who created god

Originally posted by The MISTER
The universe just is, is equal to God just is. We are not unique because you believe we are not is comparable to we are unique because I believe we are. So far there is more scientific evidence to support our being the most unique animal in the known universe. There is also proof that extremely unique actions are done on purpose like an animal that repeatedly starts fires. That supports the idea though it does not prove that the extremely unique existence that we experience was put in order on purpose rather than appeared for no purpose. I will say though that you have been very open minded to even engage in discussion with someone with views that are so different than yours. I commend you and hope that the future holds more people with the ability to entertain the ideas of others. You have made some very good points about the arrogance of Christians that present their beliefs as though you are just supposed to accept them as fact with no arguments.

Thank you! Most do not see it that way.

I think saying that the universe just is, is simpler then saying a god just is.

If you look at the history of science; long ago, we thought the Earth was flat. Then, we discovered the Earth was round. We then thought the Earth was the center of the universe. We then discovered that the sun was the center, and just one of many stars in a galaxy. We then discovered other galaxies. This has been a journey of moving humans from the center of the universe to being just one small part. This has nothing to do with meaning, and should not be taken as such.

My thing is that science is great but it doesn't delve into what happens after death. Many people have different beliefs about this but I've tried to keep it simple to contain all people. God created us like him (free will, not appearence) so that he could have the company of children that choose to love him, just as we desire the company of those that choose to love us. This life is the opportunity to make choices that he is only fit to judge as right and wrong, based on the true motives of our heart. When a person does not treat people the way they want to be treated they are hypocrites to their hearts and nobody can tell when that's happening but them. I believe that God also knows who has evil hypocritical hearts and will punish them for it. We prove that we love God with the action of loving those like him as we would want to be loved. Aside from the moral aspects of life I think that exploring the non-moral aspects of the universe is great and should be done with an open mind that accepts the Big Bang as an event that most assuredly did happen. The fact that it happened however doesn't displace creation as the reason that it happened. I hope that one day we can be shown the mysteries of the past by the Creator, even people who weren't part of any religious organization.

do you guys think there can be a race of solar system sized living beings? like star trek

Originally posted by The MISTER
My thing is that science is great but it doesn't delve into what happens after death. Many people have different beliefs about this but I've tried to keep it simple to contain all people. God created us like him (free will, not appearence) so that he could have the company of children that choose to love him, just as we desire the company of those that choose to love us. This life is the opportunity to make choices that he is only fit to judge as right and wrong, based on the true motives of our heart. When a person does not treat people the way they want to be treated they are hypocrites to their hearts and nobody can tell when that's happening but them. I believe that God also knows who has evil hypocritical hearts and will punish them for it. We prove that we love God with the action of loving those like him as we would want to be loved. Aside from the moral aspects of life I think that exploring the non-moral aspects of the universe is great and should be done with an open mind that accepts the Big Bang as an event that most assuredly did happen. The fact that it happened however doesn't displace creation as the reason that it happened. I hope that one day we can be shown the mysteries of the past by the Creator, even people who weren't part of any religious organization.

However, the big bang is not the creation that is found in the bible, and should not be confused as such.

Originally posted by The MISTER
My thing is that science is great but it doesn't delve into what happens after death. Many people have different beliefs about this but I've tried to keep it simple to contain all people. God created us like him (free will, not appearence) so that he could have the company of children that choose to love him, just as we desire the company of those that choose to love us. This life is the opportunity to make choices that he is only fit to judge as right and wrong, based on the true motives of our heart. When a person does not treat people the way they want to be treated they are hypocrites to their hearts and nobody can tell when that's happening but them. I believe that God also knows who has evil hypocritical hearts and will punish them for it. We prove that we love God with the action of loving those like him as we would want to be loved. Aside from the moral aspects of life I think that exploring the non-moral aspects of the universe is great and should be done with an open mind that accepts the Big Bang as an event that most assuredly did happen. The fact that it happened however doesn't displace creation as the reason that it happened. I hope that one day we can be shown the mysteries of the past by the Creator, even people who weren't part of any religious organization.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
do you guys think there can be a race of solar system sized living beings? like star trek

Don't see why not. I think lifeforms like that are most likely.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Science does delve into what happens after death--brain function ceases, and your body eventually decays back into inert organic components.

Not according to NDEs, and it begins.

Originally posted by Deadline
Not according to NDEs, and it begins.

NDE are not death.

Ok what do you mean exactly.

Originally posted by Deadline
Ok what do you mean exactly.

Death is a process, not a point in time. NDE are a reflection of the process, and not death.

Ok sure.

Originally posted by Deadline
Not according to NDEs, and it begins.

Originally posted by King Kandy
They are unexplained phenomena. Meaning you can't explain things using them.

You're entitled to your opinion. NDEs occur after a person has died therefore its proof of life after death.

Originally posted by Deadline
You're entitled to your opinion. NDEs occur after a person has died therefore its proof of life after death.

Check it out:

http://www.skepdic.com/nde.html

But we should probably not turn this thread into a NDE thread. I think there is one already.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Check it out:

http://www.skepdic.com/nde.html

Ok thanx but I doubt its got anything I haven't seen before.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

But we should probably not turn this thread into a NDE thread. I think there is one already.

I guess. *shrug*

Originally posted by Deadline
You're entitled to your opinion. NDEs occur after a person has died therefore its proof of life after death.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Science does delve into what happens after death--brain function ceases, and your body eventually decays back into inert organic components.

Originally posted by The MISTER
I was referring to the spirit of a creature be it human or not. The existence of spirits has not been and cannot be unproven. Science understandably does not spend as much energy delving into the spirit world but you'd be hard pressed to find the idea of a spirit impossible.

I find it very impossible.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, the big bang is not the creation that is found in the bible, and should not be confused as such.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I find it very impossible.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
do you guys think there can be a race of solar system sized living beings? like star trek