Naybean: How do you know that every other day of the year that woman didnt do all of the above? I mean i dont know that she did but she could have lived her life in a true christian fashion up until the point where she went mad! You cant claim shes not a christian because she did one act. you dont know what was going through her head or what happened that day exactly. At the same time i do agree that people cant assume shes christian just because she was playing a hymn in the background.
For one thing, as you have pointed out here at the end of your post, we don't know if she was a christain. But I can say her actions, state otherwise, and going to church does NOT make you a christain. If they were christains why would the dad, not call the Pastor, Priest, friend in the church for help, someone from the church?? No, instead he ask the day care to call and check on his wife, odd that he did that. If he thought something was wrng, why didn't he stay w/her or call some family members.
maybe he was working to feed the family? You cant judge a persons entire life on one incident. Why would he call the priest if he thought the kids were at the daycare centre? surely that would be the sensible place to call first. What could the priest have done about it? almost nothing. If there were other incidents he should have got her councilling and stuff but healing the mentally ill is not something any priest i know can do. Maybe he didnt feel comfortable telling the priest. Everything you can say about this subject is circumstancial. Nothing is definate other than the fact that a woman cut off her kids arms.
Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
For one thing, as you have pointed out here at the end of your post, we don't know if she was a christain. But I can say her actions, state otherwise, and going to church does NOT make you a christain. If they were christains why would the dad, not call the Pastor, Priest, friend in the church for help, someone from the church?? No, instead he ask the day care to call and check on his wife, odd that he did that. If he thought something was wrng, why didn't he stay w/her or call some family members.
No, I am not saying that christains do NO wrong, NO one is perfect. But I have a hard time believing anyone was a christain if they cut of BOTH arms of their baby. I mean, don't ya think the baby was screaming at the 1st cut??
Naybean: you need the read the article on the 1st page. And yes it is all circumstancial.
So it depends on how bad the crime is to decide whether or not she can be a Christian? If that is the case, where is the line? Aren't all sins supposed to be forgivable? Where do you draw the line on how bad her crime could've been before you say "well she's not a christian because of that." I don't know if she was a Christian, cause the only thing I've read on this was the first post, but you also can't say she isn't a Christian just because she sinned. Being a Christian means believing in God and accepting Jesus, if she did both of those then she was a Christian whether she was crazy or not.
You can believe in Jesus and not be a christain. Sin is sin, and yes she can be forgiven, but what must someone do to be forgiven?? Ask!! When you ask for forgivness of your sins, you invite Jesus to come into your heart, does that mean you will never sin again?? NO, but it's what you do after you sin, God, knows your intentions. Can you plan to kill someone then say, God forgive me?? Now really, ya think God doesn't know your intentions?? We may not know, but God does.
obviously you don't know what it means to be a christain then. But thats your opinion, one I don't agree with. You have to have faith in God, believe that Jesus died on the cross, rose on the 3 rd day, confess your sins and live for God. A person must be Christ like, not saying christains don't mess up, cuz WE all do, but you must truly repent of your sins, God knows if you are really sorry or not.
Originally posted by Mane
That's stereotyping saying that all Christian people are killers. Muslims have killed thousands more of their own and others than other "religious" people, yet I hear nothing of them; Just Christian-bashing.
Christians did far more than Muslims a long time ago. And still are, just us lovely westerners are better at hiding it. At least Muslims have material causes, unlike the crusades - "Lets take back a city that we never owned, because we think we have the right!"