Originally posted by Mr Zero
My point being they have targeted EVERYONE at some point or another, so i dont see parker/stone as racist, I see them as filled with contempt for the world as a whole: A philosophy I can get behind!The thing about racist humor is that is makes racism acceptable. I don't feel able to make the distinction between 2 liberals laughing archly at a jew joke and two nazis laughing at the same gag. So i err on the side of caution.
I'm not saying everyone who makes or laughs at racist humor IS a racist, i'm just saying they aren't part of the solution. If they are happy with that - so am I: but I wont be in the same room as them.
There are jokes out there about everyone as well. So if a person makes jokes race related AND jokes about other things that aren't race related their racial jokes are okay because they've also made jokes about other topics? Am I missing something? Trey and Matts jokes that target specific minority groups are acceptable just because they also at other times have targeted other things?
Most good humored racial jokes don't endorse racism, they endorse recognize the common differences between different groups of people and laughing and accepting those differences. The fact is, alot of black people act different then most white people, most asian people act different then most mexican people, most mexican people act different then arabian people, there's nothing wrong with acknowledging these differences with simple jokes poking fun at the differences and bringing them to light.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Goddamn. Jokes are jokes. When something is funny, laugh at it. Humor is there to point out absurdities of every kind, whether they are political stereotypical, or otherwise. I hear jokes about hispanics every day, but I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE JOKES. They make jokes about me and I joke about others. Who cares? Live a little for ****'s sake. Words are words. They aren't bullets, they aren't chainsaws, they shouldn't be offensive.Humor is there to make people laugh. Unfortunately, there's always someone who finds something "wrong" with the damn joke and they go and ruin the fun.
Here here!!
As a mexican comedian once said
There is too much politcal correctness in this country. You see guy's, thats what comedy is. Its making fun of people. Politicians, races, individuals, and so on. If I can't laugh, cause someone might be "offended", then screw them. Cause you know what, if I cant laugh, I'm gunna be depressed. Everything has to be in order in this country. Even this. I end with a big joke, you laugh, clap, I say goodnight, you go home feeling good. But that aint life my freinds. And you, and you, and you, and you, you all gotta realize something. That sometimes...just sometimes....you gotta let go.
And I ditto him.
Originally posted by BackFireRacism is racism, jokes are jokes, there are differences between someone making a good hearted joke about a silly jewish stereotype that is harmless and skinheads passing out hate flyers, they are only related in the fact that they both have to do with race. However, a racial joke isn't meant to actually put down another race (usually), it's meant in good fun and humor.
Someone calling anyone who makes a good humored joke about a race a racist is just silly, and false, and bullshit, and stupid, and idiotic and shameful and funny to the point of being pathetic. If that person who told the joke goes to a KKK rally after telling the joke, then call them racist. If we can't laugh at our own differences, then what can we laugh at?
You know, i cant take any of that into consideration or seriously, after I have seen at what picture you have laughed at and ultemately gave your support to yesterday. Im not Middle Eastern, but i was offended.
And its not silly or bullshit! its absolutely not - racist jokes are there to make recism seem as something thats funny and acceptable - oh its ok to be racist, its ok to comdem people for being different to us - its ok - as long as you make it a joke.
See, thats bullshit!
"And its not silly or bullshit! its absolutely not - racist jokes are there to make recism seem as something thats funny and acceptable - oh its ok to be racist, its ok to comdem people for being different to us - its ok - as long as you make it a joke."
You're right, that comment you wrote is bullshit as is the idea you're portraying. Because that's what very very few people think of when they say those jokes. no one is laughing at racism when they tell a good humored joke about a particular race or ethnicity. It's not like they're saying "yeah, funny joke huh? Lets go kill mexicans now!". Most of the time it's just in good fun, and it isn't untill stupid people blow it out of proportion that it becomes a problem and looked at as more then it actually is - a joke.
Making a joke about a persons difference is not condemning it, holy hell, it's a joke, it's laughing at the differences different people have, it's bringing them out in a POSITIVE manner. It's not condemning it or showing it in a negative light, it's making it FUNNY.
Again, I ask you, are the creators of The Simpsons, South Park and Family guy all racist too you because they make jokes dealing with race, ethnicity and religion? I'm willing to bet you're going to say "no". Because you find it funny when THEY do it, but as soon as someone says a joke that YOU don't like it's fair to falsely JUDGE them as a racist because, oh, they laughed at something you deem offensive, so it's okay to blindly insult them and say they're racist, and it's not okay for them to object to such idiocy on your part because again, they laughed at a joke you didn't like.
Damn them all for having a sense of humor.
Oh, and what does you being or not being middle eastern have to do with you getting offended by the gag you're reffering too? It wasn't even a joke about middle easterners.
Originally posted by naybean
Everywhere in Englands got rascism of some kind. infact i doubt you could find an area without a rascist person in it. Race jokes are ok if they are told as a joke and not meant derrogatively. Theres a difference between metelling my black friend a joke about black people and having a laugh and someone walking into a BNP pub and saying the same joke.What gets me is if ecery race is equal why is it ok to have programs like 100 greatest blacks in history yet not have 100 greatest whites or 100 greatest Chinese people? If everyones equal shouldnt it be 100 greatest people in history? If we keep on putting people into categories then we're saying theres a difference between them but its difficult not to.
Like that episode of South Park where the town flag was of the white guys lynching the black guy and the kids did a debate on it in school and one group didn't even notice that they guy was black and thought it was stupid that they were trying to ban it and the other thought it was the most racist piece of trash they had ever seen and... j00 know what I'm talking about. 😐
Originally posted by Darth Revan
Like that episode of South Park where the town flag was of the white guys lynching the black guy and the kids did a debate on it in school and one group didn't even notice that they guy was black and thought it was stupid that they were trying to ban it and the other thought it was the most racist piece of trash they had ever seen and... j00 know what I'm talking about. 😐
How ironic, I just watched that episode last night. Good stuff.
Originally posted by FeceMan
So, what you are saying is that we should ban all jokes about human beings because almost all of them are underlining differences between us. No more blond jokes, no more "your mother is so fat" jokes (heh, my grammar made that joke not worth telling), no more anything that could poke fun at humans?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Number one, banning something isnt going to stop people from doing it /saying it. People need to change their attitude and not allow those kind of jokes!Minorty or majorty makes absolutely NO differance!! It still udnerlines the differances between us and support the fact that its funny to make a joke based on skin colour, creed or nationality!! Are you not reading my posts?
Read the thread before you start bleating like a lost sheep - already adressed the issue.
Originally posted by BackFire
"And its not silly or bullshit! its absolutely not - racist jokes are there to make recism seem as something thats funny and acceptable - oh its ok to be racist, its ok to comdem people for being different to us - its ok - as long as you make it a joke."You're right, that comment you wrote is bullshit as is the idea you're portraying. Because that's what very very few people think of when they say those jokes. no one is laughing at racism when they tell a good humored joke about a particular race or ethnicity. It's not like they're saying "yeah, funny joke huh? Lets go kill mexicans now!". Most of the time it's just in good fun, and it isn't untill stupid people blow it out of proportion that it becomes a problem and looked at as more then it actually is - a joke.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BackFire
[B]Making a joke about a persons difference is not condemning it, holy hell, it's a joke, it's laughing at the differences different people have, it's bringing them out in a POSITIVE manner. It's not condemning it or showing it in a negative light, it's making it FUNNY.Oh, I think you're wrong - and that was shown yesterday in the thread - you alughed and supported a tateless picture which was basically
Again, I ask you, are the creators of The Simpsons, South Park and Family guy all racist too you because they make jokes dealing with race, ethnicity and religion? I'm willing to bet you're going to say "no". Because you find it funny when THEY do it, but as soon as someone says a joke that YOU don't like it's fair to falsely JUDGE them as a racist because, oh, they laughed at something you deem offensive, so it's okay to blindly insult them and say they're racist, and it's not okay for them to object to such idiocy on your part because again, they laughed at a joke you didn't like.
Damn them all for having a sense of humor.
Oh, and what does you being or not being middle eastern have to do with you getting offended by the gag you're reffering too? It wasn't even a joke about middle easterners.
You know whats really worrying - that there are people out there who have the attitude you do - and all other ones who have posted in this thread with the ''yeah lets have racist jokes''
You are approving racism - you have nothing else to say. Your points are not valid - they are all mindeless blealing about ''its funny lets laugh at it'' - thats all your argumens are about. Its simple to you - and in reality, it hardly is so.
Discrimination, racism or prejudice of any kind are repulsive in people.
There is a clear difference between the use humor as social commentary, which presents the incongruity between perception and actuality and the absurdity of stereotypes, and humor at the expense of others, which presents a group of people as inferior, base, or worthless. Speech, including humor, is the expression of personal thoughts. Likewise, one cannot find humor at the expense of a group of people to be entertaining unless he, knowingly or unknowingly, holds similar attitudes or beliefs about that group.
You know, i cant take any of that into consideration or seriously, after I have seen at what picture you have laughed at and ultemately gave your support to yesterday. Im not Middle Eastern, but i was offended.
You're joking, right? I mean, because, what with the...you know, the planes crashing into the World Trade Center and the explosions and the people dying and the making light of it...and you're worried about BEING OF MIDDLE EASTERN DESCENT?
Seriously.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Discrimination, racism or prejudice of any kind are repulsive in people.
Thatsright lil. People. Humans. With flaws. One of those flaws is, I'm afraid, the natural reaction to laugh at the expense of others. Don't deny that you've ever done it, because we've all laughed at someone who's tripped and fallen. The expense of others includes races. And wether you like it or not, most of comedy is based around race pregdeses (I cant speel), just right now, I'm watching Friday Night stand-up, listening to a black guy make fun of white people, because they walk right towards a gunshot. And I'm laughing. You know why? Cause its funny, cause its true. Most white people not from the city have no real common sense. I can admit that. Thats what comedy is all about. The ability to laugh at yourself.
Obviously, lil, you do not have that ability.
Re: Jokes about Minorities...
Originally posted by Samurai Guy
[b]DO NOT POST A JOKE IN THIS THREAD! That will get this thread closed, and that is bad. This is to debate whether or not jokes of the aforementioned nature are a form of racism.I personally feel they are not. I have asked around, as this debate was getting interesting, and those who I questioned said, "No, they are just for fun. They make me laugh."
I asked my brother, and he replied in kind, stating furthermore "Some of the best 'Black' jokes were told to me by my black friends."
Rebuttle, anyone?
I apologize if anyone is offended by me referring to coloured/african american/etc. as black. [/B]
Well....I think it's just for fun. My husband gets on to me cause I make jokes about other denominations but i'm just kidding around, and baptist say them about us too LOL A very good friend of mine is Baptist, she told me a bunch LOL I just laughed.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Goddamn. Jokes are jokes. When something is funny, laugh at it. Humor is there to point out absurdities of every kind, whether they are political stereotypical, or otherwise. I hear jokes about hispanics every day, but I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE JOKES. They make jokes about me and I joke about others. Who cares? Live a little for ****'s sake. Words are words. They aren't bullets, they aren't chainsaws, they shouldn't be offensive.Humor is there to make people laugh. Unfortunately, there's always someone who finds something "wrong" with the damn joke and they go and ruin the fun.
i couldn't have worded that better, i completely agree with this statement.
if people just take a pinch of salt with what they hear, they might actually enjoy themselves, thats right, they might actually have fun and laugh.
a joke is a joke, and most people can tell the difference, it seems some people on here cant.
it all depends on the context of the joke and the joke itself u cant label all race jokes racist jokes. It all depends on the situation surrounding it. I wouldnt post a joke bout race on here because i dont know who will read it and yes it might offend someone so its considerate to keep those kind of jokes between you and people you know will have a laugh about it. If you dont know somebody well enough to know whether it would offend them or not its not worth it saying it to them.
Originally posted by frodo34xNo. It's OK for a fat guy to jokingly talk about him being fat, but if you go up to him and say "your so fat! ha ha" you've just crossed the line from joking to insulting.
If it's OK for black men to make n***** jokes, but not white men, isnt that a form of racial discrimination?