Can U believe this: Texas Woman cuts off her babies arms

Originally posted by Mane
Did you know alot of those were Catholic based? The early Catholics were extremely abusive to society. Theres a difference in ancient Catholicism and Christianity.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
You haven't been looking closley. I've seen dozens of instances where people bash Muslims here.

Originally posted by fever red
How can you so casually link modern Christianity and its role in our culture with ancient Christianity and its role in an ancient culture?
How do you then relate that to this specific case, which has so much to do with mental illness, and so little to do with religion?

Originally posted by Captain REX
Oh God, don't get me started, or I'll demote you to Warrant Officer...

Medieval times, crazy goony people. The Muslims did the same thing. As soon as they became a religion, they went rampaging.

Originally posted by Mane
Exactly. There's no way you can use the Inquisition and the Crusades as a valid reason for "religious insanity."

Originally posted by fever red
Demotion! Demotion! Better yet, court martial that man.

Originally posted by Captain REX
Muahahahha!

Exactly, Mane. Too long ago to matter much. In the time when people rode horses, drew swords, and played croquet for fun...

So, because it happened "a long time ago"...it didn't happen? Please. One religion is just as mind numbing in it's intent as the next. If you subscribe to them, then I have no doubt that you will use any argument you can. However, the fact remains, that it happened. You can pretend that Muslims are less advanced that Christians, now or then, but the truth remains.

And by all means, show me how Catholic doesn't equal Christian. OR! ow either (if you assume they are different) have "evolved"?

Besides, the evolution of a religion is simply evidence that it is a man made concept. God doesn't deal in things that are not absolute.

Instead of ending religion and all I say we build a time machine, and whenever things like this happen, we can go back in time with an automatic weapon and kill the wrong doer.

Originally posted by <<Solo>>
Instead of ending religion and all I say we build a time machine, and whenever things like this happen, we can go back in time with an automatic weapon and kill the wrong doer.

Yeah, because a time machine is just as plausible as religion.

__You have issues with religion.
__Fine, so do I.
__Is religion the only thing you see in looking at this event? Is this event somehow a continuation of the Crusades to you? Evidence that Christianity is homogenous and invariably gives rise to the cheapening of human life?
__If so, then you've made your contribution. You've fully expressed your perspective on this incident. Thank-you.

Originally posted by fever red
__You have issues with religion.
__Fine, so do I.
__Is religion the only thing you see in looking at this event? Is this event somehow a continuation of the Crusades to you? Evidence that Christianity is homogenous and invariably gives rise to the cheapening of human life?
__If so, then you've made your contribution. You've fully expressed your perspective on this incident. Thank-you.

Oh no, religion isn't the only thing I look at. But, what is this woman going to use in her argument to the jury? I was depressed and god told me to do it? It's bull shit. God didn't tell her to do it. But, if you can get people to believe what you say, then it will work

Like Hitler said, the bigger the lie, the more people you can get to belive it.

Nooooo, God didn't tell Yates to do it...Yate's religion was part of her delusion; naturally, as it was a central part of her life.
We don't yet know if this woman heard the voice of "God" or "Satan," however, if she did, it will be presented as evidence of a delusionary state, not as evidence that her actions were mandated by God...
There will no doubt be other manifestations of her psychosis. The involvement of her religion in her delusions, I suppose, could be the only point of interest for some jury members...

Look, I respect a lot of your posts in many threads as being well-reasoned and informative and down-right clever, but here I feel that you are seriously constricting the range of this discussion.

Originally posted by fever red
Look, I respect a lot of your posts in many threads as being well-reasoned and informative and down-right clever, but here I feel that you are seriously constricting the range of this discussion.

You are right. I am. Everyone is allowed to become disillusioned. However, if you look at my post in regards to the post I was answering, then it makes a little more sense. Using things like the inquisition and crusades are relevant.

While they might be outmoded, they still exist as examples. To deny that would be like saying that the holocaust sholdn't be held against the Nazis. And while there should come a point where the past is forgotten, some things don't change.

This woman cut off her babies arms. To get her out of this situation, her lawyers will use every precedent in the book. And while she hasn't come out and said that God told her to do it, she will. I can almost assure you of that fact. I wish I was wrong. I wish I could still believe in God. But, life has taught me otherwise.

Instead of ending religion and all I say we build a time machine, and whenever things like this happen, we can go back in time with an automatic weapon and kill the wrong doer.

This woman is psychotic, very likely.
__That will be her defense- that in a delusional state, she believed that it was the right thing to do. The context in which it was right may involve religious delusions, sure. It could also have been her dead grandmother, a movie star, the aliens...it probably was God, but that doesn't mean religion caused this event. Psychosis has a physiological basis. It's inheritable, some forms- I think Schizophrenia is one disease that involves delusional states and is inheritable.
__Yes, religion can f~ck up people's lives and the way they relate to others. All kinds of philosophical systems can do that.
__And I'm NOT all, rah-rah, Christian community. I'm actually a bit especially critical of the way I see that community handle mental illness. I'm also critical of how our society as a whole handles mental illness.
__At a church in my city, a pastor held down an autistic child during a marathon "exorcism," and did so in such a brutal fashion that the child died, suffocated. I think he ended up convicted of murder. I recall being almost satisfied with the severity of the conviction. That guy wasn't psychotic. He was more than a little evil.
__In my city, more brutal things are done to children every day outside of the context of religion.
__I like to tell people I live inside a glass box in Ravencroft, untroubled by society's ugliness because I have no love for my fellow beings, and place no value on human life...but I only wish (no, but I wish I wished...well, no, but I wish I wished I wished). Nice escapism, however. Pick up a Kasady comic! It's quite like a vacation.
__One thing we can do to alleviate some suffering, is care about/for the mentally ill, and take responsibility for them.
__You see, we've got this thing, a social contract- and I've read the fine print.
__Kasady, on the other hand, wiped his @ss with it. Well, we all have freedom of choice.

__At a church in my city, a pastor held down an autistic child during a marathon "exorcism," and did so in such a brutal fashion that the child died, suffocated. I think he ended up convicted of murder. I recall being almost satisfied with the severity of the conviction. That guy wasn't psychotic. He was more than a little evil.

Well, thats what I was going for with "evil."

Evil sounds so...puny in comparison. Something more descriptive is needed. Hmm...meh, I don't know.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
This is twisted and all, but i must say, it would really take some balls to cut off a babies arms.

How could you say that?

THats just sick 😘

Originally posted by Little_unicorn
How could you say that?

Originally posted by eleveninches
THats just sick 😘

No, that was funny as hell. I'm not kidding, I laughed for hours over that one.

AFro cheese: you are correct everyone deserves a fair trial and everyone deserves to be defended.
FEVER RED: where have you read that this woman is a Christian????

Christian: means christ like (your actions, attitude) # Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
# Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus teachings.
# Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
# Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.
# Showing a loving concern for others; human
it doesn't mean Catholic, or pentecostal, of baptist, or Assemble of God, or Church of God, ect..... You can go to any of these churches and still be a Christian, but just becuz you attend one of these churches don't mean that you are. It's how you live your life. You can believe in God, and still not be a Christian.
If the woman says, God told her to do it, doesn't meant HE told her too. Thats not what a Christian is.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
No, that was funny as hell. I'm not kidding, I laughed for hours over that one.

Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
AFro cheese: you are correct everyone deserves a fair trial and everyone deserves to be defended.
FEVER RED: where have you read that this woman is a Christian????

Christian: means christ like (your actions, attitude) # Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
# Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus teachings.
# Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
# Relating to or characteristic of Christianity or its adherents.
# Showing a loving concern for others; human
it doesn't mean Catholic, or pentecostal, of baptist, or Assemble of God, or Church of God, ect..... You can go to any of these churches and still be a Christian, but just becuz you attend one of these churches don't mean that you are. It's how you live your life. You can believe in God, and still not be a Christian.
If the woman says, God told her to do it, doesn't meant HE told her too. Thats not what a Christian is.

__I understand that it doesn't mean that God told her to do it, just because she heard him tell her to do it. It means she's psychotic.
__I believe psychotic humans ARE human, and I think they can be Christian, can "...[Profess] belief in Jesus as Christ..." In fact, they can do all the things on that list. They can also fail, in our eyes, to do those things, while in their eyes they are accomplishing them. You see, they do not share our collective perception of reality. Their delusions are reality to them.
__I'm sorry, I'll try to find the article. I read it days ago, and as it is an early article, it may not be accurate. The next round of articles to come out will involve more details.
__The article did not state that she was psychotic during her actions, but it did state that she had shown past evidence of delusional states, had been hospitalized for them, and that her actions, in one Doctor's opinion, suggested a specialized thinking related to a psychotic delusion.
__Could be she's very in touch with reality as we know it.

Originally posted by naybean
i felt really bad afterwards but the baby in the microwave one had me in stitches. i still laugh when i think bout it 😮