need for a god. You are indeed clouded by illogical thinking.

Then you might as well say that nature always existed without god. laughing There's no need for a god. You are indeed clouded by illogical thinking.

No, the physical (material) world was not always in existence. Clearly, you are clouded by nonsensical thinking.

You really need to start learning about the concept of one point thus following another. You just put random thoughts together and pretend they follow from another. Though it is somewhat funny, it is of its sad nature.

Well, let's say then that there was always existence, without god.

You are entitled to say that if you so choose or believe it if you so choose. That is after all, part of your free will. 🙂

Yes! Free will because there's no god.

Christianity (and most other religions) would be in a pretty poor state if aliens arrived and told us we were seeded on the planet as an experiment.

I know, I know, not very likely. More likely than God putting in an appearance though.

Originally posted by MilitantDog
Christianity (and most other religions) would be in a pretty poor state if aliens arrived and told us we were seeded on the planet as an experiment.

How would that damage religion?

Originally posted by MilitantDog
More likely than God putting in an appearance though.

really?

what are your assumed probabilities on this one?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
How would that damage religion?

Well it would disprove that God created man.

1. Alien creates man.

2. Man creates God.

3. Alien turns up and informs Man that he came from outerspace.

or.

1. Alien turns up.

2. Alien destroys man.

3. Man and his made up God cease to exist.

Either way not looking good for team Religion.

Originally posted by inimalist
really?

what are your assumed probabilities on this one?

Chance of God pitching up anytime soon = 0 in infinity

Chance of Aliens turning up = anywhere from 1 in infinty upwards.

I would be interested to hear you theory on which is to be more likely though.

Originally posted by MilitantDog
Chance of God pitching up anytime soon = 0 in infinity

Chance of Aliens turning up = anywhere from 1 in infinty upwards.

I would be interested to hear you theory on which is to be more likely though.

well, off the top, you are ascribing the powers of a god to something you have no proof exists. In my mind, that makes both God and the aliens you are describing the exact same thing, so by default they would have the same probabilities.

and second, you seemed so sure of what you said, I thought you would be able to back it up. I mean, to make such a bold statement one would think you would at least be able to express the statistical inferences you used to come up with it.

Also, the probability of God is not 0. it is an unknown variable. Much like aliens. Given that life exists on n=1 planets, and there are no instances of god, it is impossible in any scientific or empirical sense to know anything about these probabilities.

I see God as a fictional being, one in a very populour fiction but he imo is as fictional as Darth Vader from Star Wars, Frodo from Lord of the rings.

But my question is, if this God being actually excists and he really is all powerful, all knowing, was always there etc etc

Why would he create man?

Originally posted by MilitantDog
Well it would disprove that God created man.

1. Alien creates man.

2. Man creates God.

3. Alien turns up and informs Man that he came from outerspace.

or.

1. Alien turns up.

2. Alien destroys man.

3. Man and his made up God cease to exist.

Either way not looking good for team Religion.

You're assuming that aliens are apparently totally honest as well as assuming that God doesn't exist to begin with. The first is poorly thought out, the second relies on tautology and is a complete fallacy.

Some smart person made it up to help people make morally sound choices, or at least what they thought were morally sound, and to explain what he/she saw all around them. And people kept adding to the concept.

IMO

God exists outside of time. Therefore He does not need a beginning.

Originally posted by Gannon
God exists outside of time. Therefore He does not need a beginning.

There is nothing outside of time. 😆

Originally posted by Prabhodh
Some smart person made it up to help people make morally sound choices, or at least what they thought were morally sound, and to explain what he/she saw all around them. And people kept adding to the concept.

IMO

I think it would be more likely that it was not a "smart person" who made it up but rather ideas gathered from many people- probably commoners, rich people, educated and uneducated. Which slowly formed into a religious practice.

To ascribe the rise of the religious phenomena (not individual traditions of course) to one person is really quite dumb.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
I think it would be more likely that it was not a "smart person" who made it up but rather ideas gathered from many people- probably commoners, rich people, educated and uneducated. Which slowly formed into a religious practice.

To ascribe the rise of the religious phenomena (not individual traditions of course) to one person is really quite dumb.

Sure, I agree. I didn't really mean one individual did... I should have elaborated.

Just saying that we created god, not the other way around.

Originally posted by Prabhodh
Sure, I agree. I didn't really mean one individual did... I should have elaborated.

Just saying that we created god, not the other way around.

Well, that is what you believe.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is nothing outside of time. 😆

People who have reached Buddhahood...