who created god

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
What creation stories? In Genesis I it says God created the earth before the sun and stars. it says he creates the earth, sun, moon, stars, plant life, animal life, and mankind in a span of six 24-hour days.

Find me the passage where it say "24-hours", they could easily be 24-seconds or 30874 thousand years each depending on how you wish to interpret the Christian creation story.

Also, one example does not a pattern make.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Not too sure about other religions creation stories I'd have to double check. But they usually state that there was an all powerful being who created the universe. Thats like 99% of them i'd imagine. here's a link that covers a lot of religion evolution and creation stories Beliefs of the World Religions
So it would seem most the world religions do think that an all powerful being made the universe from nothing.

Most creation stories involve a deity building the universe from existing physical materials, up to and including their own bodies. Pretty much every version assume that there was something to work with even if it started with just mud and water (Egyptian) or a huge dead body (Norse).

According to your link:
Buddhism has and endless cycle, so nothing gets created from thin air.
Janism explicitly has no creator.
Sikhs don't care if the universe always existed, was created by (or expanded at the point of) a Big Band or was wished into existence by tortillas.

Also, nice link to all eight of the world's religions. Very comprehensive.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
My question is why believe that and not believe that there is no magical being that the universe has just always existed without the influence of magical beings?

It's called reading honeybuns. You got a bunch of answers

As for why people would simply believe in God, a lot of people want to think there is a purpose or something larger that has to do with them. Some people don't need a God for that but a lot do, it's the same reason that some people find out about quantum physics and go off the deep end about how "anything is possible", it's the same reason people people become philosophers (and conveniently discover that universal truths match up with what they already do), it's the same reason that many people insist on forcing others to validate their beliefs no matter how absurd or poorly thought out they may be.

however, it is possible a rational person believes in God because it is the answer most congruent with their interpretation of reality

It's the same thing - what created Universe? What created particles which created Big Bang? What was before Universe?

If something can be created out of nothing, then we deny physics laws. If indeed cannot, than what created the Universe and the Big Bang and if it was God who created him?

Yeah, these qestions we can speculate, but will never ever know. It is impossible for us to know.

Refer to Immanuel Kant for further more complex and German explanations of soul, god and our existance.

He's smart cos he originates from the same place Bardock does.

[...]Perhaps "What happens before the Big Bang?" can be compared to the question "What is more North than the North Pole?". Just as the concept of 'North' is meaningless outside the planet Earth, concepts like space and time can be meaningless outside the universe, and for that matter, there could be nothing outside the universe at all.

From [pretentious_asshats.com]

(We aren't allowed to link to other forums, are we?)

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Find me the passage where it say "24-hours", they could easily be 24-seconds or 30874 thousand years each depending on how you wish to interpret the Christian creation story.

Also, one example does not a pattern make.

Most creation stories involve a deity building the universe from existing physical materials, up to and including their own bodies. Pretty much every version assume that there was something to work with even if it started with just mud and water (Egyptian) or a huge dead body (Norse).

According to your link:
Buddhism has and endless cycle, so nothing gets created from thin air.
Janism explicitly has no creator.
Sikhs don't care if the universe always existed, was created by (or expanded at the point of) a Big Band or was wished into existence by tortillas.

Also, nice link to all eight of the world's religions. Very comprehensive.

It's called reading honeybuns. You got a bunch of answers

As for why people would simply believe in God, a lot of people want to think there is a purpose or something larger that has to do with them. Some people don't need a God for that but a lot do, it's the same reason that some people find out about quantum physics and go off the deep end about how "anything is possible", it's the same reason people people become philosophers (and conveniently discover that universal truths match up with what they already do), it's the same reason that many people insist on forcing others to validate their beliefs no matter how absurd or poorly thought out they may be.

however, it is possible a rational person believes in God because it is the answer most congruent with their interpretation of reality

It's the same thing - what created Universe? What created particles which created Big Bang? What was before Universe?

If something can be created out of nothing, then we deny physics laws. If indeed cannot, than what created the Universe and the Big Bang and if it was God who created him?

Yeah, these qestions we can speculate, but will never ever know. It is impossible for us to know.

Refer to Immanuel Kant for further more complex and German explanations of soul, god and our existance.

He's smart cos he originates from the same place Bardock does.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
And just because physics hasn't figured something out yet doesn't mean that something magical has to be involved. It's a lot more feasible to believe that an atom has always existed than it is to believe a magical being made it. There's actually no valid reason to believe that something had to make everything instead of believing that everything just always has been. Now I do admit it would be a lot cooler if there was some supreme all-mighty who had created everything and took care of you when you died, but there's no proof of that. There is proof that certain things always exist (e.g. energy). So until someone can show proof of magic I'll stick with my believing in science. Again, to restate this, just because science can't explain everything it doesn't mean theres magic. It just means we're not smart enough at the moment.
And my whole argument was in response to the person posting that god always is and always will be. I have no problem with anyone believing what they want, i was just posting an alternate view and asking why people can believe in one but not the other (when the other is based on fact, and the other based on faith).

You still act as though no one bothered to answer your question despite several people giving you an answer, outright.

an atom has always existed

How do you know atoms exist?

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
How do you know atoms exist?

I believe we have photos now. They could have been faked, I suppose.

I'm not entirely sure where I was going with that. I see at least two avenues of questioning: [list=1][*]Personal perception of external world[*]Personal understanding of physical evidence[/list]

Either way it makes me look like a jerk.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You still act as though no one bothered to answer your question despite several people giving you an answer, outright.

I just noticed this and it is a REALLY good question. Everything HAS TO have a begining. if god exists when was his Begining?

Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
I just noticed this and it is a REALLY good question. Everything HAS TO have a begining. if god exists when was his Begining?

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Our universe is in essence one of a possible infinite amount. There are scientific theories that state that there are 11 dimension (3 of which we are currently fully aware of). Theres also a theory that at a certain time two or more of the dimensions collided causing a release of matter and energy (big bang). This theory also helps to explain why gravity is as weak an influence as it is. It's called M-Theory if you wanna look it up. It's very interesting and could explain how our universe came to exist. That still leaves the question of how these different dimensions came to exist.

Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
I just noticed this and it is a REALLY good question. Everything HAS TO have a begining. if god exists when was his Begining?

Beginnings and ends are defined by time. If God (judeo-christian) exists as described, then he wouldn't have had a "beginning", since the the concept of time doesn't work for him.

Think of it like perpetually existing in the "present", where the past and future (and present) exist for him at the same time and all in the same place i.e. eternity and omnipresence.

O.o im not even Christian.

Originally posted by Allankles
Beginnings and ends are defined by time. If God (judeo-christian) exists as described, then he wouldn't have had a "beginning", since the the concept of time doesn't work for him.

Think of it like perpetually existing in the "present", where the past and future (and present) exist for him at the same time and all in the same place i.e. eternity and omnipresence.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
So you're saying God is Doctor Manhattan?

Doctor Manhattan can see every point in time at once, he only existed from the point of his own creation onward.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Doctor Manhattan can see every point in time at once, he only existed from the point of his own creation onward.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Doctor Manhattan can see every point in time at once, he only existed from the point of his own creation onward.

This. If God is omnipresent and eternal then he wouldn't have had a beginning i.e. there's no time or place where there is no God.

Originally posted by Allankles
This. If God is omnipresent and eternal then he wouldn't have had a beginning i.e. there's no time or place where there is no God.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If something can be created out of nothing, then we deny physics laws. If indeed cannot, than what created the Universe and the Big Bang and if it was God who created him?

The difference between Science and Religion, is that religion implys a belief in something supernatural... or atleast the human belief about what is supernatural. Many religions believe in a soul, which is supernatural based on what we consiter nature. And with said belief in that which is supernatural, religions can deny the laws of physics. Wheras science frankly cannot, and in the end, shall fail to explain the beginnings.

They can have all the big bangs, and re-organisations of the universe that they want, but in the end, they will never be able to explain "where did it begin."

Wheras with religion, many religions, there is no need to ask what created God, because beyond the relm of that which we consiter Natural, where in science is impossible to understand, in religion there is a posibility.

Though, the turnabout with religion is that it is primarily faith-based and thus impossible to prove beyond all reasonable doubt. I guess in the end, the question comes down to "What do you believe?"

Originally posted by THE JLRTENJAC
The difference between Science and Religion, is that religion implys a belief in something supernatural... or atleast the human belief about what is supernatural. Many religions believe in a soul, which is supernatural based on what we consiter nature. And with said belief in that which is supernatural, religions can deny the laws of physics. Wheras science frankly cannot, and in the end, shall fail to explain the beginnings.

They can have all the big bangs, and re-organisations of the universe that they want, but in the end, they will never be able to explain "where did it begin."

Wheras with religion, many religions, there is no need to ask what created God, because beyond the relm of that which we consiter Natural, where in science is impossible to understand, in religion there is a posibility.

Though, the turnabout with religion is that it is primarily faith-based and thus impossible to prove beyond all reasonable doubt. I guess in the end, the question comes down to "What do you believe?"